Re: Prioritizing ~/.local/bin over /usr/bin on the PATH

On 18 June 2018 at 11:27, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 11:13:39PM +0100, Ian Malone wrote: >> On 16 June 2018 at 13:50, Björn Persson wrote: >> > Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: >> >> On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 at 23:21, Björn Persson wrote: &

Re: Prioritizing ~/.local/bin over /usr/bin on the PATH

On 18 June 2018 at 00:49, Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: > On Sun, 17 Jun 2018 at 23:23, Ian Malone wrote: > [..] >> Well, two things: >> >> 1. For example, a kiosk mode, where the home directory is wiped each >> login would be made less secure. The profile for the GUI

Re: Prioritizing ~/.local/bin over /usr/bin on the PATH

On 16 June 2018 at 13:50, Björn Persson wrote: > Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: >> On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 at 23:21, Björn Persson wrote: >> [..] >> > Don't forget that if your proof of concept can be modified to either >> > overwrite or append to ~/.bashrc, then it's irrelevant to this debate. >> >> before

Re: A less "bloated" KDE spin

On 11 September 2017 at 14:19, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Richard W.M. Jones > wrote: >> >> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 07:17:56PM -0400, Gerald Henriksen wrote: >> > While you (and others) may well know the name of the software you

troubleshooting wireless network issue

Does anyone have suggestions on troubleshooting an issue with apparently intermittent wifi on Fedora after upgrade to 25? The machine is working okay in its location on windows and was okay on F22, and other devices are alright on the access point. The networkmanager status (KDE) doesn't show the

Re: Proposal: Rethink Fedora multilib support (Take Two!)

On 10 January 2017 at 10:08, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 01/08/2017 01:52 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> >> Brendan Conoboy wrote: >>> >>> Enhancing interoperability increases the reach of Fedora and doesn't >>> require a bit of compromise on the the Freedom principle. >> >> >>

Re: Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

On 15 October 2016 at 23:38, Matěj Cepl <mc...@cepl.eu> wrote: > On 2016-10-15, 21:55 GMT, Ian Malone wrote: > to be one Red Hat employee who did a lot of TeXLive maintenance > (not much how much in his free time), but he is gone from Red > Hat and now the main maintainer is s

Re: Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

On 15 October 2016 at 20:58, Tomasz Kłoczko <kloczko.tom...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 15 October 2016 at 12:55, Ian Malone <ibmal...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > What was scarry 9 years ago now is even more scary today. >> > Will try to present you what is

Re: Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

On 15 October 2016 at 00:03, Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: >> "TeX live is maintained IMO by real MORONS." > >> is what you wrote. > > Yes it is. > > Probably you never had occasion to have closer look what exactly is > maintained in texlive source tree. > I had fist time been

Re: F24, small backward steps

On 13 September 2016 at 21:24, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On 13 September 2016 at 16:03, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > OK this is the most frustrating of a TON of frustrating parts of this > conversation. > > 1. WHY DO WE SHIP PACKAGES THAT WE 'KNOW'

Re: PATH contains at build time

On 3 February 2016 at 14:35, Petr Pisar wrote: > On 2016-02-02, Florian Weimer wrote: >> May packages assume that /usr/sbin is on PATH when they are built? >> >> If you need a program which is currently only in /usr/sbin, should a >> package use an absolute

Re: On packager motivation

On 3 February 2016 at 23:00, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Really, it is not realistic to expect people who need to urgently fix > something to write up a polite e-mail and wait possibly days for you to > reply (especially if you then answer that you don't want the change and

Re: Self-Reintroduction: DJ Delorie

On 28 Jan 2016 19:42, "DJ Delorie" wrote: > > > I've been around for a while, but as I'm taking on a new role inside > Red Hat, I'll be showing up in different places here and upstream, so > I figured I'd refresh everyone's memory as well as announce the change :-) > Meanwhile,

Re: Should 'dnf install gtk3-devel.i686' work?

