RE: [digitalradio] SS and the FCC definitions

2010-07-14 Thread Lester Veenstra
And the mis-information continues: I did not state that Spread Spectrum does comprise a means of encrypting. Lester B Veenstra MØYCM K1YCM mailto:les...@veenstras.com les...@veenstras.com mailto:m0...@veenstras.com m0...@veenstras.com mailto:k1...@veenstras.com k1...@veenstras.com

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Random data vs Spread Spectrum

2010-07-14 Thread KH6TY
Alan, Thanks for taking the time for a comprehensive reply! Remembering what happens during a contest with overcrowding made me wonder. The problem is that, with stations operating all independently, it is difficult to determine when throughput drops to the point it is not worth the effort.

[digitalradio] Why even use SS, a waste of resources?

2010-07-14 Thread Lester Veenstra
Now let’s cut to the chase: THE USE OF SPREADSPECTRUM, THAT IS, THE USE OF BANDWIDTH EXPANSION TECHNIQUES BY ADDING PSEUDORANDOM DATA, NOT CREATED FROM THE USER INPUT INFORMATION DATA, IS OF NO ADVANTAGE IN IMPROVING THE END TO END PERFORMANCE OF A LINK, WHEN COMPARED WITH PROPERLY SELECTED

Re: [digitalradio] Why even use SS, a waste of resources?

2010-07-14 Thread KH6TY
Lester, Months of testing of all available modes on a 200 mile, weak signal, path on 432 MHz support what you say. Contestia (or Olivia, but slower) has surfaced as the most reliable mode we have found in the difficult environment of signals marginally above the noise, fading (QSB) as deep

[digitalradio] Re: Random data vs Spread Spectrum

2010-07-14 Thread g4ilo
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, J. Moen j...@... wrote: I think if 3 kHz SSB is ok, that 2.25 kHz modes (ROS as an example) should be ok, as long as the frequencies chosen are prudent for the band and time of time. I agree, if people had more flexibility as to where to operate it

[digitalradio] Re: Random data vs Spread Spectrum

2010-07-14 Thread g4ilo
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Alan Barrow ml9...@... wrote: Here we disagree somewhat. I would mostly agree for areas like 40m, especially if multiple channels were used like ROS did. But I don't agree that a new otherwise legal mode that is SSB width should be excluded just because

Re: [digitalradio] Digitsl modes?

2010-07-14 Thread Rein Couperus
Thats the OTH radar on Cyprus. Rein PA0R Hi. Listening on 30 meter tonight, I noticed signals as in here: http://www.nitehawk.com/rasmit/ros/websdr1.jpg http://www.nitehawk.com/rasmit/ros/websdr3.jpg (1) see at 10.120 KHz and between 10.110 and 10.114 KHz These type of signals are also often

Re: [digitalradio] New question

2010-07-14 Thread Dave Wright
Wasn't that part of the infamous fake FCC response that Jose posted on his website? On Jul 14, 2010, at 1:38 AM, Rein A wrote: Noticed this statement in a report of an exchange with a custom agent at FCC: ROS is not Spread Spectrum because the 3khz HF standard channel is maintained.

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Random data vs Spread Spectrum

2010-07-14 Thread Lester Veenstra
Alan: For what reason (technical advantage) would you advocate the use of SS at HF. (My apologies, if I am off base, for assuming that you would advocate the use of SS, by the “lost cause” descriptor) . Les Lester B Veenstra MØYCM K1YCM mailto:les...@veenstras.com

Re: [digitalradio] New question

2010-07-14 Thread Steinar Aanesland
Hello friends, I don't know about you , but I feel it is time to leave Jose and his ROS mode now. He doesn't deserve that much attention. la5vna Steinar On 14.07.2010 12:06, Dave Wright wrote: Wasn't that part of the infamous fake FCC response that Jose posted on his website? On Jul

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Random data vs Spread Spectrum

2010-07-14 Thread KH6TY
Julian, The other side of the coin is that we must share frequencies (because there is limited space), so in order to do that, it is necessary to be able to understand a request to QSY or a QRL. When there was only CW and phone, this was always possible, but with digital modes, if you do not

AW: [digitalradio] Digitsl modes?

