Re: Graduation Options (was Re: [PROPOSAL] Updated Tiles Graduation Proposal)

2006-11-29 Thread Antonio Petrelli
Greg Reddin ha scritto: It would make sense to bring Dimensions and Scopes into a Tiles project. They deal directly with Tiles. Sorry to contradict you, but only Dimensions deal directly with Tiles, Scopes is only Servlet-dependent. Antonio

Re: Graduation Options (was Re: [PROPOSAL] Updated Tiles Graduation Proposal)

2006-11-29 Thread Antonio Petrelli
David H. DeWolf ha scritto: Ok, I'm convinced. I'm on board with a Tiles TLP. This morning (remember I am in Italy :-) ) I read all the new messages and I am convinced too. Anyway the concept of forming a website for web-related stuff, from my POV, should not be discarded. The big problem

Re: Graduation Options (was Re: [PROPOSAL] Updated Tiles Graduation Proposal)

2006-11-29 Thread David H. DeWolf
Greg Reddin wrote: On Nov 28, 2006, at 1:48 PM, David H. DeWolf wrote: And, who's volunteering to Chair? Perhaps it goes without saying, but the chair is actually appointed by the ASF board, we can only make a suggestion. Though, it probably doesn't make sense to propose the TLP if we

Re: Graduation Options (was Re: [PROPOSAL] Updated Tiles Graduation Proposal)

2006-11-29 Thread Ted Husted
On 11/29/06, Greg Reddin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I'm not sure of is whether there are any prequalifications for being a chair, for example, does a chair already have to be an ASF member or a PMC member of an Apache project? Or is it basically whoever the board wants to appoint? It can

Graduation Options (was Re: [PROPOSAL] Updated Tiles Graduation Proposal)

2006-11-28 Thread David H. DeWolf
Greg Reddin wrote: Since we've failed to build consensus, I've published a versioned snapshot that will have to suffice for 2.0.2 and I will begin to drive the effort for TLP :( - it's not my preference but it will have to work. Hang on, slow down just a bit :-) Before we jump off the

Re: Graduation Options (was Re: [PROPOSAL] Updated Tiles Graduation Proposal)

2006-11-28 Thread Antonio Petrelli
David H. DeWolf ha scritto: 2) Apache Web Components TLP - What components will make up this list? Who needs to be involved in the discussion? What's the process to proceed? This is my preference. I think the next steps would be to follow up with the other potential projects to see if

Re: Graduation Options (was Re: [PROPOSAL] Updated Tiles Graduation Proposal)

2006-11-28 Thread David H. DeWolf
Antonio Petrelli wrote: David H. DeWolf ha scritto: 2) Apache Web Components TLP - What components will make up this list? Who needs to be involved in the discussion? What's the process to proceed? This is my preference. I think the next steps would be to follow up with the other

Re: Graduation Options (was Re: [PROPOSAL] Updated Tiles Graduation Proposal)

2006-11-28 Thread Greg Reddin
On Nov 28, 2006, at 9:46 AM, David H. DeWolf wrote: 3) Apache Tiles TLP - Seems we could do this here and now and submit a proposal to the board. Who else should we bring into the discussion? Doable, and probably the easiest to get going - but also the hardest to maintain. It doesn't

Re: Graduation Options (was Re: [PROPOSAL] Updated Tiles Graduation Proposal)

2006-11-28 Thread David H. DeWolf
Greg Reddin wrote: On Nov 28, 2006, at 9:46 AM, David H. DeWolf wrote: 3) Apache Tiles TLP - Seems we could do this here and now and submit a proposal to the board. Who else should we bring into the discussion? Doable, and probably the easiest to get going - but also the hardest to

Re: Graduation Options (was Re: [PROPOSAL] Updated Tiles Graduation Proposal)

2006-11-28 Thread Antonio Petrelli
Greg Reddin ha scritto: There's a lot of people who *use* Tiles, but how many of them are legacy users who don't want to grow with it? How many of them will be contributors? Well, it's under our nose: how many Struts users are contributors? Currently Struts is a worldwide project deployed in

Re: Graduation Options (was Re: [PROPOSAL] Updated Tiles Graduation Proposal)

2006-11-28 Thread Greg Reddin
But we still get a lot of questions about Tiles and Nathan's point about users being contributers is valid. Perhaps some of them will step forward and contribute patches as they see the need. The need will be way more apparent in a TLP with a small focused community. Greg On Nov 28,

