On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 04:41:18PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
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> If we can do the "make basic graphics mode do vga=ask and then write
> the chosen config to the installed system bootloader" thing, then that
> sounds sufficient to me. That will require co-ordination with the
> anaconda team,
On Thu, 2022-04-21 at 13:32 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 10:10 AM Adam Jackson wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 6:06 PM Kevin Kofler via devel
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > > Right now it's not entirely clear whether this is considered part
Adam Jackson wrote:
> Turns out the support story is less bad than I thought, the simpledrm
> change was more powerful than I knew. I've updated the change again
> but the short story is vga= on kcmdline will give you just as good of
> support as UEFI framebuffer.
Or rather, as bad of support,
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 10:09 PM Demi Marie Obenour
wrote:
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[snip]
> > I'm also not sure I agree it's clear that we'd find more bugs if the
> > fallback path didn't exist. People don't usually just boot straight in
> > "basic graphics mode", after all. They try a regular boot, and if it
> >
On 4/21/22 12:35, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2022-04-21 at 10:10 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 6:06 PM Kevin Kofler via devel
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Adam Williamson wrote:
Right now it's not entirely clear whether this is considered part of
the Change scope or
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 10:10 AM Adam Jackson wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 6:06 PM Kevin Kofler via devel
> wrote:
> >
> > Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > Right now it's not entirely clear whether this is considered part of
> > > the Change scope or not. The paragraph about the `uvesafb`
On Thu, 2022-04-21 at 10:10 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 6:06 PM Kevin Kofler via devel
> wrote:
> >
> > Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > Right now it's not entirely clear whether this is considered part of
> > > the Change scope or not. The paragraph about the `uvesafb`
On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 6:06 PM Kevin Kofler via devel
wrote:
>
> Adam Williamson wrote:
> > Right now it's not entirely clear whether this is considered part of
> > the Change scope or not. The paragraph about the `uvesafb` driver seems
> > kind of aspirational and doesn't seem to commit to
Adam Williamson wrote:
> Right now it's not entirely clear whether this is considered part of
> the Change scope or not. The paragraph about the `uvesafb` driver seems
> kind of aspirational and doesn't seem to commit to anything. The
> "Benefit to Fedora" section states "Verified modern supported
On Wed, 2022-04-20 at 15:06 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
> Apologies for the delay here, but I've updated the change proposal
> page based on the feedback in this thread. Please let me know what you
> think.
To echo what Kamil and Kevin said earlier: I'm fine with this so long
as we still have a
On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 03:06:33PM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
> I've updated the change proposal page based on the feedback in this
> thread. Please let me know what you think.
I love it. It's funny to read but very clear.
One suggestion: collect the diagnostics commadn in a pastable string that
On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 3:07 PM Adam Jackson wrote:
>
> Apologies for the delay here, but I've updated the change proposal
> page based on the feedback in this thread. Please let me know what you
> think.
>
You noted Parallels Desktop, which is actually a fair point I forgot about.
Fortunately,
Apologies for the delay here, but I've updated the change proposal
page based on the feedback in this thread. Please let me know what you
think.
- ajax
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 4:10 PM Ben Cotton wrote:
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> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LegacyXorgDriverRemoval
>
>
> == Summary ==
>
>
Hans de Goede wrote:
> On 4/8/22 13:18, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
>> Still, I remain worried about the details, such as:
>> * that, if VESA is needed, the VESA mode has to be configured through the
>> kernel CLI,
>> * that, as far as I can see, switching to another mode with kernel VESA
>>
Hi,
On 4/8/22 13:18, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Hans de Goede wrote:
>> So most hw will either be new enough to offer an efifb which
>> simpledrm will turn into a drm/kms /dev/dri/card0 device. Or it
>> will be old enough that it almost certainly will have
>> a drm/kms driver.
