On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 12:31 PM Kevin Kofler
wrote:
> As an example of the sorry state of the Java SIG, pdfbox and batik were
> orphaned 2 weeks ago, but those are dependencies of fop, which is a
> dependency of publican, which is used by appstream to build documentation,
> and half of the
As an example of the sorry state of the Java SIG, pdfbox and batik were
orphaned 2 weeks ago, but those are dependencies of fop, which is a
dependency of publican, which is used by appstream to build documentation,
and half of the distribution (including the entire KF5 stack, through extra-
On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 at 10:25, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>
> Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> > Your comments on what you expect OTHER people to do for YOU come across as
> > we are all your slaves or serfs. I really expect that isn't your
> > intention, but this mode of communication undermines
Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 22:07, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> Buildroot-only modules? Stuff Java packagers shouldn't use? Why should we
>> let one individual packager hold the entire Java ecosystem on Fedora
>> hostage with such antisocial diktats?
>
> Because the
On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 22:07, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>
> Aleksandra Fedorova wrote:
> > I see that Mikolaj has a vision how it supposed to work. And I think he
> > spent quite some time designing the workflow which would fit this vision,
> > thus it is worth to listen to it with an open mind.
> >
>
Aleksandra Fedorova wrote:
> I see that Mikolaj has a vision how it supposed to work. And I think he
> spent quite some time designing the workflow which would fit this vision,
> thus it is worth to listen to it with an open mind.
>
> @Mikolaj, can you document the setup for java toolchain
On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 at 11:17, John M. Harris Jr
wrote:
> I must disagree. That it "works" in RHEL doesn't mean that it should be
done
> in Fedora. The current situation in Fedora, where maven and ant have been
> "moved" to modules has screwed over the Eclipse packagers, for example,
and
> more
On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 5:12 PM Aleksandra Fedorova wrote:
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> Hi, Fabio,
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:30 AM Fabio Valentini wrote:
>>
>> Hi everybody,
>>
>> You're probably aware that the Stewardship SIG has been picking up
>> some (±230) Java packages to keep them from getting removed from
Hi, Fabio,
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:30 AM Fabio Valentini
wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> You're probably aware that the Stewardship SIG has been picking up
> some (±230) Java packages to keep them from getting removed from
> fedora, and to try to keep them maintained. Since the fraction of
>
On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 4:54 PM Stephen John Smoogen
wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 09:17, Gerald Henriksen wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 21:08:02 -0800, you wrote:
> >
> > >On 11/18/19 7:29 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > >> I can't speak for everyone, but at least my experience was that it
On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 09:17, Gerald Henriksen wrote:
>
> On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 21:08:02 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >On 11/18/19 7:29 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
> >> I can't speak for everyone, but at least my experience was that it was
> >> functionally impossible to discover how to package Java stuff. In a
On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 21:08:02 -0800, you wrote:
>On 11/18/19 7:29 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
>> I can't speak for everyone, but at least my experience was that it was
>> functionally impossible to discover how to package Java stuff. In a
>> lifetime (and a job) ago, I was much more engaged in the Java
On 11/18/19 7:29 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 9:34 PM Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 11/18/19 3:40 PM, Gerald Henriksen wrote:
On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 13:37:39 +0100, you wrote:
Fabio Valentini wrote:
Or is it time for a "tabula rasa" and restart the SIG?
IMHO, yes. Kick out the 1
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 9:34 PM Samuel Sieb wrote:
>
> On 11/18/19 3:40 PM, Gerald Henriksen wrote:
> > On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 13:37:39 +0100, you wrote:
> >
> >> Fabio Valentini wrote:
> >>> Or is it time for a "tabula rasa" and restart the SIG?
> >>
> >> IMHO, yes. Kick out the 1 or 2 Modularity
On 11/18/19 3:40 PM, Gerald Henriksen wrote:
On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 13:37:39 +0100, you wrote:
Fabio Valentini wrote:
Or is it time for a "tabula rasa" and restart the SIG?
IMHO, yes. Kick out the 1 or 2 Modularity fundamentalists that form the
current remains of the Java SIG and create a new
On Mon, 2019-11-18 at 18:40 -0500, Gerald Henriksen wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 13:37:39 +0100, you wrote:
>
> > Fabio Valentini wrote:
> > > Or is it time for a "tabula rasa" and restart the SIG?
> >
> > IMHO, yes. Kick out the 1 or 2 Modularity fundamentalists that form
> > the
> > current
- Original Message -
> From: "Gerald Henriksen"
> To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
>
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 6:40:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [fedora-java] What's the State of the Java SIG?
>
> On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 13:37:39 +010
On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 13:37:39 +0100, you wrote:
>Fabio Valentini wrote:
>> Or is it time for a "tabula rasa" and restart the SIG?
>
>IMHO, yes. Kick out the 1 or 2 Modularity fundamentalists that form the
>current remains of the Java SIG and create a new Java SIG from scratch that
>actually
Alex Scheel wrote:
> A number of these packages exist as ursine packages precisely because
> you've made them BUILDROOT-only! We, the Dogtag team, asked you to
> reconsider that choice because we needed these as runtime dependencies,
> not build-time only. You declined and said our choices were to
On Mon, 2019-11-18 at 13:37 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Fabio Valentini wrote:
> > Or is it time for a "tabula rasa" and restart the SIG?
>
> IMHO, yes. Kick out the 1 or 2 Modularity fundamentalists that form
> the
> current remains of the Java SIG and create a new Java SIG from
> scratch that
- Original Message -
> From: "Mikolaj Izdebski"
> To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
>
> Cc: "java-devel"
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 5:42:20 AM
> Subject: Re: What's the State of the Java SIG?
~snip~
> Mainte
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 1:33 PM Mikolaj Izdebski wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 12:17 PM John M. Harris Jr
> wrote:
> >
> > On Monday, November 18, 2019 3:42:20 AM MST Mikolaj Izdebski wrote:
> > > IMHO effort spent on maintenance of most of these ursine Java packages
> > > is mostly wasted
Fabio Valentini wrote:
> Or is it time for a "tabula rasa" and restart the SIG?
IMHO, yes. Kick out the 1 or 2 Modularity fundamentalists that form the
current remains of the Java SIG and create a new Java SIG from scratch that
actually cares about packaging Java properly in and for
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 12:17 PM John M. Harris Jr wrote:
>
> On Monday, November 18, 2019 3:42:20 AM MST Mikolaj Izdebski wrote:
> > IMHO effort spent on maintenance of most of these ursine Java packages
> > is mostly wasted effort. As I said before, many times, these packages
> > should be
On Monday, November 18, 2019 3:42:20 AM MST Mikolaj Izdebski wrote:
> IMHO effort spent on maintenance of most of these ursine Java packages
> is mostly wasted effort. As I said before, many times, these packages
> should be retired and replaced by modular packages, which are
> maintained by Java
Hi,
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:30 AM Fabio Valentini wrote:
> You're probably aware that the Stewardship SIG has been picking up
> some (±230) Java packages to keep them from getting removed from
> fedora, and to try to keep them maintained. Since the fraction of
> out-of-date packages has
Hi everybody,
You're probably aware that the Stewardship SIG has been picking up
some (±230) Java packages to keep them from getting removed from
fedora, and to try to keep them maintained. Since the fraction of
out-of-date packages has fallen from 70% to 30% (with 0 FTBFS issues
left), I think
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