Re: F38 proposal: Shorter Shutdown Timer (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-23 Thread Steve Grubb
On Friday, December 23, 2022 1:34:48 PM EST Alexander Ploumistos wrote: > On Fri, Dec 23, 2022 at 7:21 PM Steve Grubb wrote: > > This is nice, but all I ever seen is a black screen and a spinning > > circle. No text of any kind. If something were written to the console, > > how do you see it? >

[EPEL-devel] Fedora EPEL 7 updates-testing report

2022-12-23 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 7 Security updates need testing: Age URL 6 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2022-c57a51c195 rxvt-unicode-9.30-2.el7 2 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2022-8362ddfe7c trafficserver-9.1.4-1.el7 The following builds

Re: [apt-cacher-ng] Resurrect dead package

2022-12-23 Thread Alexandre Detiste
I've refreshed the packaging and fixed bugs. https://src.fedoraproject.org/fork/adetiste/rpms/apt-cacher-ng : -> this integrate and builds on Frédéric Pierret's fixes. https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/adetiste/apt-cacher-ng/build/5178188/ (I need it for RHEL 8, so I'll need to backport

Re: Is there convenient way to setup Fedora compilation flags outside of the RPM build?

2022-12-23 Thread Artur Frenszek-Iwicki
> So you can do > $ eval `rpm -E '%set_build_flags'` > in a script to set the flags that RPM uses. Another solution could be something like: $ gcc $(rpm -E '%optflags') ... $(rpm -E '%build_ldflags') A.FI. ___ devel mailing list --

Re: Is there convenient way to setup Fedora compilation flags outside of the RPM build?

2022-12-23 Thread Elliott Sales de Andrade
On Fri, Dec 23, 2022 at 1:21 PM Vít Ondruch wrote: > > Working with upstream on one issue [1], it seems that the culprit is in > the Fedora compiler options. Is there some convenient way to set them > up? Of course I can copy them from log, or somehow put together from the > RPM macros, but I'd

Re: F38 proposal: Shorter Shutdown Timer (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-23 Thread Alexander Ploumistos
On Fri, Dec 23, 2022 at 7:21 PM Steve Grubb wrote: > > This is nice, but all I ever seen is a black screen and a spinning circle. No > text of any kind. If something were written to the console, how do you see > it? Have you tried hitting "Esc" when that happens?

Is there convenient way to setup Fedora compilation flags outside of the RPM build?

2022-12-23 Thread Vít Ondruch
Working with upstream on one issue [1], it seems that the culprit is in the Fedora compiler options. Is there some convenient way to set them up? Of course I can copy them from log, or somehow put together from the RPM macros, but I'd appreciate if there was some easier way. Can we e.g.

Re: F38 proposal: Shorter Shutdown Timer (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-23 Thread Steve Grubb
Hello, On Friday, December 23, 2022 9:48:22 AM EST Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Fri, Dec 23, 2022 at 08:09:56AM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 05:22:09PM -0500, Steve Grubb wrote: > > > On Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:29:29 PM EST Adam Williamson wrote: > > >

Re: F38 proposal: Shorter Shutdown Timer (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-23 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Dec 23, 2022, at 12:56 AM, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > Why cache mode unsafe? How big a performance win is it? Huge. In effect fsync is ignored. So if the host dies, write order is not guaranteed and can toast the guest file system. The guest dying shouldn't pose a problem because

Re: F38 proposal: Shorter Shutdown Timer (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-23 Thread Steve Grubb
Hello, On Friday, December 23, 2022 6:52:02 AM EST Tom Hughes via devel wrote: > On 23/12/2022 11:45, Naheem Zaffar wrote: > > On Fri, 23 Dec 2022 at 08:26, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel > > mailto:devel@lists.fedoraproject.org>> > > wrote: > > On 23/12/2022 09:20, Mattia Verga via devel wrote:

