Andy,
I now cannot see the previously seen randomness in the new 500 Hz-wide
mode of ROS, so it does not appear to be spread spectrum. In addition,
the addition of data now alters the idling carrier frequencies according
to the data, because if it did not, it would still fit one of the
Laws are laws, whether you like them or not. And, in this particular context,
is it actually necessary to go on the air to carry out experiments of this
type? As has been mentioned in several posts. there are ionospheric simulators
that permit the testing of different modes.
The amateur bands
Andy. Do you or anyone know if there is an Olivia DLL that can be used to add
Olivia support to a program, in a similar way to the PSK Core DLL made by
AE4JY? I know there is one that is used by MixW but I am not sure if it is only
for use with that package as I can't find any documentation on
But the situation where existing users of the bands suddenly have their
activities disrupted when people start going mad with some flavour of the month
new mode is unacceptable, and the controls the FCC exercise over amateurs in
the USA do at least go some way to prevent this.
This is why
I don't know of one. Pawel is a member of this group, so perhaps he can
chime in on this. To have one avaiable much like the PSK Core that Moe gave
the ham world, would be very nice.
Andy K3UK
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 4:27 AM, g4ilo jul...@g4ilo.com wrote:
Andy. Do you or anyone know if there
It has been a few years since Dominoex was added to our tool box. I
still see it on the air from time to time but not on a daily basis.
I wonder why it is not used ?
http://www.southgatearc.org/news/december2005/domino_ex.htm
Mark T Egan wrote:
Let's continue the experiment in the true spirit of HAM radio.
So far no one has tabled an actual piece of legal document stating the
legality of the mode. So continue to use the mode until otherwise told.
Mark (VK2KLJ)
I'm with you Mark,
Unfortunately I think that Jose
Simon Brown is finalising an important update to his SDR-Radio
application . It was targeted for release March 5th but the date has
been pushed back to March 6 or 7.. Check http://www.sdr-radio.com
and click on news for info.
\
Andy K3UK
FYI.
-- Forwarded message --
From: Bruce Brackin, N5SIX n5...@bellsouth.net
The PJ pages apparently went down last night. Use the nice backup
page(s) that Lee, AA1YN has.
http://www.aa1yn.com/vhf/vhfregister.html to register and set cookies
(like PJ) and then on to the ping
Dave AA6YQ wrote:
However the source of this proof would have to come from someone other than
the ROS developer, who now has no credibility with the FCC whatsoever.
Is that what the FCC said, or is that just your opinion, Dave?
Dave (G0DJA)
Alan . are 'we' the only stns with this problem ??
.. I dont see whats causing the problem .. I have tried to remove the
prog .. by removing the directroy and starting agen .. however the saved
info is still retained ... so how to fully remove ??
G ..
--- In
It is in use every Wednesday and Sunday on FM using DominoEX 8. Works
great with weak signals and multipath!
I think Olivia 16-500 stands up a little better on HF, especially with
atmospheric disturbances, but DominoEx 4 is better for FM SSB weak
signal work. It is disturbed too much by
Hi all
I the past days there has been a fair and square discussion about SS
and FCC rules. Maybe some is more Catholic than the pope when it comes
to arguing for the FCC rules, but that we have to tolerate .
Then a question about credibility comes into issue. It is no longer a
question about SS
From the ROS web page
(https://mail.google.com/mail/?hl=enshva=1#inbox/1272ea080e273b49) ,
alleging that the ARRL views Chip64 not legal on HF. The language is
rather odd though.
We read the information and reviewed the CHIP64 information yesterday
and have come to the same place as with ROS -
--- On Fri, 5/3/10, Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com wrote:
It has been a few years since
Dominoex was added to our tool box. I
still see it on the air from time to time but not on
a daily basis.
I wonder why it is not used ?
http://www.southgatearc.org/news/december2005/domino_ex.htm
I
The trivia question for today WHO was Olivia??
