Re: OT: Re: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-11 Thread Tony Sleep
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 09:18:54 -0400 Michael Creem ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: The 120 and 620 film and backing paper are the same size but the spools are very different in size and are not interchangable. 620 is no longer made by Kodak. Michael Correct. 620 spools have a narrow solid

RE: OT: Re: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-09 Thread Lynn Allen
08, 2001 7:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Re: filmscanners: open and control Rich wrote: Can you still get 620 film? AFIAK you can. It's what a Hasselblad uses or used to use, if I'm not mistaken. I think 120 film is interchangable, but maybe not in all cameras. Best regards--LRA

RE: OT: Re: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-09 Thread Laurie Solomon
the difference between having and not having the paper backing is significant. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lynn Allen Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 7:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OT: Re: filmscanners: open and control Michael

Re: OT: Re: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-09 Thread Michael Creem
120 and 620 film were the same size width, length and thickness. The only difference was the shape of the spools. The 620 spool had a very thin core and slim ends. The 120 spool had a thicker core and fatter ends. The 620 spool and film together made a more compact package than a spool of 120.

RE: OT: Re: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-09 Thread Laurie Solomon
: OT: Re: filmscanners: open and control 120 and 620 film were the same size width, length and thickness. The only difference was the shape of the spools. The 620 spool had a very thin core and slim ends. The 120 spool had a thicker core and fatter ends. The 620 spool and film together made a more

Re: OT: Re: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-08 Thread Lynn Allen
Rich wrote: Can you still get 620 film? AFIAK you can. It's what a Hasselblad uses or used to use, if I'm not mistaken. I think 120 film is interchangable, but maybe not in all cameras. Best regards--LRA -- On 07 Jun 2001 16:01:12 EDT Richard Starr wrote: --- You wrote: The Super Six-20

Re: OT: Re: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-08 Thread Michael Creem
The 120 and 620 film and backing paper are the same size but the spools are very different in size and are not interchangable. 620 is no longer made by Kodak. Michael - Original Message - From: Lynn Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can you still get 620 film? AFIAK you can. It's what a

Re: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-08 Thread Arthur Entlich
B.Rumary wrote: Yes I heard about that on. Apparently the copyright on Mickey Mouse cartoons is about to run out and Disney are pushing the line that it would be un-American if a national icon could be copied by nasty foreigners, etc.! They want a special exception to copyright laws,

RE: OT: Re: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-08 Thread Laurie Solomon
PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Re: filmscanners: open and control Rich wrote: Can you still get 620 film? AFIAK you can. It's what a Hasselblad uses or used to use, if I'm not mistaken. I think 120 film is interchangable, but maybe not in all cameras. Best regards--LRA -- On 07 Jun 2001 16:01:12 EDT

Re: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-07 Thread B.Rumary
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bob Croxford wrote: In most of the world artistic copyright now extends to 70 years after the death of the author. The copyright can be sold or transferred to another person or a company, or passed to the authors descendants but it still only extends to the 70 years

OT: Re: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-07 Thread Lynn Allen
--LRA --Original Message-- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Starr) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 4, 2001 7:20:37 PM GMT Subject: Re: filmscanners: open and control --- You wrote: Argus had almost ruled the roost for reasonably-priced 35mm with its C-Series bricks (Kodak did have

Re: OT: Re: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-07 Thread Richard Starr
--- You wrote: The Super Six-20 was a folding camera, if I'm not mistaken. If that's what Rich is talking about, it's pretty rare and worth at least $1000, according to my book. In that case, I'd *definitely* like to take a look at it! :-) Best regards--LRA --- end of quoted material --- I was

Re: OT: Re: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-07 Thread Pat Perez
If it is any encouragement, I've heard of an outfit somewhere that re-spools 120 onto 620 rolls. Sadly, I don't know the name, but at least you know the search won't be in vain. Pat --- Richard Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- You wrote: The Super Six-20 was a folding camera, if I'm not

Re: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-07 Thread TREVITHO
In a message dated 3/6/01 10:39:50 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Brian But Daquerre's process was a technological dead-end that really had no future and so there was little call to get round it. It was expensive (it used a plate coated in metallic silver), it could only be looked at

Re: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-06 Thread B.Rumary
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Laurie Solomon wrote: currently copyrights in the US are valid for the life of the originator even if assigned to someone else, I believe, and are renewable for a limited length of time only once. I think you may be confusing copyrights for an artistic works, such as a

Re: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-06 Thread B.Rumary
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote: Studios were widespread throughout France and made a quick fortune. 400 pounds a day was achieved which was a small fortune in the mid 1800s. Some photographers are not able to charge that now! 400 pounds a _year_ was a small fortune in those days! Are you

