Re: [digitalradio] Re: QRV ALE special group

2009-11-23 Thread Phil Williams
I made an attempt to call on the 80 meter frequencies, but I need to solve a nasty little RFI problem with a smoke alarm before going any further :-p. philw de ka1gmn On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com wrote: I have now added 3584 and 3596 US6 to my scan for

Re: [digitalradio] Which radio ?

2009-11-23 Thread Ted Wager
Andy obrien wrote: I have not used the rigs u mentioned and am not sure what their cost is.. but I would also mention the TS2000 and Kenwood TS480 as radios you might want to look at . The Icom 7000 may also be worth a look too. Welcome back to the hobby! Where is High Peak ?

[digitalradio] Re: Getting serious about ALE for non-encomm digital hamming

2009-11-23 Thread aa777888athotmaildotcom
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Lindecker f6...@... wrote: Hello, Once an effective, simple and robust SELCAL standard is developed (again IMHO it should be a logical extension of the existing RSID and Call ID standards) it could eventually be parlayed into a more modern

Re: [digitalradio] Which radio ?

2009-11-23 Thread Dave Ackrill
Ted Wager wrote: Thanks to all who replied to my query and for Andy High Peak is North Derbyshire where it usually rains :-( I often have to drive through the High Peaks to get across the Pennines from my home in Bolsover. Through places with names like Chappel-en-le-Frith and Dove

Re: [digitalradio] Which radio ?

2009-11-23 Thread Ted Wager
Dave Ackrill wrote: Ted Wager wrote: Thanks to all who replied to my query and for Andy High Peak is North Derbyshire where it usually rains :-( I often have to drive through the High Peaks to get across the Pennines from my home in Bolsover. Through places with names like

Re: [digitalradio] 13 pin DIN plug switch box?

2009-11-23 Thread Gary A. Hinton
Hello Tony, Your not going to find one of those type of boxes. They just don't exist. You can build one easily. Go to your local thrift shop and pick up a RS232 switch box use for switching printers used in the past. It contains the switch that you need and the box.also. Buy

[digitalradio] Disinformation about ALE by N5PVL Re: Getting serious about ALE / LID factor

2009-11-23 Thread expeditionradio
Charles, Your constant efforts to spread disinformation about ALE use in ham radio shows how little you know about how hams are using ALE. If you are really concerned about lids on HF, start with the #1 primary source of QRM: contesters. Bonnie VR2/KQ6XA --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [digitalradio] Disinformation about ALE by N5PVL Re: Getting serious about ALE / LID factor

2009-11-23 Thread Charles Brabham
Bonnie: I have not spread any disinformation about ALE anywhere. Take your personal attacks elsewhere. You bore me. 73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL Prefer to use radio for your amateur radio communications? - Stop by at HamRadioNet.Org ! http://www.hamradionet.org - Original Message

Re: [digitalradio] Disinformation about ALE by N5PVL Re: Getting serious about ALE / LID factor

2009-11-23 Thread Rick Karlquist
Charles, Your constant efforts to spread disinformation about ALE use in ham radio shows how little you know about how hams are using ALE. If you are really concerned about lids on HF, start with the #1 primary source of QRM: contesters. Bonnie VR2/KQ6XA That reminds me. During

Re: [digitalradio] Disinformation about ALE by N5PVL Re: Getting serious about ALE / LID factor

2009-11-23 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
OK all put a stop to this. John, W0JAB moderator

Re: [digitalradio] 13 pin DIN plug switch box?

2009-11-23 Thread James French
I would go with a db-25 printer switch that way you have access to all pins even if they are not all used. If you can become a member of one of your local Freecycle mail groups, you post that your looking for a couple. I did that a month ago and was given two units to use. Plans are for them to

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Getting serious about ALE for non-encomm digital hamming

2009-11-23 Thread Patrick Lindecker
Hello, One way would do it. To use an analogy, you ring the phone and the operator decides if he wants to pick up. With RSID, Call OK I see the analogy. By the way, is there currently a mechanism for monitoring the 3KHz passband for a certain Call ID and only alarming on that? Yes there

Re: [digitalradio] Disinformation about ALE by N5PVL Re: Getting serious about ALE / LID factor

2009-11-23 Thread DANNY DOUGLAS
Bonnie, sitting on the side, I see both sides of this. You, on one hand, always appear to be pushing expansion of new modes (which is good in some respect - that's what makes for advancements in science), but on the other hand, you appear to always want to push other users away, with broader

Re: [digitalradio] 13 pin DIN plug switch box?