/paul W3FIS
From the author of ROS
As you know, this mode is being used by ARRL Virginia Section since 5 years
ago. Thats means que Dan Henderson recognizes that the ARRL has been committing
illegalities:
http://aresracesofva.org/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=88Itemid=95
For this reason, I
I hope the question is actually who IS rather than who WAS Olivia.
Andy K3UK
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Paul W. Ross deadgo...@... wrote:
The trivia question for today WHO was Olivia??
/paul W3FIS
I believe that Pawel named the Olivia mode in honor of his daughter.
73 - Skip KH6TY
obrienaj wrote:
I hope the question is actually who IS rather than who WAS Olivia.
Andy K3UK
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com, Paul W. Ross
deadgo...@...
All the ARRL announcement really does is reference the FCC statement of Feb.
23.
That statement said the FCC was not going to say if it considered ROS to be
spread spectrum. Individual operators were the ones responsible for making a
decision.
The FCC has never said ROS is illegal nor have
Beta test program announcement
*
fldigi / flarq http://www.w1hkj.com/Fldigi.html - digital
modem / ARQ file transfer
*
flwrap http://www.w1hkj.com/Flwrap/index.html - file
encapsulation / compression
*
flics
Amateur radio technology must not advance and we must continue to use only old
modes. Make sure we keep ham radio stagnant and only hope commercial businesses
move forward and kill our hobby
Bob, AA8X
.
- Original Message -
From: Dave Ackrill
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Hello All,
I have been trying to understand from the very beginning of this
circus what the real problem was and where I could read about it,
from 3d independant sources.
Jose the programmer has done a poor job in pinning down the core
of the problem.
Here is a reprint that for my limited
Olivia is my 7 days old daughter ! and not in honor to the radio digital
mode...hi hi hi...just a coincidence ;-)
73´s Good DX !!
Oscar Lama - CX1CW
MSN: oscar_l...@hotmail.com
MSN: cx...@hotmail.com
RGS#1300
EPC#7536
30MDG#2645
FD#2519
- Original Message -
From: Paul W.
I downloaded Pawel's source code for his text mode demo application and despite
not knowing C++ managed eventually to compile and run it under Linux. However I
understand that on Windows it must run under CygWin or MinGW which are a kind
of Linux emulation. So quite a lot of work would need to
Probably ROS will meet the same fate, even if US hams could use it. This
ROS mania is ridiculous, and I think it will go the same way as MFSK,
Domino, etc. PSK31 and RTTY will still rule the day.
73 Buddy WB4M
It has been a few years since Dominoex was added to our tool box. I
still see
Why, given all that has happened, should one believe anything that is posted on
that web site regarding the FCC?
As for those trying to justify the developer's behaviour, I don't see it. Peter
G3PLX, Nino IZ8BLY and others managed to develop and introduce new modes
without any of this kind of
Did you delete the ROS.ini File in the Windows directoty?
-Original Message-
From: graham787 g0...@hotmail.com
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 3/5/10 6:37 AM
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS Soundcard select .. missing tx option for
usb card
Alan . are 'we' the only stns
I believe skip is right. Some time ago Simon Brown had answered that
question, but he did say he believed Olivia Jalocha was Pavel's daughter.
Don
KA5DON
Thanks Dave, nice additions.
Andy K3UK
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, w1hkj w1...@... wrote:
Beta test program announcement
*
fldigi / flarq http://www.w1hkj.com/Fldigi.html - digital
modem / ARQ file transfer
*
flwrap
Hi Andy,
Mo idea, suspect it got lost to many in the mode-maze. I still use it from
time to time; efficient, narrow and extremely tolerant of tuning error; works
well in FM usage also...
73,
Bill N9DSJ
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andy obrien k3uka...@... wrote:
It has been a few
The link on the 2005 Southgate apge should now read:
http://www.qsl.net/zl1bpu/MFSK/DEX.htm
73 Trevor M5AKA
--- On Fri, 5/3/10, Trevor . m5...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
From: Trevor . m5...@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Dominoex revisited
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday,
That is my understanding...
