Re: [freenet-devl] Status on 0.3.9.3

2001-07-05 Thread Oskar Sandberg
On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 01:06:26AM -0500, Brandon Wiley wrote: OK, I'll try and track these down. My gut guess is that they won't be GPL-compatible, but we'll see. They don't have to be GPL-compatible. They just have to be freely redistributable. Yes they do. Not legally maybe, but we

Re: [freenet-devl] Status on 0.3.9.3

2001-07-05 Thread Brandon Wiley
They don't have to be GPL-compatible. They just have to be freely redistributable. Yes they do. Not legally maybe, but we are not distributing non-Free software with this project. Well, I disagree with your position. I think that not distributing the collection classes is a pointless

Re: [freenet-devl] Node discovery redux

2001-07-05 Thread Sebastian Späth
Ian Clarke schrieb: So it seems that Oskar and Tavin are now arguing that it is fine if users download Freenet, start the installation, are manually directed by the installation to the Freenet website where they can obtain some seed node addresses which they must manually enter into the

Re: [freenet-devl] Node discovery redux

2001-07-05 Thread Derek Glidden
Ian Clarke wrote: So it seems that Oskar and Tavin are now arguing that it is fine if users download Freenet, start the installation, are manually directed by the installation to the Freenet website where they can obtain some seed node addresses which they must manually enter into the

Re: [freenet-devl] Node discovery redux

2001-07-05 Thread Ian Clarke
On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 11:51:02AM -0400, Derek Glidden wrote: I will tend to agree with Oskar and Tavin in this case. It would be more useful if you actually explained why. However, I am definitely what one would consider a power user or megageek or whatever term you want to use. I

Re: [freenet-devl] Node discovery redux

2001-07-05 Thread Ian Clarke
On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 03:03:54PM +0200, Sebastian Sp?th wrote: B The real issues at hand are 1) how do they get the list of nodes, and B 2) how is the list of nodes generated. I get the sense that obtaining the nodes is not the issue (for the reasons you point out, people are implicitly

[freenet-devl] Adding transport failure backoff to 0.3.9.x routing

2001-07-05 Thread Gianni Johansson
I have been looking at the way routing is done in the 0.3.9.x codebase, specifically, Freenet.message.Request.sentToNextBest. The current implementation isn't very robust in the face of transient transport problems. The following scenario seems to happen quite often. a) A node performs well

Re: [freenet-devl] Adding transport failure backoff to 0.3.9.x routing

2001-07-05 Thread Mr . Bad
GJ == Gianni Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: GJ c) The current implementation GJ Freenet.message.Request.sentToNextBest gets GJ ConnectFailedExceptions and tries ever more distant (in GJ keyspace) refs, WITHOUT PAYING ATTENTION TO THE ADDRESS OF THE GJ NODEREFS. refs

Re: [freenet-devl] Adding transport failure backoff to 0.3.9.x routing

2001-07-05 Thread Gianni Johansson
On Thursday 05 July 2001 14:56, MB wrote: GJ == Gianni Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: GJ c) The current implementation GJ Freenet.message.Request.sentToNextBest gets GJ ConnectFailedExceptions and tries ever more distant (in GJ keyspace) refs, WITHOUT PAYING ATTENTION

Re: [freenet-devl] Adding transport failure backoff to 0.3.9.x routing

2001-07-05 Thread Mr . Bad
GJ == Gianni Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: GJ OK. This was admittedly unclear. GJ The issue is that successive requests get routed to the same GJ (transiently unavailable) node in quick succession, causing GJ all refs to get blown out of the DataStore. So, N failed

Re: [freenet-devl] Adding transport failure backoff to 0.3.9.x routing

2001-07-05 Thread Gianni Johansson
N failed references = N failed requests ___ Devl mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devl

Re: [freenet-devl] Node discovery redux

2001-07-05 Thread Tony Godshall
I would agree with Ian that it will be made easy/automatic whether the current freenet apps support it or not. I differ (I think) in that I think it must be safer than just the one seed IP addr: I would vote for the strength- in-numbers strategy proposed in a prior thread. I think Dr.

Re: [freenet-devl] Status on 0.3.9.3

2001-07-05 Thread Travis Bemann
On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 11:08:21AM +0200, Oskar Sandberg wrote: On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 01:06:26AM -0500, Brandon Wiley wrote: OK, I'll try and track these down. My gut guess is that they won't be GPL-compatible, but we'll see. They don't have to be GPL-compatible. They just have