Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-07-03 Thread Leon Fauster via devel
Am 03.07.23 um 18:07 schrieb Simon de Vlieger: On 7/3/23 13:46, Ralf Corsépius wrote: It is the core of the problem esp. big US companies tend to ignore. May-be you guys are not aware of there are tendencies to legally prohibit such "cloud solutions" in many countries? It's generally not

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-07-03 Thread Simon de Vlieger
On 7/3/23 13:46, Ralf Corsépius wrote: It is the core of the problem esp. big US companies tend to ignore. May-be you guys are not aware of there are tendencies to legally prohibit such "cloud solutions" in many countries? It's generally not so much 'legally prohibit' as 'data has to be

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-07-03 Thread Ralf Corsépius
Am 01.07.23 um 14:28 schrieb Peter Robinson: On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 12:50 PM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: On 01/07/2023 13:36, Chris Adams wrote: A lot of the corporate world has gone to the "cloud" don't have to worry about local backups of important documents and spreadsheets, they

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-07-03 Thread Kalev Lember
On 7/3/23 09:23, Victor Toso wrote: On Sat, Jul 01, 2023 at 10:09:15PM +0200, Kalev Lember wrote: Victor (CC'd), do you want to pick up grilo and grilo-plugins? Sure, I'll keep maintaining both in Fedora. Excellent! Can you click on the "Take" button at

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-07-02 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Peter Robinson wrote: > Someone doing work in EPEL is quite a bit different to my point of a > corporate organisation downstream of RHEL adding value and > differentiation that Red Hat doesn't provide as part of RHEL. The discussion was about people being able or unable to obtain the LibreOffice

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-07-02 Thread Peter Robinson
On Sun, Jul 2, 2023 at 10:27 PM Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > Peter Robinson wrote: > > Assuming those "binary compatible distributions" choose to add > > LibreOffice back in and support it, given what they actually do in > > terms of actual development it's actually pretty unlikely they're >

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-07-02 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Peter Robinson wrote: > Assuming those "binary compatible distributions" choose to add > LibreOffice back in and support it, given what they actually do in > terms of actual development it's actually pretty unlikely they're > going to do all the extra work to add back an office suite and all the >

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-07-02 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Fri, Jun 30 2023 at 05:40:33 AM +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: So Red Hat is essentially killing all work on desktop packages, not just on LibreOffice? No. Losing Bastien is extremely unfortunate and demoralizing, but we are not killing all work on desktop packages. Michael

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-07-02 Thread Peter Robinson
On Sun, Jul 2, 2023 at 11:01 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 02/07/2023 10:51, Simon de Vlieger wrote: > > The suppliers for these enterprise distributions and the support they > > offer also abide by political lines. > > Indeed. That's why having RHEL repacks (Alma, Rocky, Oracle

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-07-02 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 02/07/2023 10:51, Simon de Vlieger wrote: The suppliers for these enterprise distributions and the support they offer also abide by political lines. Indeed. That's why having RHEL repacks (Alma, Rocky, Oracle Linux) is good. While your data won't be gone in an instant you still end up in

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-07-02 Thread Simon de Vlieger
On 7/2/23 08:56, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: On 01/07/2023 14:28, Peter Robinson wrote: This sort of comment is off topic, various companies are free to do with their data as they wish, just as you are free to do with it as you please. This is not offtopic. What I mean is that a

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-07-02 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 01/07/2023 14:28, Peter Robinson wrote: This sort of comment is off topic, various companies are free to do with their data as they wish, just as you are free to do with it as you please. This is not offtopic. What I mean is that a distribution targeted at enterprise use should have a

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-07-01 Thread Smith, Stewart via devel
On Jun 29, 2023, at 7:47 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > Here is a list of Fedora packages which I maintained or co-maintained which I > won't be able to contribute to anymore: > > sloccount I grabbed sloccount as I’ve found it useful over the years. It looks the right level of incredibly low

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-07-01 Thread Kalev Lember
On 6/29/23 16:47, Bastien Nocera wrote: Hello, As part of the same process outlined in Matthias Clasen's "LibreOffice packages" email, my upstream and downstream work on desktop Bluetooth, multimedia applications (namely totem, rhythmbox and sound-juicer) and libfprint/fprintd is being

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-07-01 Thread Leon Fauster via devel
Am 01.07.23 um 14:28 schrieb Peter Robinson: On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 12:50 PM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: On 01/07/2023 13:36, Chris Adams wrote: A lot of the corporate world has gone to the "cloud" don't have to worry about local backups of important documents and spreadsheets, they