On 22 January 2016 at 09:05, Paul Howarth <p...@city-fan.org> wrote: > On 21/01/16 22:24, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> Since RHEL/CentOS 7 already does not exist in a native 32bit version I >> do wonder what would actually be running in a hypothetical >> mock/con

Re: Should 'dnf install gtk3-devel.i686' work?

On 22 January 2016 at 13:38, Josh Boyer <jwbo...@fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:53 AM, Ian Malone <ibmal...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 22 January 2016 at 09:05, Paul Howarth <p...@city-fan.org> wrote: >>> On 21/01/16 22:24, Ian Malone

Re: Should 'dnf install gtk3-devel.i686' work?

On 21 January 2016 at 09:10, Yanko Kaneti wrote: > On Wed, 2016-01-20 at 15:50 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >> If you're on freshly installed Fedora 23 (x86-64), then >> >> dnf install gtk3-devel.x86_64 >> .. >> >> Is this a bug or is it not expected this would work

Re: Should 'dnf install gtk3-devel.i686' work?

On 21 January 2016 at 14:25, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > However I really think we need to sit down and rethink multilib. I would like > to start by changing the multilib method to runtime. So you only get runtime > libraries and nothing to build 32 bit apps on 64 bit. For 32 bit

Re: Should 'dnf install gtk3-devel.i686' work?

On 21 January 2016 at 15:15, Josh Boyer <jwbo...@fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Ian Malone <ibmal...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 21 January 2016 at 14:25, Dennis Gilmore <den...@ausil.us> wrote: >> >>> >>> However I re

Re: dnf still is unuseable

On 18 January 2016 at 01:32, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 12:55:54AM +0100, Heiko Adams wrote: >> But it seems to be broken since Feb 2015, which is IMHO unacceptable >> since a default package manager and all of its features have to work >>

Re: kmods and Fedora

On 14 January 2016 at 19:29, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > > On Jan 14, 2016 9:34 AM, "Nicolas Chauvet" wrote: >> >> 2016-01-14 18:05 GMT+01:00 Neal Gompa : >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Reindl Harald >>>

Re: Stop please

On 8 January 2016 at 12:02, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Samuel Sieb writes: > >> On 01/07/2016 08:34 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: >>> >>> I decided I would instruct Byron in how to unsubscribe from our mailing >>> list, when I discovered *I don't know how.* >>> >>> It seems

Re: wayland in rawhide

On 30 November 2015 at 12:29, Steve Clark <scl...@netwolves.com> wrote: > On 11/26/2015 06:32 AM, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> On 25 November 2015 at 22:01, Adam Williamson >> <adamw...@fedoraproject.org> wrote: >> >>> The wiki page explaining the GNOM

Re: wayland in rawhide

oraproject.org> wrote: >> > > On Fri, 2015-11-20 at 14:34 +, Ian Malone wrote: >> > > > [1] Apparently middle mouse buttons are rare. I'm in an office >> > > This seems an odd assertion [...] >> > Its not odd ... its plain wrong. >> >

Re: wayland in rawhide

On 12 November 2015 at 14:59, Ray Strode wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 5:51 AM, Jared K. Smith > wrote: >> I've been testing Wayland myself since around the F22 time period, but >> "middle click paste" and the occasional odd bug keep

Re: On running gui applications as root

On 19 November 2015 at 03:18, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 03:09:34PM -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: >> To the bug in question: probably we should make it so 'sudo gedit' does >> work, but I'd still strongly discourage anyone from actually doing so. > >

Re: On running gui applications as root

On 19 November 2015 at 15:31, Adam Jackson <a...@redhat.com> wrote: > On Wed, 2015-11-18 at 21:45 +0000, Ian Malone wrote: > >> Not really getting this. For any configuration task where you replace >> editing a root owned text file with access through some authorised &

Re: On running gui applications as root

On 18 November 2015 at 20:24, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2015-11-18 at 15:09 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: >> On Wed, 2015-11-18 at 11:53 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: >> >> > I don't understand. If a user who has the right to act as root asks >> > to authorize a