Re: Graduation Options (was Re: [PROPOSAL] Updated Tiles Graduation Proposal)

2006-11-28 Thread Greg Reddin
On Nov 28, 2006, at 9:46 AM, David H. DeWolf wrote: Greg Reddin wrote: Here's the viable choices as I see them: 1) Jakarta Web Components Subproject - What components will make up this list? Who all needs to be involved in the discussion? I'm not inclined to follow this path as Jakarta

Re: Graduation Options (was Re: [PROPOSAL] Updated Tiles Graduation Proposal)

2006-11-28 Thread David H. DeWolf
Greg Reddin wrote: 2) Apache Web Components TLP - What components will make up this list? Who needs to be involved in the discussion? What's the process to proceed? This is my preference. I think the next steps would be to follow up with the other potential projects to see if they are

Re: Graduation Options (was Re: [PROPOSAL] Updated Tiles Graduation Proposal)

2006-11-28 Thread Nathan Bubna
On 11/28/06, David H. DeWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Perhaps I'm looking at this too selfishly, but I'm thinking that if nothing else the teams can help each other with the infrastructure and burden of being a TLP. For example: - Moderating Mail Lists - Board Reports - Managing Jira -

Re: Graduation Options (was Re: [PROPOSAL] Updated Tiles Graduation Proposal)

2006-11-28 Thread David H. DeWolf
Ok, I'm convinced. I'm on board with a Tiles TLP. If someone doesn't beat me to it, I'll go ahead and write something up on the wiki. David Nathan Bubna wrote: On 11/28/06, David H. DeWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Perhaps I'm looking at this too selfishly, but I'm thinking that if

Re: Graduation Options (was Re: [PROPOSAL] Updated Tiles Graduation Proposal)

2006-11-28 Thread Greg Reddin
On Nov 28, 2006, at 1:19 PM, David H. DeWolf wrote: Ok, I'm convinced. I'm on board with a Tiles TLP. If someone doesn't beat me to it, I'll go ahead and write something up on the wiki. I'm still thinking but close :-) Would the current TLP proposal suffice? What about other

Re: Graduation Options (was Re: [PROPOSAL] Updated Tiles Graduation Proposal)

2006-11-28 Thread David H. DeWolf
Greg Reddin wrote: On Nov 28, 2006, at 1:19 PM, David H. DeWolf wrote: Ok, I'm convinced. I'm on board with a Tiles TLP. If someone doesn't beat me to it, I'll go ahead and write something up on the wiki. I'm still thinking but close :-) Would the current TLP proposal suffice? Good.

Re: Graduation Options (was Re: [PROPOSAL] Updated Tiles Graduation Proposal)

2006-11-28 Thread Wendy Smoak
On 11/28/06, Greg Reddin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about other people? Are David Geary and Matthias Wessendorf listening? They were on the original TLP and might be interested in joining the project. Craig also indicated his interest. Wendy? You're on every other apache project, might

Re: Graduation Options (was Re: [PROPOSAL] Updated Tiles Graduation Proposal)

2006-11-28 Thread Greg Reddin
On Nov 28, 2006, at 1:48 PM, David H. DeWolf wrote: Greg Reddin wrote: On Nov 28, 2006, at 1:19 PM, David H. DeWolf wrote: Ok, I'm convinced. I'm on board with a Tiles TLP. If someone doesn't beat me to it, I'll go ahead and write something up on the wiki. I'm still thinking but close

Re: Graduation Options (was Re: [PROPOSAL] Updated Tiles Graduation Proposal)

2006-11-28 Thread David H. DeWolf
Greg Reddin wrote: On Nov 28, 2006, at 1:48 PM, David H. DeWolf wrote: Greg Reddin wrote: On Nov 28, 2006, at 1:19 PM, David H. DeWolf wrote: Ok, I'm convinced. I'm on board with a Tiles TLP. If someone doesn't beat me to it, I'll go ahead and write something up on the wiki. I'm still

Re: Graduation Options (was Re: [PROPOSAL] Updated Tiles Graduation Proposal)

2006-11-28 Thread Greg Reddin
On Nov 28, 2006, at 1:48 PM, David H. DeWolf wrote: And, who's volunteering to Chair? Perhaps it goes without saying, but the chair is actually appointed by the ASF board, we can only make a suggestion. I went digging for some information about the role of a chair and found these: