Re: [Frameworks] Annette Michelson and Peter Gidal

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Re: [Frameworks] Annette Michelson and Peter Gidal

I suspect Arnulf Rainer is excluded because it's abstract, my assumption being based on Gidal's critique of Sharits., ie, the viewer can fantasise 'into' blank colour frames just as much as they can falsely identify with a character in a movie. Some of Gidal's own films, eg Room Film 1973, use

Re: [Frameworks] Annette Michelson and Peter Gidal

Hello John (and Frameworkers), On 23 Feb 2016, at 12:00, frameworks-requ...@jonasmekasfilms.com wrote: > -how it is that in 1976 Peter Gidal can include Annette Michelson's June 1971 > Artforum piece "Towards Snow" in his Structural Film Anthology when in the > September 1971 issue of Artforum

Re: [Frameworks] Annette Michelson and Peter Gidal

> My notion of "including Ono and Ackerman [sic]" is, you're right, wrongheaded. Sorry if the double-negative was unclear, but I was saying including those makers is NOT wrongheaded at all. The gag (I was going for a bot o' irony) was that your thinking that doing so 'went against the grain'

Re: [Frameworks] Annette Michelson and Peter Gidal

press.com > www.facebook.com/thevisiblepress > @thevisiblepress > >> On 23 Feb 2016, at 12:00, frameworks-requ...@jonasmekasfilms.com wrote: >> >> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 11:00:15 -0500 >> From: John Muse <jm...@sonic.net> >> To: Experimental Film Discussion List

Re: [Frameworks] Annette Michelson and Peter Gidal

Dave, thanks for these speculations, which are helpful and not even wrongheaded. 1. I wholly except and will use your revision: not "structuralist/materialist films by women" but "films by women relevant to the debates around structuralists and structuralist/materialist cinema." 2. Yes, Gidal

Re: [Frameworks] Annette Michelson and Peter Gidal

I've been thinking, about the original query from John Muse in light of the follow-up query about Michelson, doing some wild-ass speculating. Mark's post (he certainly knows WAY more about this than I do) suggests my imaginings are at least not grossly inconsistent with known facts. And my

Re: [Frameworks] Annette Michelson and Peter Gidal

On Feb 23, 2016, at 4:28 AM, Mark Webber > wrote: The Visible Press is about to publish a collection of writings by Peter Gidal titled “Flare Out: Aesthetics 1966–2016”, which I have also edited. Please see below for further information.

Re: [Frameworks] Annette Michelson and Peter Gidal

Hi John, I was the one asking the one question at the event with Peter Gidal at the Southbank. One of my colleagues at LUX was meant to record the conversation but something went wrong and for some reason the recording is empty, so we were actually talking about it this very same morning and

Re: [Frameworks] Annette Michelson and Peter Gidal

John Muse <jm...@sonic.net> > To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com> > Subject: [Frameworks] Annette Michelson and Peter Gidal > Message-ID: <166d25f7-8dd8-4be7-a6e0-1d42d832c...@sonic.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Can

Re: [Frameworks] Annette Michelson and Peter Gidal

''He was famously quarrelsome, so an anthology of his correspondence might be…well, “entertaining”?'' 2016-02-22 17:27 GMT-04:00 Chuck Kleinhans : > Perhaps the editor/publisher wanted a broader range of essays than Gidal > alone might have preferred. > > But hey,

Re: [Frameworks] Annette Michelson and Peter Gidal

Perhaps the editor/publisher wanted a broader range of essays than Gidal alone might have preferred. But hey, he’s still alive, right? Why not ask him? He was famously quarrelsome, so an anthology of his correspondence might be…well, “entertaining”? Chuck Kleinhans On Feb 22, 2016, at

Re: [Frameworks] Annette Michelson and Peter Gidal

Thanks, Jonathan. Right, to his credit, Gidal "curates" in the conflict with Snow over "Back and Forth." Love that. The Michelson excerpt includes the line that seems to offend him most: "Snow has re-defined filmic space as that of action." Strange that he doesn't include the exchange of

Re: [Frameworks] Annette Michelson and Peter Gidal

Interesting question. Keep in mind that Gidal also included and essay on Ken Jacobs’ Tom Tom... (by Lois Mendelson and Bill Simon, also from Artforum) that he (Gidal) expressly marked as “symptomatic of current misunderstanding” and “fetishization of process and idealization of the formal in

[Frameworks] Annette Michelson and Peter Gidal

Can someone briefly explain--or point me to resources that explain--how it is that in 1976 Peter Gidal can include Annette Michelson's June 1971 Artforum piece "Towards Snow" in his Structural Film Anthology when in the September 1971 issue of Artforum he excoriates her and this piece in