Re: [digitalradio] Another plug for JT65A ... the spectrum efficient mode

2010-03-24 Thread Rein Couperus
Spectrum efficiency must be measured in time necessary to get the info across, length of info transferred, and bandwidth. ((characters/second)/ bandwidth) or characters/(seconds * bandwidth). The bandwidth includes a certain guard band(minimum distance between 2 different  signals), which for

Re: [digitalradio] Another plug for JT65A ... the spectrum efficient mode

2010-03-24 Thread KH6TY
But if the path S/N is so poor that you cannot get the message across at all, isn't the spectrum efficiency zero? ;-) 73 - Skip KH6TY Rein Couperus wrote: Spectrum efficiency must be measured in time necessary to get the info across, length of info transferred, and bandwidth.

Re: [digitalradio] Another plug for JT65A ... the spectrum efficient mode

2010-03-24 Thread Andy obrien
Good point. What you have defined , Rein,is the occupancy efficiency in terms of time.. I was measuring efficiency in terms of bandwidth used. Obviously the othe rmeasure is wether the message was deleivered. Using 5 watts for a 300-400 miles trasmission on 80M at night , PSK250 may have needed

Re: [digitalradio] Another plug for JT65A ... the spectrum efficient mode

2010-03-24 Thread Rein Couperus
Hi Andy, well, I don't agree... as soon as you talk efficiency, you have to define what that means. For me bandwidth efficiency is 3-dimensional, it defines how much information can be  transferred within a certain time span, within a certain bandwidth. JT65A works with 65 frequencies, which

[digitalradio] Another plug for JT65A ... the spectrum efficient mode

2010-03-23 Thread Andy obrien
I know many are already aware of this, but take a look N9DSJ-1 (EN52ti) Heard N6TE(DM12) on 3576.23 KHz -8dB at 03:32:00Z using JT65A N9DSJ-1 (EN52ti) Heard K3UK(FN02) on 3575.99 KHz -5dB at 03:32:00Z using JT65A Bill N9DSJ decoded two stations within 24 Hz of each other, how is that for