/paul W3FIS
Someone really should try to find out whether this Jose has a call. Because if
he isn't a licensed ham he hasn't much to lose by any trouble he causes.
I did try, but failed. But if he has a call, why does he keep it a secret?
Julian, G4ILO
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Steinar
AA6YQ comments below.
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Dave Ackrill
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 3:14 AM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] FCC on ROS post on ARRL website!
Dave AA6YQ wrote:
However the
Hi Trevor.
In my opinion, your points are very well taken.
It appears to me strange, at best, that an US federal branch is
using an hobby club with a membership ratio of some 50 % of
the total US population to communicate via thatclub matters
of law.
Even with the 50 % membership, the
Julian,
thanks for your comments.
Yes, laws are laws.
Also the Hammurabi rule If a man puts out the eye of an equal, his eye shall
be put out was a law but I don't think that it would be of great help in our
modern society.
I agree with you that simulations should be performed prior to any
Dave,
You make good points, and you've already hugely contributed and continue
to contribute to Ham Radio, so I don't mean to question you. But if the
FCC agent does not consider us Hams a bunch of squabbling children, I
guess we are lucky. We sure look that way to me. I am deeply
disappointed
Dave -
I completely disagree with you.
You say 'you' are now just one amongst many against him. Most of the
folks that Jose has been raging against on this list have actually been
trying to help him.
73,
Mike, KL7MJ
-- Forwarded message --
From: wpanb...@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:02 PM
Subject: [wpaNBEMS] Ragchew, 3/6/2010, 11:00 am
To: wpanb...@yahoogroups.com
Reminder from: *wpaNBEMS Yahoo!
Grouphttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/wpaNBEMS/cal
* Title: Ragchew
When does the FCC publish that a group of squabling HAM's claimed it was
illegal according to agent 3820 of the FCC? Because that is what started it...
And why would you advise other HAMS to not use ROS, when this is not based on
any HAM radio related argument, and not based on ROS being
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, g4ilo jul...@... wrote:
..
Well I guess now it's immaterial to you guys anyway. What I don't understand
is why anyone still wants to use the mode. The developer has made threats to
other amateurs, he has posted false information on his website and risked
AA6YQ comments below
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of J. Moen
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:11 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Re: Statement on Withdrawal of Support for ROS
(K3UK Sked Pages)
Dave,
The FCC is very slow to respond to anything related amateur radio. In other
words we're a very minor player in the scheme of things. I for one will refrain
from using ROS below 222Mhz until it is approved because my license is more
valuable to me . Everyone is entitled to their own opinion
On 03/04/2010 07:44 AM, g4ilo wrote:
I thought you were in Region 2. I have the Region 2 band plan in front of me
right off the IARU site and it definitely says All Modes in all of the
sections right up to 14.350. I don't see any division at 14.150 at all. In
any case, I don't think you'd
Mike N4QLB's claims that A frequency in Ham radio consist of a 3kh wide
channel. Ros does not signal a receiver to hop outside of that channel (3
Khz) therefore it is not SS and is just like anyother FSK mode used in the
amatuer radio service. are incorrect, in my opinion.
Amateur radio
Andy, since you have chosen to moderate very specific posts to slant the
discussion in favor of your own agenda, and that of several prominent other
frequent posters, this reflector has become effectively useless to me. It is
unfortunate that it comes to this. I know you do not care who you
Good riddance!
73 - Skip KH6TY
John wrote:
Andy, since you have chosen to moderate very specific posts to slant
the discussion in favor of your own agenda, and that of several
prominent other frequent posters, this reflector has become
effectively useless to me. It is unfortunate that
Are you on a witch hunt, John?
I did nothing but analyze ROS with FSK and present the findings to this
group. On the basis of the ROS emissions, all other facts brought up
here that you allude to are irrelevant. The signature of the ROS mode
clearly fits the definition of Frequency Hopping
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