2010-07-14 Thread Siegfried Jackstien
Looks like a drm signal or digital sstv . do not know hat it is but somethink like that!

[digitalradio] New file uploaded to digitalradio

2010-07-14 Thread digitalradio
Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the digitalradio group. File: /ROS v1.0.zip Uploaded by : dg9bfc siegfried.jackst...@freenet.de Description : OLD ROS 1.0 You can access this file at the URL:

Re: AW: [digitalradio] Digitsl modes?

2010-07-14 Thread rein0zn
Tnx Sigi, Are those amateur transmissions? Look to me as occupying quite a few channels and that is done on 30m ? 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@freenet.de Sent: Jul 14, 2010 12:26 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: AW:

Re: [digitalradio] New question

2010-07-14 Thread rein0zn
Hello Steinar, It is gaining in usage and popularity. Even the spam messages do not seem to make a difference. I for one, thought it would, wrong again! Amateur Radio a la 2010 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no Sent: Jul 14, 2010 10:58 AM

Re: [digitalradio] Digitsl modes?

2010-07-14 Thread rein0zn
Hi Rein, Thanks, much somebody mentioned that earlier I think PE9PE Rob in Zoetermeer. We did not discuss the actual signature. No amateur transmission obviously! tnx 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Rein Couperus r...@couperus.com Sent: Jul 14, 2010 9:24 AM To:

[digitalradio] Re: Random data vs Spread Spectrum

2010-07-14 Thread g4ilo
I agree. Which is why people using ROS with a program that supported no other mode (nor RSID) caused such a conflict with people running other software that supported anything but ROS. Julian, G4ILO --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, KH6TY kh...@... wrote: Julian, The other side of the

[digitalradio] ROS Returns

2010-07-14 Thread Steinar Aanesland
ROS v4.7.0 Beta is out.. http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/ S

Re: [digitalradio] New question

2010-07-14 Thread Steinar Aanesland
Hi Rain I meant on this forum ;) la5vna Steinar On 14.07.2010 18:20, rein...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Hello Steinar, It is gaining in usage and popularity. Even the spam messages do not seem to make a difference. I for one, thought it would, wrong again! Amateur Radio a la 2010 73

Re: [digitalradio] New question

2010-07-14 Thread Jeff Moore
What are you basing that statement on??The Hamspots page? You need to take a look at the left column - see the red squares? That indicates that the spot was auto-generated by the ROS software -- BOGUS spots! The real spots are the ones w/o the red square - I didn't see more than a

[digitalradio] Need states for TPA

2010-07-14 Thread Vlad_UA6JD
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Re: [digitalradio] New question

2010-07-14 Thread rein0zn
Jeff, I am monitoring it Few amateurs are, I believe. Few amateurs ever tried it. I used it before the illegal ruling came. ( My opinion ) You have to listen abroad to hear/see the activity. I would say in spite of the actions by rhe author. Users seem to like it. I like it. Nobody else

Re: [digitalradio] ROS Returns

2010-07-14 Thread F.R. Ashley
Whats so dang fantastic about ROS anyway, that it deserves pages and pages of emails about it? Remember that other new digital mode a few months ago, and how great it was, or have you forgotten abouit it already? 73 Buddy WB4M RTTY forever - Original Message - From: Steinar Aanesland

Re: [digitalradio] ROS Returns

2010-07-14 Thread James Hall
What mode are you talking about? I'm interested. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:59 PM, F.R. Ashley gda...@clearwire.net wrote: Whats so dang fantastic about ROS anyway, that it deserves pages and pages of emails about it? Remember that other new digital mode a few months ago, and how great it

Re: [digitalradio] ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-14 Thread J. Moen
Your Subject says ROS is better. Where can I read about the changes and improvements? Can users control whether ROS should generate the artificial spots? Jim - K6JM - Original Message - From: Peter L. Jackson To: * Digitalradio Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 6:37 PM