Re: On running gui applications as root

On 18 November 2015 at 23:38, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 18.11.2015 um 19:49 schrieb Adam Jackson: >> >> On Tue, 2015-11-17 at 17:30 +, Andrew Haley wrote: >>> >>> On 11/02/2015 03:05 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: But, why take the risk exposure, when you could

Re: On running gui applications as root

On 18 November 2015 at 20:09, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Wed, 2015-11-18 at 11:53 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > >> I don't understand. If a user who has the right to act as root asks >> to authorize a program to run as root on their behalf, we should grant >> that request.

Re: Naming ANTs

On 2 November 2015 at 09:14, Igor Gnatenko wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm working on bringing libraries/tools for neuroscience and neuroimaging > into Fedora[0]. Now I'm packaging ANTs[1] (Advanced Normalization Tools > (ANTs)), but we already have package ants[2] (game).

Re: Packaging of PlayOnLinux

On 15 October 2015 at 06:55, drago01 wrote: > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: >> >> >> - Original Message - >>> Dne 14.10.2015 v 16:50 Bastien Nocera napsal(a): >>> > If the application cannot work without downloading

Re: Packaging of PlayOnLinux

On 15 October 2015 at 11:50, Petr Pisar wrote: > On 2015-10-14, Alexandre Moine wrote: >> But, we have to be very careful with this software since it downloads >> scripts and icons from the web (in the automated installer part)... >> And it can install for

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

On 12 October 2015 at 16:27, Kevin Kofler <kevin.kof...@chello.at> wrote: > Ian Malone wrote: >> Maybe there's some confusion about the point I was making. I'm >> referring to the case where the bundled library has functions that are >> no longer present in the fedora

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

On 11 October 2015 at 12:43, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Haïkel wrote: >> And what happens if the library is consumed by other packages >> requiring the new API? > > Of course you have to support both the new and the old one. > >> Let's keep Ian example: >> You keep the

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

On 8 October 2015 at 23:58, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Matthew Miller wrote: >> In many cases, this effectively means creating a Fedora-specfic fork of >> the project. > > Only if you call patches to the build system (with little to no changes to > the actual code) a "fork". >

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

On 14 September 2015 at 16:47, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > They simply have welcomed their new container overlords and are using only > the recommended upstream method for installing for their application ( > pip,gem etc since developers can use the upstream support

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

On 15 September 2015 at 10:11, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson <johan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 09/15/2015 08:41 AM, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> On 14 September 2015 at 16:47, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson <johan...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> They simply hav

Re: Fedora Ring 0 definition

On 7 September 2015 at 13:21, Miloslav Trmac wrote: > > Also, it seems to me that it would be useful to, at least conceptually, to > not think about Fedora as a self-hosting perpetual motion^Wrecompilation > machine, but as “just another huge application” being built using

Re: Fedora Jam not in nightly composes / F23 alpha or beta?

On 4 September 2015 at 11:17, Ian Malone <ibmal...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > It seems Fedora Jam is not included in current test composes for F23 > and is not being included in nightly composes > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/tasks?state=all=tree=livecd=-id > (not

Fedora Jam not in nightly composes / F23 alpha or beta?

Hi, It seems Fedora Jam is not included in current test composes for F23 and is not being included in nightly composes http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/tasks?state=all=tree=livecd=-id (not failing to build as Live Workstation is, simply not being included in attempted builds). I can't find any

Re: Is it time to allow Chromium in Fedora?

On 12 August 2015 at 09:33, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 12.08.2015 um 02:42 schrieb Thomas Daede: *if* you use binary tarballs they *should not* be extracted in a user writeable location as *no binary* whenever possible should have permissions allowing a ordinary user to

Re: Thunderbird-38.0.1 integrates lightning? Very disturbing!!

On 1 July 2015 at 14:02, Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 July 2015 at 12:14, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote: snip It appears to have broken the ability to install the gdata provider, at least when I installed a new F22 system at the weekend I found I couldn't install

Re: Thunderbird-38.0.1 integrates lightning? Very disturbing!!