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-07-01 Thread Peter Robinson
On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 12:50 PM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 01/07/2023 13:36, Chris Adams wrote: > > A lot of the corporate world has gone to the "cloud" > > > don't have to worry about local backups of important documents and > > spreadsheets, they get sharing with minimal effort,

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-07-01 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 01/07/2023 13:36, Chris Adams wrote: A lot of the corporate world has gone to the "cloud" don't have to worry about local backups of important documents and spreadsheets, they get sharing with minimal effort, they can access things from their mobile devices, etc. And voluntarily hand

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-07-01 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler said: > Peter Robinson wrote: > > I would hardly say Libreoffice, bluetooth on the desktop and certain > > iDevice pieces is "killing all work on the desktop" it's more focusing > > on things that are important to their customers in those contexts. > > What

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-07-01 Thread Peter Robinson
On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 12:30 PM Peter Robinson wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 12:00 AM Kevin Kofler via devel > wrote: > > > > Peter Robinson wrote: > > > I would hardly say Libreoffice, bluetooth on the desktop and certain > > > iDevice pieces is "killing all work on the desktop" it's more

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-07-01 Thread Peter Robinson
On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 12:00 AM Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > Peter Robinson wrote: > > I would hardly say Libreoffice, bluetooth on the desktop and certain > > iDevice pieces is "killing all work on the desktop" it's more focusing > > on things that are important to their customers in those

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-06-30 Thread Arthur Bols
On 29/06/2023 16:47, Bastien Nocera wrote: Hello, As part of the same process outlined in Matthias Clasen's "LibreOffice packages" email, my upstream and downstream work on desktop Bluetooth, multimedia applications (namely totem, rhythmbox and sound-juicer) and libfprint/fprintd is being

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-06-30 Thread Alexander Ploumistos
On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 1:00 AM Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > What corporate desktop customers do not use LibreOffice? I know two big-name scientific instrument manufacturers that offer RHEL workstations on which to run the control software. I suspect there are other domains with similar use

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-06-30 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Peter Robinson wrote: > I would hardly say Libreoffice, bluetooth on the desktop and certain > iDevice pieces is "killing all work on the desktop" it's more focusing > on things that are important to their customers in those contexts. What corporate desktop customers do not use LibreOffice? If RH

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-06-30 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 4:41 AM Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > Bastien Nocera wrote: > > As part of the same process outlined in Matthias Clasen's "LibreOffice > > packages" email, my upstream and downstream work on desktop Bluetooth, > > multimedia applications (namely totem, rhythmbox and

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-06-29 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Bastien Nocera wrote: > As part of the same process outlined in Matthias Clasen's "LibreOffice > packages" email, my upstream and downstream work on desktop Bluetooth, > multimedia applications (namely totem, rhythmbox and sound-juicer) and > libfprint/fprintd is being stopped, and all the rest of

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-06-29 Thread Davide Cavalca
On 2023-06-29 18:09, Bastien Nocera wrote: Do you want to pick up the rest of the libimobiledevice stack as well? That's ifuse, libplist, libusbmuxd and usbmuxd. I've just picked these up, thanks! Will work together with Neal on this stack as part of the Fedora Asahi SIG. Cheers Davide

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-06-29 Thread Bastien Nocera
Do you want to pick up the rest of the libimobiledevice stack as well? That's ifuse, libplist, libusbmuxd and usbmuxd. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-06-29 Thread Stephen Smoogen
On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 at 10:48, Bastien Nocera wrote: > Hello, > > As part of the same process outlined in Matthias Clasen's "LibreOffice > packages" email, my upstream and downstream work on desktop Bluetooth, > multimedia applications (namely totem, rhythmbox and sound-juicer) and >

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-06-29 Thread Jeffrey Stewart
I've picked up low-memory-monitor On 6/29/23 08:46, Neal Gompa wrote: On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 10:48 AM Bastien Nocera wrote: Hello, As part of the same process outlined in Matthias Clasen's "LibreOffice packages" email, my upstream and downstream work on desktop Bluetooth, multimedia

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-06-29 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 10:48 AM Bastien Nocera wrote: > > Hello, > > As part of the same process outlined in Matthias Clasen's "LibreOffice > packages" email, my upstream and downstream work on desktop Bluetooth, > multimedia applications (namely totem, rhythmbox and sound-juicer) and >

Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-06-29 Thread Bastien Nocera
Hello, As part of the same process outlined in Matthias Clasen's "LibreOffice packages" email, my upstream and downstream work on desktop Bluetooth, multimedia applications (namely totem, rhythmbox and sound-juicer) and libfprint/fprintd is being stopped, and all the rest of my upstream and