Re: F38 proposal: Shorter Shutdown Timer (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-23 Thread Neil Hanlon
if you have persistent Journaling enabled, you'll find them in your last boot log On Fri, Dec 23, 2022, 08:55 Mattia Verga via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Il 23/12/22 15:48, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek ha scritto: > > > > Yeah. We added printing of a lot of information in > >

Re: F38 proposal: Shorter Shutdown Timer (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-23 Thread Mattia Verga via devel
Il 23/12/22 15:48, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek ha scritto: > > Yeah. We added printing of a lot of information in > https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/3889fc6fc347f0e12070f7b873d065508c8df816: > > Example output: > > Stopping user@1000.service... > [ OK ] Stopped

HEADS UP: tesseract-5.3.0 landing in rawhide with soname bump

2022-12-23 Thread Sandro Mani
Hi I'll be landing tesseract 5.3.0 in rawhide, building it in the f38-build-side-61405 side tag, along with the following dependent packages: ffmpeg gimagereader mupdf opencv python-PyMuPDF qpdfview R-tesseract zathura-pdf-mupdf Thanks Sandro ___

Re: F38 proposal: Shorter Shutdown Timer (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-23 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 12:35:54PM -0500, Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Shorter_Shutdown_Timer > > This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes > process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive > community feedback. This proposal

Re: F38 proposal: Shorter Shutdown Timer (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-23 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, Dec 23, 2022 at 08:09:56AM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 05:22:09PM -0500, Steve Grubb wrote: > > On Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:29:29 PM EST Adam Williamson wrote: > > > 15 seconds feels very aggressive to me. I can think of some cases, like > > > libvirtd

Re: F38 proposal: Shorter Shutdown Timer (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-23 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 10:40:23PM +0100, allan2016--- via devel wrote: > På Thu, 22 Dec 2022 10:29:29 -0800 > Adam Williamson skrev: > > On Thu, 2022-12-22 at 18:44 +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 12:35:54PM -0500, Ben Cotton wrote: > > > >

Re: F38 proposal: Unified Kernel Support Phase 1 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-23 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Do, 22.12.22 11:00, Neal Gompa (ngomp...@gmail.com) wrote: > > OK, so what's left is exactly one issue you had: you tried to enroll 3 > > UEFI certs via mokutil and what exactly happened then? machine > > bricked how precisely? > > The UEFI environment failed to import without reporting

Re: F38 proposal: Unified Kernel Support Phase 1 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-23 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fr, 23.12.22 08:51, Fedora Development ML (devel@lists.fedoraproject.org) wrote: > On 22/12/2022 21:29, Chris Murphy wrote: > > This is a rare but real problem. > > I don't think so. Power outage is a very common problem in some countries. > > I still remember how unreliable FAT32 was in the

Re: F38 proposal: Unified Kernel Support Phase 1 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-23 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fr, 23.12.22 09:01, Fedora Development ML (devel@lists.fedoraproject.org) wrote: > On 22/12/2022 21:18, Chris Murphy wrote: > > XBOOTLDR in practice needs to be FAT. I don't like it. But I like > > it better than choosing batshit as the alternative, and having a > > bunch of signed efifs

Re: F38 proposal: X Server Prohibits Byte-swapped Clients (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-23 Thread Stephen Smoogen
On Thu, 22 Dec 2022 at 10:24, Elizabeth K. Joseph wrote: > > This might not be as niche as you might think. I'm one of the > > Linux kernel maintainers for s390. Many of us do the vast majority of > > their development work natively on s390 systems via SSH from Fedora > > laptops. > > I first

Re: F38 proposal: Shorter Shutdown Timer (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-23 Thread Tom Hughes via devel
On 23/12/2022 11:45, Naheem Zaffar wrote: On Fri, 23 Dec 2022 at 08:26, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel mailto:devel@lists.fedoraproject.org>> wrote: On 23/12/2022 09:20, Mattia Verga via devel wrote: > I know this is way harder, but the right approach would be having a way > to