On 30 June 2015 at 16:33, Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 June 2015 at 17:22, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 30.06.2015 um 17:02 schrieb Ahmad Samir: IIUC, what's happening here is that they bundle the extension with Thunderbird 38 so it's installed and

Re: Btrfs as default filesystem for Fedora 23?

On 24 June 2015 at 04:28, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky zn...@znmeb.net wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Neal Gompa ngomp...@gmail.com wrote: Certainly, but with none of the features in Btrfs actually emitting scary experimental warnings anymore, and even all features working in btrfs RAID

Re: [Bug 1201978] dracut assumes BIOS time is UTC closed without fixing again

On 27 April 2015 at 21:36, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Simon Farnsworth si...@farnz.org.uk wrote: Windows doesn't work fine with RTC in local time, unless you have one and only one Windows install on the system. If you (say) dual-boot Windows

Re: [Bug 1201978] dracut assumes BIOS time is UTC closed without fixing again

On 27 April 2015 at 06:47, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: Time in UTC is just as absurd and arbitrary as time in a local timezone, so if Windows is going to get berated for not dealing with UTC properly, then Fedora can be berated for not dealing with local time properly. Not

Re: [Bug 1201978] dracut assumes BIOS time is UTC closed without fixing again

On 27 April 2015 at 09:54, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 04/27/2015 09:34 AM, Ian Malone wrote: On 27 April 2015 at 06:47, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: Time in UTC is just as absurd and arbitrary as time in a local timezone, so if Windows is going to get berated

Re: Quick C++ question for C++ experts :)

On 1 April 2015 at 16:09, Jonathan Wakely jwak...@redhat.com wrote: On 01/04/15 15:16 +0100, Ian Malone wrote: Do you mind clarifying? I thought string should provide that http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/string/string/operator+/ or is that what fno-implicit-templates is turning off

Re: Quick C++ question for C++ experts :)

On 1 April 2015 at 14:32, Jonathan Wakely jwak...@redhat.com wrote: On 28/03/15 16:45 -0300, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: 2015-03-28 16:06 GMT-03:00 Paulo César Pereira de Andrade paulo.cesar.pereira.de.andr...@gmail.com: Is this expected to not compile with -fno-implicit-templates?

Re: [Proposal] Ring-based Packaging Policies

On 13 February 2015 at 13:06, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 16:49:13 -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On Thu, 2015-02-12 at 20:18 +0100, Alec Leamas wrote: On 12/02/15 19:32, Stephen Gallagher wrote: (Logistical note: please keep all replies to this thread

Re: How to become a packager (was: Re: [Proposal] Ring-based Packaging Policies)

On 13 February 2015 at 15:35, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 14:00:07 +, Ian Malone wrote: Actually, a question I have about this is how it will impact people trying to become maintainers. When I last checked (it may have changed) the only way to do

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

On 27 January 2015 at 19:10, Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@nist.gov wrote: On 01/27/2015 07:03 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: All those are warnings, not garbage or debug output. File bugs about those, there should be zero warnings in normal usage. Shouldn't they trigger abrt then? more

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

On 14 January 2015 at 14:31, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 05:53:23 + (UTC) P J P pj.pan...@yahoo.co.in wrote: IMO, the ones opposing are those who fear their current setups/practices would break. Because they need remote 'root' access in their set-up. Which is a

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

On 30 December 2014 at 01:26, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Ian Malone wrote: Minor correction, CentOS is unbranded RHEL and Fedora is not RHEL upstream (so far as I am aware anyway). That is incorrect. Fedora is upstream for RHEL

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

On 30 December 2014 at 13:13, Emmanuel Seyman emman...@seyman.fr wrote: * Ian Malone [30/12/2014 13:09] : On 30 December 2014 at 01:26, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: That is incorrect. Fedora is upstream for RHEL and therefore upstream for CentOS as well albeit, one step

