On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, at 11:49 AM, Dave Crocker wrote:
> On 8/5/2023 9:30 AM, Jesse Thompson wrote:
> > Governance seems like the best word to me, since Governance is what
> > Reporting has provided to ADs in Monitoring Mode, but I do not want to
> > say DMARG out loud either :-)
>
> Here, too,
On 8/5/2023 5:06 PM, Tim Wicinski wrote:
The former resonates with harried admins, while the later is useful
to implementers.
Providing a definition that is at odds with established meaning for a
word is something that can work tech geeks but is counter-productive
when applied for others.
On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 7:38 PM Dave Crocker wrote:
> On 8/5/2023 4:23 PM, Neil wrote:
>
> Also, we understand who our audiences are in reality. Sometimes it’ll be
> a harried admin skimming the RFC, and others will take the time to do a
> deep dive. Even the harried admin scanning today might
On Saturday, August 5, 2023 7:38:21 PM EDT Dave Crocker wrote:
> On 8/5/2023 4:23 PM, Neil wrote:
> > > The language used for DMARC has always been problematic. "Policy"
> > >
> > > implies control, but the domain owner has no control over the receiving
> > > platform. Quarantine and Reject
On 8/5/2023 4:23 PM, Neil wrote:
> The language used for DMARC has always been problematic. "Policy"
> implies control, but the domain owner has no control over the receiving
> platform. Quarantine and Reject declare control that also does not
exist.
Suppose you set a policy of p=reject
From: Dave Crocker
Date: Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 9:49 AM
To: Jesse Thompson , Neil
Cc: Todd Herr , IETF DMARC WG
Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Idle Musings - Why Is It DMARC and not DMARD?
> The language used for DMARC has always been problematic. "Policy"
> implies control
On Aug 5, 2023, at 12:57 PM, Benny Pedersen wrote:
>
> Dave Crocker skrev den 2023-08-05 18:49:
>
>>> Governance seems like the best word to me, since Governance is what
>>> Reporting has provided to ADs in Monitoring Mode, but I do not want to say
>>> DMARG out loud either :-)
>> Here, too,
Dave Crocker skrev den 2023-08-05 18:49:
Governance seems like the best word to me, since Governance is what
Reporting has provided to ADs in Monitoring Mode, but I do not want to
say DMARG out loud either :-)
Here, too, the domain owner does not govern the platform receiver.
good news for
On 8/5/2023 9:30 AM, Jesse Thompson wrote:
Conformance has a synonym Compliance, which may be a reason why people
in the ranks of Security and Compliance in "general purpose" Author
Domains fixate on p=quarantine|reject as a rubric to assess their
perceived security posture without any
On Sun, Jul 23, 2023, at 4:38 PM, Neil Anuskiewicz wrote:
> > On Jun 30, 2023, at 11:33 AM, Dave Crocker wrote:
> > > On 6/30/2023 11:22 AM, Todd Herr wrote:
> >> Why is the mechanism called "Domain-based Message Authentication,
> >> Reporting, and Conformance" and not "Domain-based Message
> On Jun 30, 2023, at 11:33 AM, Dave Crocker wrote:
>
> On 6/30/2023 11:22 AM, Todd Herr wrote:
>> Why is the mechanism called "Domain-based Message Authentication, Reporting,
>> and Conformance" and not "Domain-based Message Authentication, Reporting,
>> and Disposition"?
>
> Say DMARC
Great question.
I’ve been around since the beginning as a very strong DKIM Policy advocate,
watching everything, my dumb attempt to summarize:
1) The idea of “reporting” was considered a testing thing. Redundant,.
DomainKeys and DKIM had -t test keys. I believed and others as well, felt
Given Todd's comment that "DMAR" is well defined, but "C" is not-- is it
worth explanatory text in the document? I don't think there's any real
confusion about what Conformance means. Is it a weird gap to leave while
we're updating the document, or does no one think it matters?
On Fri, Jun 30,
On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 2:31 PM Murray S. Kucherawy
wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 11:22 AM Todd Herr 40valimail@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>
>> Why is the mechanism called "Domain-based Message Authentication,
>> Reporting, and Conformance" and not "Domain-based Message Authentication,
>>
On 6/30/2023 11:22 AM, Todd Herr wrote:
Why is the mechanism called "Domain-based Message Authentication,
Reporting, and Conformance" and not "Domain-based Message
Authentication, Reporting, and Disposition"?
Say DMARC out loud. Now say DMARD out loud.
d/
--
Dave Crocker
dcroc...@gmail.com
On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 11:22 AM Todd Herr wrote:
> Why is the mechanism called "Domain-based Message Authentication,
> Reporting, and Conformance" and not "Domain-based Message Authentication,
> Reporting, and Disposition"? Perhaps a better question, why is
> "conformance" in the name of the
Genuine curiosity question here for those who were around at the
beginning...
Why is the mechanism called "Domain-based Message Authentication,
Reporting, and Conformance" and not "Domain-based Message Authentication,
Reporting, and Disposition"? Perhaps a better question, why is
"conformance" in
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