Re: [Elecraft] A Clarification: IC-7300 vs FTDX10

Hi Phil Buying the IC-7300 was definitely a descent . Barry VK2BJ On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 at 10:12, Phil Hystad via Elecraft < elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote: > I answered that question two years ago and it cost me about $200. > > I bought a 7300 because I thought it would be a descent backup to

[Elecraft] KPA500/KAT500 With a Yaesu FTDX10

If you are using a Yaesu FTDX10, especially with a KPA500 and KAT500, please get in touch. Richard Kunc W4KBX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:

Re: [Elecraft] Giving Up

On 6/8/2021 12:25 PM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote: Not so, Doug. My K3, including accessories and filters, was $4,500 in 2007. That's $5,722 in today's dollars. A K4 with all its advanced technology at $4,600 (your quote) is a steal compared to a K3. The word "expensive" can be applied to the K4

[Elecraft] Yaesu to KPA500

The pinouts for making your own cable to link a non-K3 radio to your KPA500 amp are shown on pages 26 and 27 of the KPA500 manual. The Icom version works fine; I made one. However, the Yaesu pinouts are for the 8-pin sockets on older Yaesus; the newer ones have 13-pin sockets. What are the

[Elecraft] Receiver performance

I took a different approach.   Using the Sherwood Receiver test data, I made an XL spreadsheet based on the 8 columns of data.  Then each line of data listed 10 or so radios (I could have gone further but 10 was clearly enough) that had the best performance in each of the data groups.  

Re: [Elecraft] Gurus

I'm gonna second "above all, have fun"! If it brings you joy to have the highest performing rig you can, cool, and I hope it serves you well. But if a different aspect of a radio, or even one you can't name, brings you joy, that's also cool, and I'm happy it makes you happy! My KX3 isn't at the

Re: [Elecraft] W2

Just to wrap up this question for the benefit of anyone else who is interested or may search for this later… Jack’s response prompted me to go back and take a second look at the schematics for the couplers. Somehow I missed this the first time through, but it would appear that the coupler will

[Elecraft] Gurus

When this subject appeared last week I had composed a reply but then slept on it and canceled it the next morning, as I probably do 80% of the time. In this my second attempt, let me say that I've always been amazed at the power wielded by Rob Sherwood. Thousands of hams hang on his latest

Re: [Elecraft] A Clarification: IC-7300 vs FTDX10

Yes John K7FD > On Jun 8, 2021, at 4:59 PM, Bert wrote: > > Here is the $ 64.000 question: > > Do you think you can work more stations with a K3 vs a 7300 > everything else being equal, antennas, location, etc.? > > Bert VE3NR > > > >> On 2021-06-08 19:52, Ray wrote: >> >> Like the Old

Re: [Elecraft] Receiving with Skimmer SDR on K-3 transmit antennas

I documented the procedure about 13 years ago in this presentation, linked at the very bottom of my QRZ.COM page , which includes the recommended Mini-Circuits 50 ohm splitter (ZFSC-2-6 ). - Adding a Software

Re: [Elecraft] A Clarification: IC-7300 vs FTDX10

You are describing a pure ADC front in radio...7300,7610 and now K4. The K4 might be better. The K3 is NOT an ADC front end and neither is the FTDX10 or the FTDX101 or the Kenwood 890. I have not had a 6600M at a FD site. But if I did, the antennas separating them would be the max allowable

Re: [Elecraft] Other Radio lists thoughts.

I dunno, this seems like it's worth trying. I think there are roughly these steps: 1. Identify the radios we care about. Icom, Kenwood, Yaesu, Elecraft, and FlexRadio's current HF offerings, plus the cult favorite Xiegu G90, seem like a good place to start. 2. Identify the controls we care

Re: [Elecraft] Other Radio lists thoughts.

In the biz I was in, and the FDA, call this usability and human factors.  On Tuesday, June 8, 2021, 6:50:29 PM MDT, w2xj wrote: Sounds unwieldily to me.  > On June 8, 2021 8:14 PM Thomas Warren wrote: > >  > Speaking of the Sherwood RX list, someone mentioned producing

Re: [Elecraft] Other Radio lists thoughts.