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

On 27 December 2014 at 21:53, Adam Williamson adamw...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Sat, 2014-12-27 at 15:57 +0200, Alexander Ploumistos wrote: Actually we do have a VLTS (Very Long Term Support) release, CentOS, especially now that they've joined the family, but the connection is not

Re: Poll: How users use DNF

On 9 December 2014 at 17:28, Radek Holy rh...@redhat.com wrote: Dear users of YUM and DNF, I'm writing to you regarding a request for your feedback. I would be very grateful if you could send me a brief description of how you use YUM or DNF currently or how would you like to use it. I am

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

On 10 December 2014 at 00:43, Bastien Nocera bnoc...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - On 9 December 2014 at 13:47, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 01:11:33PM +, Ian Malone wrote: have a proposal for a new spin focused on privacy

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

: On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 01:11:33PM +, Ian Malone wrote: have a proposal for a new spin focused on privacy and security — the Netizen Spin. (If you're interested, I think that could use additional contributors.) I was under the impression spins were to be phased out. I could

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

On 9 December 2014 at 11:35, Michael Catanzaro mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: On Mon, 2014-12-08 at 10:49 -0500, Bastien Nocera wrote: If Reindl, Kevin or Tomas want to disagree with that, I'll give you a little exercise: Having just installed and updated my Fedora 20, I want to share a video

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

On 8 December 2014 at 15:33, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 02:31:58PM +, Ian Malone wrote: There are three products: workstation, server, cloud. Workstation is the one for desktop use. That leaves server to aim for the traditional fedora user base

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

On 9 December 2014 at 13:47, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 01:11:33PM +, Ian Malone wrote: have a proposal for a new spin focused on privacy and security — the Netizen Spin. (If you're interested, I think that could use additional contributors

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

On 8 December 2014 at 08:38, Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org wrote: On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 07:41:52 +0100 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Hi, I just happened to look at the firewalld default settings, and I was not amused when I noticed this:

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

On 8 December 2014 at 12:02, Aleksandar Kurtakov akurt...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 1:26:29 PM Subject: Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

On 8 December 2014 at 13:45, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 12:11:40PM +, Ian Malone wrote: You're free to select another firewall zone And free to move to another distro of course. Well, or free to select another Fedora offering, or configure you

Re: Are both the audio and jackuser groups necessary?

On 8 December 2014 at 15:15, Jonathan Underwood jonathan.underw...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, A perhaps naive question, but is it really necessary to have both the audio and jackuser groups? Could these not be consolidated moving forward? jackuser is used for realtime priority and memlock rights,

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

On 1 December 2014 at 20:55, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 December 2014 at 05:05, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 01.12.2014 um 12:57 schrieb Pierre-Yves Chibon: So we come back to the question: is any number better than no number at all? Even to get a

Re: Trig functions from math.h

On 26 November 2014 at 19:06, Les Howell hlhow...@pacbell.net wrote: Gentle developers: I have some older code that used to compile, which I wish to reuse and maybe redesign. However the code is C and uses the sinf function, which seems to have disappeared from math.h. Can anyone

Re: Improving the offline updates user experience

On 22 October 2014 20:07, Michael Stahl mst...@redhat.com wrote: On 17.09.2014 13:58, Miroslav Suchý wrote: On 09/17/2014 11:54 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: All those OSes require reboots when updating the OS. Define OS. Firefox is definitely not OS. While systemd is OS. I am fine with reboot

Re: Dash as default shell

On 8 October 2014 12:35, Miloslav Trmač m...@redhat.com wrote: Been away for a week and come back to this nonsense. Why put so much effort into arguing *against* having the right interpreter listed at the top of a script. Seems pretty perverse to insist it should be /bin/sh to maintain a

Re: No more deltarpms by default

On 6 October 2014 09:41, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi One of the long standing features that were enabled by default in yum is support for delta rpms. dnf developers have disabled this and I think this change deserves a broader discussion