>>
>> And
On Fri, Apr 08, 2022 at 11:02:53AM +0200, Hans de Goede wrote:
> Note that for Fedora 36 we have already dropped efifb and replaced it
> with simpledrm:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ReplaceFbdevDrivers
>
> So this means that in our default configs we no longer have any
> fbdev
On 4/8/22 05:02, Hans de Goede wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 4/8/22 07:01, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
>> Ben Cotton wrote:
>>> == Owner ==
>>> * Name: [[User:ajax|Adam Jackson]]
>>> * Email: a...@redhat.com
>>>
>>> == Detailed Description ==
>>>
>>> Fedora's primary desktop environments are moving away
On 4/8/22 01:01, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Ben Cotton wrote:
>> == Owner ==
>> * Name: [[User:ajax|Adam Jackson]]
>> * Email: a...@redhat.com
>>
>> == Detailed Description ==
>>
>> Fedora's primary desktop environments are moving away from being X11
>> sessions, to being Wayland servers in
Hans de Goede wrote:
> So most hw will either be new enough to offer an efifb which
> simpledrm will turn into a drm/kms /dev/dri/card0 device. Or it
> will be old enough that it almost certainly will have
> a drm/kms driver.
>
> And for the really odd duck out a vesa mode can be set on the
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 10:06 PM Ben Cotton wrote:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LegacyXorgDriverRemoval
>
> == Summary ==
>
> This change will remove the `xorg-x11-drv-vesa` and
> `xorg-x11-drv-fbdev` driver packages, and associated support code from
> the `xorg-x11-server-Xorg`
Hi,
On 4/8/22 07:01, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Ben Cotton wrote:
>> == Owner ==
>> * Name: [[User:ajax|Adam Jackson]]
>> * Email: a...@redhat.com
>>
>> == Detailed Description ==
>>
>> Fedora's primary desktop environments are moving away from being X11
>> sessions, to being Wayland servers
> Am 07.04.2022 um 21:56 schrieb Ben Cotton :
>
> == Detailed Description ==
>
> In particular the `vesa` and `fbdev`
> drivers can find themselves pressed into use when accelerated graphics
> is unavailable.
I miss or probably don’t understand what will happen when "accelerated graphics
On Thu, Apr 07, 2022 at 03:56:13PM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LegacyXorgDriverRemoval
>
>
> == Summary ==
>
> This change will remove the `xorg-x11-drv-vesa` and
> `xorg-x11-drv-fbdev` driver packages, and associated support code from
> the
Ben Cotton wrote:
> == Owner ==
> * Name: [[User:ajax|Adam Jackson]]
> * Email: a...@redhat.com
>
> == Detailed Description ==
>
> Fedora's primary desktop environments are moving away from being X11
> sessions, to being Wayland servers in their own right. This transition
> is incomplete, and
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 4:16 PM Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 4/7/22 13:04, JT wrote:
> > How will this affect Desktop Developers who are still reliant on x for
> > their DE/WM to work? For example, I dont have the needed bits in Lumina
> > for it to work with Wayland.
> > I'm asking because I dont
On 4/7/22 13:04, JT wrote:
How will this affect Desktop Developers who are still reliant on x for
their DE/WM to work? For example, I dont have the needed bits in Lumina
for it to work with Wayland.
I'm asking because I dont know how this will or won't affect me and
other desktops in a similar
How will this affect Desktop Developers who are still reliant on x for
their DE/WM to work? For example, I dont have the needed bits in Lumina for
it to work with Wayland.
I'm asking because I dont know how this will or won't affect me and other
desktops in a similar situation.
On Thu, Apr 7,
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LegacyXorgDriverRemoval
== Summary ==
This change will remove the `xorg-x11-drv-vesa` and
`xorg-x11-drv-fbdev` driver packages, and associated support code from
the `xorg-x11-server-Xorg` package.
== Owner ==
* Name: [[User:ajax|Adam Jackson]]
* Email:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LegacyXorgDriverRemoval
== Summary ==
This change will remove the `xorg-x11-drv-vesa` and
`xorg-x11-drv-fbdev` driver packages, and associated support code from
the `xorg-x11-server-Xorg` package.
== Owner ==
* Name: [[User:ajax|Adam Jackson]]
* Email:
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