Sounds unwieldily to me. > On June 8, 2021 8:14 PM Thomas Warren wrote: > > > Speaking of the Sherwood RX list, someone mentioned producing additional > lists…here is some food for discussion….. possibly not on this list. > > List 1) Radio Receiver (RX) …..already exists. > > List 2)

Re: [Elecraft] A Clarification: IC-7300 vs FTDX10

FD is only once a year!! ;-)) Bert VE3NR On 2021-06-08 20:32, Jim Brown wrote: On 6/8/2021 4:58 PM, Bert wrote: Do you think you can work more stations with a K3 vs a 7300 everything else being equal, antennas, location, etc.? I have seen reports that the 7300 is a dog at FD 73, Jim K9YC

Re: [Elecraft] A Clarification: IC-7300 vs FTDX10

On 6/8/2021 4:58 PM, Bert wrote: Do you think you can work more stations with a K3 vs a 7300 everything else being equal, antennas, location, etc.? I have seen reports that the 7300 is a dog at FD 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing

Re: [Elecraft] Other Radio lists thoughts.

I'd *love* to see a structured look at radio UI. My girlfriend just got an IC-7300, and I couldn't help but notice that my KX3, a "portable" radio, had more physical controls, more of which were explicitly labeled. On the -7300, I have to guess which of four buttons a given setting is behind. I'm

Re: [Elecraft] Other Radio lists thoughts.

Sounds good, when are you going to start the list? BillKC4IM > On Jun 8, 2021, at 8:14 PM, Thomas Warren wrote: > > Speaking of the Sherwood RX list, someone mentioned producing additional > lists…here is some food for discussion….. possibly not on this list. > > List 1) Radio Receiver

[Elecraft] K3 and DEMI/Q5 Transverters.

Just to mirror what Ed mentioned… I have my complete 160 - 5G station running off of my K3 bought in 2011 and upgraded. I have the internal 144 transverter which had to go back 3 times to get spurs sorted out. One think I note, is signal compression as I have pagers just below 144 Mhz and when

Re: [Elecraft] A Clarification: IC-7300 vs FTDX10

I went to a radio store to see what all the hubbub was about the FTDX10. I came prepared to test the radio. After having downloaded the manual and reading it through 3 or 4 times getting the menus, setting, knobs, filtering, general settings well in my head, I went to the store and turned one on

Re: [Elecraft] W2

I believe the answer is yes. The schematics for the W2 and couplers are in the manual. 73, Jack, W6FB > On Jun 8, 2021, at 5:00 PM, David Herring wrote: > > Can anyone say if the directional couplers for the W2 will pass a DC bias > voltage along the coax? > > 73, > David - N5DCH > > >

[Elecraft] Other Radio lists thoughts.

Speaking of the Sherwood RX list, someone mentioned producing additional lists…here is some food for discussion….. possibly not on this list. List 1) Radio Receiver (RX) …..already exists. List 2) Radio Transmitter (TX)…..already suggested. List 3) Radio Ergonomics (RE) - a list of what is

Re: [Elecraft] A Clarification: IC-7300 vs FTDX10

I answered that question two years ago and it cost me about $200. I bought a 7300 because I thought it would be a descent backup to my K-line (K3). Two months after I bought it, I sold it for a net $200 loss. I did the test that Don outlines in his message quoted below. I searched for weak CW

[Elecraft] W2

Can anyone say if the directional couplers for the W2 will pass a DC bias voltage along the coax? 73, David - N5DCH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:

Re: [Elecraft] A Clarification: IC-7300 vs FTDX10

Here is the $ 64.000 question: Do you think you can work more stations with a K3 vs a 7300 everything else being equal, antennas, location, etc.? Bert VE3NR On 2021-06-08 19:52, Ray wrote: Like the Old Saying…… If you cant Hear them You cant Work them………. That is WHY that is a $1000.00

Re: [Elecraft] A Clarification: IC-7300 vs FTDX10

Like the Old Saying…… If you cant Hear them You cant Work them………. That is WHY that is a $1000.00 Radio. Good Luck Hunting the DX…… Ray WA6VAB K3 From: Don Wilhelm Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 4:35 PM To: Richard; Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A Clarification: IC-7300 vs FTDX10 Richard and

Re: [Elecraft] A Clarification: IC-7300 vs FTDX10

Richard and all, I have a friend who bought a K3s and then afterward bought an IC-7300.  He is a weak signal CW type of guy and reports that there are many weak signals that he could copy on the K3, but were non-existent on the IC-7300. His reason for buying the IC-7300 had to do with