2009-11-23 Thread Rick Karlquist
Gary A. Hinton wrote: Hello Tony, Your not going to find one of those type of boxes. They just don't exist. You can build one easily. Go to your local thrift shop and pick up a RS232 switch box use for switching printers used in the past. It contains the switch that

Re: [digitalradio] Disinformation about ALE by N5PVL Re: Getting serious about ALE / LID factor

2009-11-23 Thread Dave Ackrill
DANNY DOUGLAS wrote: Bonnie, sitting on the side, I see both sides of this. You, on one hand, always appear to be pushing expansion of new modes - Original Message - From: expeditionradio If you are really concerned about lids on HF, start with the #1 primary source of

[digitalradio] 7030 QRM

2009-11-23 Thread Andy obrien
Rick, not likely . ALE mostly uses 7040500 7065000 7099500 7102000 7110500 7185500 7296000 With 7102 in North America as the one with digital data signals. Andy K3UK On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Rick Karlquist rich...@karlquist.comwrote: Charles, Your constant efforts to

[digitalradio] Moderator comments : Listen-Don't listen

2009-11-23 Thread Andy obrien
Before we go down the path of debating listen first or not. I will remind folks that most of the argument has been stated before. Aside from the legalities of the issue, there are camps that strongly advocate that every hams should also listen first and not transmit if the frequency is busy, and

Re: [digitalradio] 7030 QRM

2009-11-23 Thread Rick Karlquist
Andy obrien wrote: Rick, not likely . ALE mostly uses 7040500 7065000 7099500 7102000 7110500 7185500 7296000 Actually, now that I think about it, I was trying to use 7040. Rick N6RK

Re: [digitalradio] Disinformation about ALE by N5PVL Re: Getting serious about ALE / LID factor

2009-11-23 Thread Andy obrien
Good point Skip, in this modern era with cabrillo files, it should be easy to do. On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 6:37 PM, KH6TY kh...@comcast.net wrote: There are VHF contests that are limited to only certain bands out of all available. There are HF contests for just phone, or CW or RTTY, so it

Re: [digitalradio] 7030 QRM

2009-11-23 Thread Andy obrien
I'm still guessing it was not ALE. On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Rick Karlquist rich...@karlquist.comwrote: Andy obrien wrote: Rick, not likely . ALE mostly uses 7040500 7065000 7099500 7102000 7110500 7185500 7296000 Actually, now that I think about it, I was trying

Re: [digitalradio] Disinformation about ALE by N5PVL Re: Getting serious about ALE / LID factor

2009-11-23 Thread Kurt Tuttle
Wow another rant. I don't care for contesting, but they are not the only QRM on the band. ALE can be, Winlids for sure but wait lets bring up cw and ssb, and of course AM, this is even during a contest. QRM is a way of life, get over it.   KT     --- On Mon, 11/23/09, expeditionradio

Re: [digitalradio] 13 pin DIN plug switch box?

2009-11-23 Thread Randy Hall
I built a box with lots on RCA jacks and got the 13P DIN breakout cable from MFJ. Add a couple of switches and be all set. Using the MFJ cable saves from having to solder pins on the high density 13 P DIN connector. LDG also sells a breakout box. Randy K7AGE

Re: [digitalradio] Moderator comments : Listen-Don't listen

2009-11-23 Thread Andy obrien
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 6:57 PM, KH6TY kh...@comcast.net wrote: Andy, I must respectfully disagree. A contester who calls CQ Contest is usually doing it on a frequency that is clear at the moment (at least at his location). If you think you can fit between signals, you have already

Re: [digitalradio] Moderator comments : Listen-Don't listen

2009-11-23 Thread Andy obrien
Unattended stations make no attempt to share at all, but assume the frequency is theirs whenever they want it, and actually they never know if it were clear or not, as they can just automatically transmit again until they are successful. This undermines the principle of shared frequencies, which

Re: [digitalradio] 13 pin DIN plug switch box?

2009-11-23 Thread Andy obrien
I want one too! On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Tony d...@optonline.net wrote: All, Does anyone know where I can find a 13 pin DIN plug switch box? I use the ACC2 socket on my Kenwood TS2000 to run sound card modes and connect my Kam Plus TNC. A switch would come in handy. Tony -K2MO

Re: [digitalradio] Moderator comments : Listen-Don't listen

2009-11-23 Thread Rick Karlquist
Andy obrien wrote: Before we go down the path of debating listen first or not. I will remind folks that most of the argument has been stated before. Aside from the legalities of the issue, there are camps that strongly advocate that every hams should also listen first and not transmit if

Re: [digitalradio] 7030 QRM

2009-11-23 Thread Dave Ackrill
OK, I give up. You don't seem able to make room for everyone. So, I'll sign out of all the WSPR and WSJT modes and will not recognise any of your modes. In the round, you may decide that I'm not worth worrying about. However, I will tell anyone who cares to ask about why I decided to tell