Re: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-06 Thread TREVITHO
In a message dated 6/6/01 6:26:37 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In most of the world artistic copyright now extends to 70 years after the death of the author. The copyright can be sold or transferred to another person or a company, or passed to the authors descendants but it still only

Re: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-06 Thread Hersch Nitikman
--Original Message-- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Starr) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 4, 2001 7:20:37 PM GMT Subject: Re: filmscanners: open and control --- You wrote: Argus had almost ruled the roost for reasonably-priced 35mm with its C-Series bricks (Kodak did have the very good Retina

RE: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-06 Thread Laurie Solomon
:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: filmscanners: open and control In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Laurie Solomon wrote: currently copyrights in the US are valid for the life of the originator even if assigned to someone else, I believe, and are renewable for a limited length of time only once. I

Re: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-05 Thread TREVITHO
In a message dated 3/6/01 1:38:14 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, is Eastman Kodak supposed to be the ideal model for control? If you'd bought their stock in 1920 (or whenever you first could buy stock), you'd be rich now. On the other hand, if you'd bought their cameras, you'd only have

Re: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-05 Thread Richard Starr
--- You wrote: Richard wrote: What was that monster Kodak 2 1/4 x 3 1/4 rangefinder (220 film) that they sold during the war and possibly before? Beautifully built in the US, uncoatedoptics that were quite good, it looked like a kid's toy on steriods. Oooh, that's a toughie. The Medalist was

Re: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-04 Thread Lynn Allen
Brian wrote: Eastman did _not_ evade Talbot's patents, as they had expired by the time he got into the photo business. At that time British patents lasted 16 years and I believe that Talbot invented his Calotype paper negative process about 1849. 1849 sounds about right to me (possibly

Re: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-04 Thread B.Rumary
In 382693518.991527991110.JavaMail.root@web595-ec, Lynn Allen wrote: It seems to me that George Eastman circumvented Talbot's and other patents very successfully vis-a-vis sensitized-paper and celuloid negatives--and then proceded to take over or eliminate almost every other film and

Re: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-04 Thread Richard Starr
--- You wrote: Argus had almost ruled the roost for reasonably-priced 35mm with its C-Series bricks (Kodak did have the very good Retina, which was smaller, lighter...and German-made; and the Ektra-- these were in very short supply and cost $300 in the 1940's--the eauivalent of $3000 or more in

Re: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-04 Thread Lynn Allen
at the bottom of. :-) Best regards--LRA --Original Message-- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Starr) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 4, 2001 7:20:37 PM GMT Subject: Re: filmscanners: open and control --- You wrote: Argus had almost ruled the roost for reasonably-priced 35mm with its C-Series

Re: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-03 Thread Andrew Robinson
I just came in on this discussion on this note. Interestingly and coincidentally, I was reading Photogaphy Until Now by John Szarkowski this morning. My historical comments will of course be colored by what Szarkowski chose to tell me... Part of the popularity of Daguerre's method was the

Re: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-03 Thread TREVITHO
In a message dated 3/6/01 1:50:27 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I thought I read long ago that there was a patent taken out in England a short time before the French government bought the rights to the process and it was the patent that stopped the English using the process. Was it the

Re: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-03 Thread Dana Trout
B.Rumary [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: big snip Ansco managed to hold out the longest, but is gone now except for the name. I think Ansco were killed by the fiasco of Anscochrome colour film. As I understand it this was brought out in the fifties. Photographers thought it was wonderful, as

RE: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-03 Thread Laurie Solomon
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of B.Rumary Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: filmscanners: open and control In 382693518.991527991110.JavaMail.root@web595-ec, Lynn Allen wrote: It seems to me that George Eastman circumvented Talbot's and other

Re: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-03 Thread Bob Armstrong
Bob Croxford wrote: All my books are packed away pending a move but I vaguely remember that one businessman persuaded Daguerre to take out a British patent. This man then set up a Daguerrotype studio in Holborn in London and made a small fortune because he had bought the sole licence. I

filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-02 Thread TREVITHO
In a message dated 2/6/01 4:05:12 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Open advocates seem to favor freedom (in a product/market sense), and strongly believe that growth and innovation is greater this way than with the Control people's way. They also seem to be less aware of, or concerned

RE: filmscanners: open and control

2001-06-02 Thread Lynn Allen
:15:21 PM GMT Subject: filmscanners: open and control In a message dated 2/6/01 4:05:12 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Open advocates seem to favor freedom (in a product/market sense), and strongly believe that growth and innovation is greater this way than with the Control people's way