Re: F38 proposal: Shorter Shutdown Timer (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-23 Thread Naheem Zaffar
On Fri, 23 Dec 2022 at 08:26, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On 23/12/2022 09:20, Mattia Verga via devel wrote: > > I know this is way harder, but the right approach would be having a way > > to tell systemd what processes can be killed and what other processes

Fedora rawhide compose report: 20221223.n.0 changes

2022-12-23 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20221222.n.0 NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20221223.n.0 = SUMMARY = Added images:1 Dropped images: 0 Added packages: 3 Dropped packages:0 Upgraded packages: 71 Downgraded packages: 0 Size of added packages: 30.67 MiB Size of dropped packages:0 B

Re: F38 proposal: Unified Kernel Support Phase 1 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-23 Thread Luca Boccassi
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 12:42:38PM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > Different architectures have different boot loaders. In particular, s390x and > ppc64el are very different. The proposal is to add support for UKIs in grub2, > so > that we will cover UEFI and non-UEFI machines that use grub2.

Re: F38 proposal: Unified Kernel Support Phase 1 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-23 Thread Luca Boccassi
> On 22/12/2022 21:29, Chris Murphy wrote: > > I don't think so. Power outage is a very common problem in some countries. > > I still remember how unreliable FAT32 was in the Windows 9x era. You > needed to run a scandisk check after every power failure or pressing the > reset button. And

Re: F38 proposal: Unified Kernel Support Phase 1 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-23 Thread Luca Boccassi
> On 12/22/22 12:00, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > As Neal mentioned earlier, these mechanisms are often broken. Not only > does some firmware wind up bricking the machine when they are used, they > also may not support removing the key used to sign Windows. If the > attacker can boot Windows and

[Test-Announce] Fedora 38 Rawhide 20221223.n.0 nightly compose nominated for testing

2022-12-23 Thread rawhide
Announcing the creation of a new nightly release validation test event for Fedora 38 Rawhide 20221223.n.0. Please help run some tests for this nightly compose if you have time. For more information on nightly release validation testing, see: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki

Re: F38 proposal: Unified Kernel Support Phase 1 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-23 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 12/20/22 21:27, Simo Sorce wrote: Finally, unless this proposal harms Fedora I do not see why oppose it. If, as you fear, it won't work ... then it won't and we'll try something else. You do realize that the day that Lenovo started to sell it's hardware with Fedora pre-installed ( as it

Re: F38 proposal: Shorter Shutdown Timer (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-23 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 23/12/2022 09:20, Mattia Verga via devel wrote: I know this is way harder, but the right approach would be having a way to tell systemd what processes can be killed and what other processes must not be forced off in any case, then display a user friendly message which inform the user that the

Re: F38 proposal: Shorter Shutdown Timer (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-23 Thread Mattia Verga via devel
Il 22/12/22 18:35, Ben Cotton ha scritto: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Shorter_Shutdown_Timer > I think this is not the right approach to solve the problem. Basically, we're saying "I don't know what's going on, just pull the plug, I don't care about data corruption", which is going to

Re: F38 proposal: Unified Kernel Support Phase 1 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-23 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 12:42:38PM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 5:25 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 11:56:32AM -0600, Dennis Gilmore via devel wrote: > > > In my case, I have Network Manager config files included in my initrd > >

Re: F38 proposal: Shorter Shutdown Timer (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-23 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 22/12/2022 18:35, Ben Cotton wrote: A downstream configuration change to reduce the systemd unit timeout from 2 minutes to 15 seconds. +1 for this change. I've already reduced this timeout both on my desktop and laptop to even 10 seconds. -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev

Re: F38 proposal: Unified Kernel Support Phase 1 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-23 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 22/12/2022 21:18, Chris Murphy wrote: XBOOTLDR in practice needs to be FAT. I don't like it. But I like it better than choosing batshit as the alternative, and having a bunch of signed efifs drivers on the ESP per distro sounds like batshit to me. And not in the good way. I don't think