Re: Dash as default shell

On 6 October 2014 16:57, Miloslav Trmač m...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - On Fri, Oct 03, 2014 at 02:29:53PM -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: Is it worth considering using Dash as the default (non-interactive) shell in Fedora? Other distributions including Ubuntu and Debian

Re: Dash as default shell

On 6 October 2014 17:28, Miloslav Trmač m...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - At that point switching anything to dash can _only increase_, not reduce, the disk space needed, and is very likely to increase the total page cache usage/requirement as well. Bringing the benefits

Re: Dash as default shell

On 2 October 2014 07:33, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Wed, 01.10.14 22:39, Rahul Sundaram (methe...@gmail.com) wrote: Hi Is it worth considering using Dash as the default (non-interactive) shell in Fedora? Other distributions including Ubuntu and Debian (

Re: Dash as default shell

On 2 October 2014 17:13, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 10/02/2014 03:07 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Chris Adams wrote: If that's the case, why do we have the /bin/sh symlink? Just remove it and make the bash dependency explicit (so

Re: Dash as default shell

On 2 October 2014 13:59, Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net wrote: Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de said: In general, I am pretty sure that except a couple of programming language or UNIX aficionades very few people can actually correctly separate bashisms from true

Re: Proposal: Increasing application icon sizes to 64px

On 30 September 2014 02:09, Michael Catanzaro mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: On Mon, 2014-09-29 at 22:05 +0100, Ian Malone wrote: Who is using magnifying glasses to view icons? Icons are displayed far larger in GNOME Shell than in other desktop environments, and the difference between an SVG

Re: Proposal: Increasing application icon sizes to 64px

On 29 September 2014 12:40, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 September 2014 12:23, Matěj Cepl mc...@cepl.eu wrote: Couldn’t we just stop this madness of bitmaps? SVGs are not a silver bullet. You'd want a very different source SVG file for an icon that's designed to be

Re: OT: Patching a source makes it a fork?

On 15 August 2014 12:30, Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 5:28 AM, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote: (I'm very sympathetic to your plight as I've been waiting months to try and get a known patch from the actual author of the original code into the kernel

Re: unsigned char vs. signed char

On 16 July 2014 10:28, Florian Weimer fwei...@redhat.com wrote: On 07/16/2014 11:00 AM, Jakub Jelinek wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:55:57AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: On 07/15/2014 07:22 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: On Tue, 2014-07-15 at 10:40 -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: Did you know

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On 23 June 2014 23:54, Gerald B. Cox gb...@bzb.us wrote: First of all thank you for your reasoned response. I simply disagree. I understand the fact about require bugs, and the tons of dependent packages. I've seen that also when I've tried to remove a package and noticed it had a myriad of

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On 24 June 2014 11:03, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 24.06.2014 11:40, schrieb Florian Weimer: On 06/24/2014 11:31 AM, Thomas Bendler wrote: Hopefully you don't write professional software with this kind of attitude. Please don't try to win arguments by labeling the

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On 24 June 2014 12:51, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 24.06.2014 12:56, schrieb Ian Malone: On 24 June 2014 11:03, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 24.06.2014 11:40, schrieb Florian Weimer: On 06/24/2014 11:31 AM, Thomas Bendler wrote: Hopefully you don't

bugzilla use and bug 1049310

Kevin Fenzi on bugzilla: Hey folks. There are 47 people cc'ed on this bug. Can we please be kind to them and refrain from discussion here unless you have some new information that hasn't already been noted in the last 35 comments? Quite a sensible comment. We got to this situation because

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

On 17 June 2014 19:11, David dgbo...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 6/17/2014 1:59 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 17.06.2014 19:26, schrieb David: before you call others zealots you should ask yourself if you are just only a ordinary user with his single

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: The Shogun Machine Learning Toolbox

On 30 April 2014 14:10, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: = Proposed Self Contained Change: The Shogun Machine Learning Toolbox = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/shogun Change owner(s): Björn Esser besse...@fedoraproject.org SHOGUN is a large Scale Machine Learning Toolbox,