[Elecraft] A Clarification: IC-7300 vs FTDX10

Assuming you're a casual rawchewer and DXer, if you had an IC-7300 and an FTDX10 side by side, where would they be pretty much equal, and where would each outshine the other? Think in terms of using them with a KPA500 and a KAT500. Richard Kunc ~ W4KBX

[Elecraft] Apples and Pomegranates

For the casual rawchewer and DXer, how does the IC-7300 compare to the FTDX10? Think in terms of using them with a KPA500 and a KAT500. Richard Kunc ~ W4KBX __ Elecraft mailing list Home:

Re: [Elecraft] Giving Up

On 6/8/2021 12:49 PM, George Thornton wrote: I think it is correct to say the basic k4 does not exceed the K3 raw performance (based on the Sherwood engineering standard) Paraphrasing the late Dick Heyser, trying to define a product on the basis of a single parameter is like trying to write

Re: [Elecraft] Giving Up

I have kind of given up, too. I did a no deposit order just about this time 2 years ago. I recently bought an IC-7610. I guess I'll see what I will do when they call me to tell me my order is ready. John N1JM Wes Stewart-2 wrote > Except the OP gave up on waiting. > > I did too.  I haven't

Re: [Elecraft] Giving Up

Except the OP gave up on waiting. I did too.  I haven't cancelled my no-deposit K4 order, but I turn 80 later this year and I wanted a new radio before then.  So I bought a TS-890S.  It too is a single-receiver box.  But, I'm two away from top of the Honor Roll and have 9-band DXCC all from

Re: [Elecraft] Giving Up

Performance simply is not the issue here. Elecraft has made a marketing decision to market one radio and it is priced in the middle of the Ham-consumer pack with other radios with similar performance. They have opted to skip the entry-level market (like Icom with the 7300 that you can get for

Re: [Elecraft] Giving Up

My FTdx010d has no problems. Carl Yaffey K8NU 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.bluesswing.com http://www.timbrewolvesband.com http://www.folkramblers.carl-yaffey.com Http:www.clintonvillegrass.com > On Jun 8, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Wes wrote: > > Except all of that

Re: [Elecraft] Giving Up

Except all of that has been fixed in later offerings. On 6/8/2021 10:47 AM, Jim Brown wrote: On 6/8/2021 3:00 AM, Igor Sokolov wrote: FTDX10 which sounds like a good value for money. Except that Yaesu radios have a long history of generating nasty clicks, and have more recently

Re: [Elecraft] Giving Up

I think it is correct to say the basic k4 does not exceed the K3 raw performance (based on the Sherwood engineering standard) but I think the results are pretty close for practical purposes. I would not say the K4 is materially worse. I think it would be up to individual K3 owners to decide

Re: [Elecraft] K3s and DEMI transverter

Previous to 2010, I was using a FT-847 for 50,144,432 MHz and a DEMI on 1296 with 144 IF. That was the year I bought my K3-10* (since updated with new synth).  I bought DEMI 144-28, 222-28, 432-28* and 1296-28 transverters as better design filtered LO better making 28-MHz a good choice for

Re: [Elecraft] Giving Up

Except that the K4 (not K4HD) does not equal the K3 for raw performance.  The K4HD with equivalent performance and accessories is going to cost a fortune, with the extra cost going mostly into creature features. And you're forgetting comparison to rigs from other manufacturers. If you

Re: [Elecraft] Giving Up

I don't know the FTDX10 but it looks like it has a single receiver and can't be updated. I note these Yaesu rigs seem to have crystal filters and use a combination of superhet and direct sampling architecture whereas the K4D is direct sampling. I would hold off on reaching conclusions on

Re: [Elecraft] Giving Up

I run a FTDX101 MP-no SSB splatter ( 20W/65W), no CW clicks (6ms)- May 2021 FW update implemented. Latest issue of QST (June) ARRL Lab: Test Report - Review on FTDX10 does not confirm clicks or SSB splatter. Tnx, Cu, vy 73 de Andy HB9CVQ, DK2VQ, AK4IG https://www.qrz.com/db/HB9CVQ

Re: [Elecraft] Giving Up

This is not like a departure in a plane from O’Hare airport. You do not have to announce your intentions before leaving here. Thank You. > On Jun 8, 2021, at 11:47, Jim Brown wrote: > > On 6/8/2021 3:00 AM, Igor Sokolov wrote: >> FTDX10 which sounds like a good value for money. > > Except