[digitalradio] Re: Moderator comments : Listen-Don't listen

2009-11-23 Thread expeditionradio
Skip KH6TY wrote: A contester who calls CQ Contest is usually doing it on a frequency that is clear at the moment Hi Skip, What planet do you live on? :) I want to live there in that mythical land, where all contesters get to transmit on clear frequencies. Don't get me wrong, I am not

[digitalradio] Re: HF International Automatic Subbands

2009-11-23 Thread expeditionradio
I would also like the ALE and digital community to recognise that they share the bands with everyone else Dave (G0DJA) Hi Dave, While I can't speak for the whole digital community, I can probably speak with some authority for the ALE community... ALE operators have been sharing the

[digitalradio] Re: Moderator comments : Listen-Don't listen

2009-11-23 Thread aa6yq
Bonnie your argument is some contesters and DXers QRM ongoing QSOs, so therefore its ok for ALL unattended stations to QRM ongoing QSOs. This is poor engineering; when we automate things, the idea is to automate good practice, not bad practice. You don't see anyone designing autopilots that can

Re: [digitalradio] 13 pin DIN plug switch box?

2009-11-23 Thread Don Rand
Look at the MFJ-1272B/M TNC Microphone Switch. I have no idea if it is what you are looking for, or if it would work, but Don KA5DON

[digitalradio] Re: HF International Automatic Subbands

2009-11-23 Thread aa6yq
During an emergency, no one has a problem ceding frequencies to emcomm stations; its like heading for the shoulder when you hear an ambulance while driving. When there's no emergency underway, however, the automatic bands are available to all amateur stations, not just unattended stations. Its

Re: [digitalradio] Re: HF International Automatic Subbands

2009-11-23 Thread David Struebel
Bonnie, Just a point... I don't believe the HF automatic sub bands are internationally recognized. To my knowledge it is only the FCC in the US that has set up these automatic control sub bands. 73 Dave WB2FTX - Original Message - From: expeditionradio To:

Re: [digitalradio] Re: HF International Automatic Subbands

2009-11-23 Thread Andy obrien
When there's no emergency underway, however, the automatic bands are available to all amateur stations, not just unattended stations. Its no more acceptable for unattended stations to QRM ongoing QSOs in the automatic bands than it is to QRM them anywhere else within the amateur spectrum.

Re: [digitalradio] Re: HF International Automatic Subbands

2009-11-23 Thread Charles Brabham
I agree 100% - and I operate an automated Packet station in one of the sub-bands. Fairly often, on weekends I see a good deal of RTTY contest activity there, and the RTTY guys have proven to be good nieghbors. I use MixW as an HF Packet modem, which allows me to open up a second or third

[digitalradio] Dx pile ups..

2009-11-23 Thread obrienaj
Bonnie said the same goes for DX pileups. Basically, a pileup is simply a contest where the number of possible contacts is 1 and the number of possible multipliers is 1. Everyone who enters the pileup contest is trying to out-QRM the other entrants, or in FCC parlance... to harmfully interfere

[digitalradio] Re: HF International Automatic Subbands

2009-11-23 Thread aa6yq
My recollection is that the discussions leading to the creation of the automatic sub-bands included expressions of the same concerns that continue to surface here: an operator in California who activates an unattended station in Denver can't know that the unattended station will QRM an ongoing

RE: [digitalradio] Dx pile ups..

2009-11-23 Thread Dave AA6YQ
In a DX pileup, calling on the same frequency that someone else is calling generally results in neither of you getting through, particularly if you are using a digital mode. The idea is to 1. understand the range of frequencies in which the DX station is listening 2. crop your callsign into a

[digitalradio] Digital busy detect

2009-11-23 Thread Charles Brabham
Packet radio gets by with a simple carrier detect, PACTOR can only detect other PACTOR stations, and from what I can tell, ALE has no busy detection at all. Several years ago I took a serious look at automated busy detection, and always ran across the same stone wall: A more sophisticated busy

RE: [digitalradio] Re: HF International Automatic Subbands

2009-11-23 Thread John Bradley
This is true that only the FCC has set up automatic sub-bands. Most other countries adhere to the RECOMMENDATIONS of the IARU with respect to where and how to operate but these do not carry the force of law. This, and years of good operating practices has defined band operations. In

RE: [digitalradio] Digital busy detect

2009-11-23 Thread Dave AA6YQ
Did you evaluate the busy frequency detector in Scamp, Charles? Have you evaluated the busy frequency detector in Winmor? 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Charles Brabham Sent: Monday,