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

On 16 April 2014 00:11, William Brown will...@firstyear.id.au wrote: On Tue, 2014-04-15 at 13:49 -0700, Matthias Clasen wrote: I don't think we want a 'firewall' UI anyway; the firewall is not something most users can or should understand and make decisions of. Never take decisions away from

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: SDDM as the default KDE display manager instead of KDM

On 14 April 2014 14:40, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: = Proposed Self Contained Change: SDDM as the default KDE display manager instead of KDM = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SDDMinsteadOfKDM Change owner(s): Martin Briza mbr...@redhat.com KDE SIG Retire KDM as the

Re: Five Things in Fedora This Week (2014-04-08)

On 8 April 2014 23:01, Corey Sheldon sheldon.co...@gmail.com wrote: I'm glad to supply a mirror site for initial seeding for such actions as needed (GMT-4 (US ES/DT) Also great mailing list but curious do you plan on creating a blog or podcast with such info for those not always near email

Re: Five Things in Fedora This Week (2014-04-01)

On 1 April 2014 21:11, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Reposted from http://fedoramagazine.org/five-things-in-fedora-this-week-2014-04-01/ This is the third installment of this series, and I'm still calibrating a few things. I'm aiming at a wide audience, but I'm not quite

Re: F21 System Wide Change: lbzip2 as default bzip2 implementation

On 2 April 2014 21:46, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek zbys...@in.waw.pl wrote: ** possibly adjust spec files to require or build-require lbzip2 instead of bzip2. Is this necessary? Wouldn't it be better to have lbzip2 Provide

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part II, What's Happening?)

On 1 April 2014 02:50, David dgbo...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/31/2014 8:37 PM, Corey Sheldon wrote: Whatever if they can't learn the basics and the fundamental basis of Linux or the Patent issues and what have you then go somewhere else like to mac or windows..sometimes you need to work for

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

On 2 March 2014 14:56, Ric Wheeler rwhee...@redhat.com wrote: On 03/02/2014 01:17 PM, Ian Malone wrote: Can we get some definition of legacy here? kernel/nfs-utils versions? I'd have to check what I can share. If it helps: not current RHEL or recent Fedora, until recently some that were

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

On 1 March 2014 21:37, Orion Poplawski or...@cora.nwra.com wrote: On 03/01/2014 02:30 PM, Ian Malone wrote: On 1 March 2014 18:57, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 2014-03-01 at 12:04 +, Ian Malone wrote: On 28 February 2014 20:45, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

On 28 February 2014 20:45, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 23:16 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: On Feb 27, 2014, at 11:07 PM, James Wilson Harshaw IV jwhars...@gmail.com wrote: I apologize, I guess I did not get the whole background out of it. What

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

On 1 March 2014 18:57, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 2014-03-01 at 12:04 +, Ian Malone wrote: On 28 February 2014 20:45, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 23:16 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: As you say they are 'plain' filesystems. Though I now

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

On 17 February 2014 08:45, Christian Schaller cscha...@redhat.com wrote: Well with GCC we are assuming people will read docs and figure out the command line parameters needed to use gcc. So expecting people to read the docs on how to use yum or 'yum search' is not expecting to much in my

Re: advertisement in packaged software (e.g. Firefox)

On 14 February 2014 06:08, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 02/13/2014 07:50 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Jeu 13 février 2014 19:40, Rahul Sundaram a écrit : Hi On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: A party who is molesting me with ads and tries to spy on

Re: advertisement in packaged software (e.g. Firefox)

On 13 February 2014 18:50, Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote: Le Jeu 13 février 2014 19:40, Rahul Sundaram a écrit : Hi On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: A party who is molesting me with ads and tries to spy on me, hardly is my friend. That

Re: advertisement in packaged software (e.g. Firefox)

On 12 February 2014 14:44, Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 03:36:00PM +0100, Kai Engert wrote: Question (1) Are we allowed to ship software in Fedora that dynamically loads

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