Re: [Elecraft] Giving Up

On 6/8/2021 7:30 AM, Rick Tavan wrote: Rob Sherwood's data is excellent. When studying Rob's work, remember that his table only addresses RECEIVE performance. He has only very recently begun to look at transmit quality. 73, Jim K9YC

Re: [Elecraft] Giving Up

On 6/8/2021 3:00 AM, Igor Sokolov wrote: FTDX10 which sounds like a good value for money. Except that Yaesu radios have a long history of generating nasty clicks, and have more recently established the reputation of severe splatter on SSB. 73, Jim K9YC

Re: [Elecraft] Giving Up

Not so, Doug. My K3, including accessories and filters, was $4,500 in 2007. That's $5,722 in today's dollars. A K4 with all its advanced technology at $4,600 (your quote) is a steal compared to a K3. The word "expensive" can be applied to the K4 (or any product) only when answering the

[Elecraft] Musings about appreciating a particular difference in rx perfomance

Hi, all concerned: The performance that cinched the K3 tight for me years ago was using it on contest-grade antennas 1 to 3 hops from some of those remarkably loud W2-W3-W8 CW DX contest stations on 40-80-160M. Using the 200Hz narrow filter in the K3, I could hear weaker CW sigs, with no keying

Re: [Elecraft] Giving Up

I would not exactly call this giving up. Would I like to have a K4? Sure, but I wouldn’t know what to do with it . . . KX2 + KXPA100 + a wire in a tree is more than enough for me. Just my two cents. Keeping Watch - shu Joe Shuman, NZ8P

[Elecraft] For Sale: K1 & K2 packages from late estate soon available

I will have both a K1 and a K2 with EC2-KPA100/KAT100 shortly. If you are interested in either (not both please), let me know and I'll give you what information I presently have with pictures to follow as soon as I have them. These are pristine and will priced accordingly. No PAYPAL on these,

Re: [Elecraft] KV5J's line of Remote Digital Displays for Elecraft's W2, KXPA100, KPA500, KAT500 and KPA1500

Free shipping to continue thru June.  Keith, KV5J http://www.kv5j.com On Wednesday, May 12, 2021, 09:37:35 AM CDT, Keith Ennis wrote: Free shipping for the month of May.  Use SHIPFREE code when ordering.  Keith, KV5J http://www.kv5j.com/store On Thursday, April 29, 2021,

Re: [Elecraft] Giving Up

Hopefully Elecraft will put a priority on pre-distortion which will vault the K4/KPA1500 combo to the top on the transmitter performance list. Only the Anan rigs from Apache Labs employs pre-distortion now. 73, Bill WE5P Comfortably Numb > On Jun 8, 2021, at 10:31, Rick Tavan wrote: > >

Re: [Elecraft] Giving Up

Rob Sherwood's data is excellent. The problem is hams thinking the order of listing is based on an overall figure of merit. It is *not*. Rob had to choose *one column* on which to sort his list. When he first published it, he chose third-order dynamic range (narrow spaced), probably because many

Re: [Elecraft] Receiving with Skimmer SDR on K-3 transmit antennas

I've done exactly that! The only issue is that the local transmit signal is very strong. Although I haven't done this yet, it'd be nice to use a relay to insert some additional attenuation during transmit. -de John NI0K rural Debs, MN N4ZR wrote on 6/7/2021 8:49 PM: I would like to be able to

Re: [Elecraft] Giving Up

I am afraid K4HD is going to be even more expensive and when compared performance/features/price ratio with FTDX101 that has the same architecture Elecraft K4HD does not look to me like a good investment. I will keep my K3 and KX3 though and will possibly consider FTDX10 which sounds like a

Re: [Elecraft] Giving Up

I agree that the price for the K4 has to be compared with the fully loaded K3 plus P3. In that respect it is not overpriced. I don't think we should make too much of the Sherwood Engineering test data at this point.I would suspect it would be hard for the human ear to tell the difference

Re: [Elecraft] Giving Up

GM Doug,    A fully loaded K3 P3 was always dear.   It rivalled the 7850 price but did not reach the cost while arguably being the better radio.   The fully loaded K4 is less expensive to my reckoning in todays money than the loaded K3 with P3 and physically smaller.    I suspect it may not be