Re: [EVDL] Dump/Jump charging modern EVs

2021-10-26 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
The Leaf most definitely has HV Isolation detection. I got one of the first 2011's, and I tested it. Not sure where it's located, but I would guess inside the BMS. I am not aware of any non-isolated charging happening. The Leaf's OBC is definitely isolated, as are all modern production EVs.

Re: [EVDL] Dump/Jump charging modern EVs

2021-10-26 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Phil, The Leaf has a self-contained BMS that does not care about isolation, it simply works and is readable from CAN bus. Sure, before the Leaf will accept a connection to its battery, it is likely that the inverter does a ground fault check but typically during charging it cannot (to allow

Re: [EVDL] Dump/Jump charging modern EVs

2021-10-26 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
Yes, but if you wanted to make your own CCS or Tesla jumper "suitcase", you wouldn't be able to do that without cooperation from the vehicle BMS. I'm talking about what's possible to make this operate without hacking into at least one of the cars. For example, I could hack my Tesla (with a

Re: [EVDL] Dump/Jump charging modern EVs

2021-10-26 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Since the charging sequence has a fixed order of control, it should be possible to avoid one vehicle's isolation check to fault the other one. The "sending" vehicle can do the isolation check before the charging is started, while contactors are still open, then the connection is made, then the

Re: [EVDL] Dump/Jump charging modern EVs

2021-10-25 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
Thanks Lee, But keep in mind without galvanic isolation on this, (or vehicle support from the manufacturers) it would likely instantly trip the HV isolation detection on one or both EVs. So the magnetics have to handle the full power being transferred, not just the difference. Basically the

Re: [EVDL] Dump/Jump charging modern EVs

2021-10-25 Thread Peter VanDerWal via EV
My PGP public key: https://vanderwal.us/evdl_pgp.key October 24, 2021 6:19 PM, "Haudy Kazemi via EV" wrote: > I think an onboard inverter-charger would be the way to go for this kind of > thing. I'm not sure how much size/weight penalty there is (if any) for a > bidirectional inverter charger

Re: [EVDL] Dump/Jump charging modern EVs

2021-10-24 Thread Haudy Kazemi via EV
I think an onboard inverter-charger would be the way to go for this kind of thing. I'm not sure how much size/weight penalty there is (if any) for a bidirectional inverter charger design vs charger-only design. Tesla has onboard 240v 48a AC chargers on most of their vehicles. If those were

Re: [EVDL] Dump/Jump charging modern EVs

2021-10-24 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
Don't believe everything you read! Definitely not possible to do this without some sort of high-power buck/boost converter in-between the EVs. Even a 50kW capable unit is going to probably weigh 50lbs minimum even if built very well. On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 8:42 AM Peter VanDerWal via EV

[EVDL] Dump/Jump charging modern EVs

2021-10-24 Thread Peter VanDerWal via EV
Stumbled across this article: https://www.motortrend.com/features/how-to-flat-tow-recharge-electric-vehicles/ which had an interesting comment: "...the Rivian R1T and R1S, Lucid Air, and Ford F-150 Lightning all offer bi-directional charging and a cord with a CCS Combo 1 charging plug on both