Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread perryh
after reading all these posts, i've still come up with this answer after looking .. freebsd - the power to serve Might one reasonably surmise that the power to serve implies doing a good job of running server software? Like mail servers, FTP servers, web servers, file servers, database

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Wojciech Puchar
freebsd - the power to serve Might one reasonably surmise that the power to serve implies doing a good job of running server software? Like mail servers, FTP servers, web servers, file servers, database servers, ssh servers, even - gasp - X11 servers? so what's wrong. it runs well any

Re: What is trying to write to a write-protected memory card?

2008-12-13 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Thunar (xfce 4.4) along with hal has no problem automounting an SD card... unless that card is write-protected. There's a delay while the system tries and thinks it fails to mount the card--twice. Eject the card and the system reboots as if it was mounted. Try a clean shutdown and the

Upgrade from FreeBsd 6.3 to 6.4 freebsd-update

2008-12-13 Thread Renat
Hello! Can't upgrade from 6.3 to 6.4 with freebsd-update. webarchive# sh freebsd-update.sh -f freebsd-update.conf -r 6.4-RELEASE install No updates are available to install. Run 'freebsd-update.sh fetch' first. webarchive# sh freebsd-update.sh -f freebsd-update.conf -r 6.4-RELEASE fetch Looking

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-13 Thread Michel Talon
Lowell Gilbert wrote: NIS, which stands for Network Information Services, was developed by Sun Microsystems to centralize administration of UNIX (originally SunOS) systems. It has now essentially become an industry standard; all major UNIX like systems (Solaris, HP-UX, AIX(R),

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 08:00:45AM +, Glyn Millington wrote: Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu writes: But, we can _gently_ (it hasn't always been so gentle) teach newbies that the list is meant for something higher than just repeatedly ragging on why isn't FreeBSD more like MS or

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Wojciech Puchar
The spirit of replying to all questions, even if they are similar to ``How do I process images with a Photoshop-like program on FreeBSD?'', or even ``Windows lets me use FOO and do BAR. Is there something like this in FreeBSD?'', seems to be one of the *good* aspects of this list. it is bad

Re: How to block NIS logins via ssh?

2008-12-13 Thread Wojciech Puchar
enough time and resources, any password can be cracked. I really do not when enough time is somehow like lifetime of a star ;) (unless you choose bad passwords). understand why so many users insist on using passwords anyway. 2 reasons: - It's the default - Less hassle getting access from

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 12:22:15AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: There is _nothing_ that is inherently server oriented about the main FreeBSD tree, and it hasn't split to anything of the sort. exactly! FreeBSD is unix oriented! everything else depends on what you install. that's why it

Re: ad

2008-12-13 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 04:15:02PM -0500, michael wrote: after reading all these posts, i've still come up with this answer after looking .. freebsd - the power to serve the motto isn't the power to serve and run Far Cry That's about the weakest damned argument I've seen in a long time.

Re: ad

2008-12-13 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 10:35:33PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: because linux got exactly that way and it sucks now. That's not what I'd call a productive response, nor is it well supported. what kind of productivity to you request from such topic. it doesn't have to be productive.

Re: Upgrade from FreeBsd 6.3 to 6.4 freebsd-update

2008-12-13 Thread Manolis Kiagias
Renat wrote: Hello! Can't upgrade from 6.3 to 6.4 with freebsd-update. webarchive# sh freebsd-update.sh -f freebsd-update.conf -r 6.4-RELEASE install No updates are available to install. Run 'freebsd-update.sh fetch' first. webarchive# sh freebsd-update.sh -f freebsd-update.conf -r

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 01:26:36PM -0800, Brian Whalen wrote: michael wrote: has anyone stopped at all during this discussion and considered what you're arguing about? you're all complaining about a SERVER os that doesn't have an nvidia driver for its 64bit implementation and Wojciech. I

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Wojciech Puchar
that's why it would be good to finally introduce moderation on that list - to cut off 95% of traffic that is not about FreeBSD. Moderation, like all bureaucracy and oversight, a chainsaw -- not a scalpel. One should always be wary of its use where even the slightest error might result in

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-13 Thread Manolis Kiagias
Michel Talon wrote: Lowell Gilbert wrote: NIS, which stands for Network Information Services, was developed by Sun Microsystems to centralize administration of UNIX (originally SunOS) systems. It has now essentially become an industry standard; all major UNIX like systems

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 10:46:03PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: I mean seriously, has this helped anything at all? no. all i want is to stop all stupid topics about: - KDE/Gnome/other crap (or great things for somebody) BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF FREEBSD. FreeBSD has nothing to this,

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Isn't getting Flash working *with* FreeBSD (and browser of choice) a FreeBSD topic? WITH BROWSER. ask browser programmers for that. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 09:35:59PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: NVidia MUST INCLUDE full documentation of their hardware. this is normal - hardware manufacturer produces hardware, programmers do make support for it. what is common today isn't normal. I honestly have no idea what you are

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate here. exactly what i wrote. the problem is that people like You (and millions others) are willing to buy product without any documentation. You may find this surprising, but sometimes circumstances lead people to make purchases of

Re[2]: Upgrade from FreeBsd 6.3 to 6.4 freebsd-update

2008-12-13 Thread Renat
Again not worked: webarchive# mv freebsd-update.sh /usr/sbin/freebsd-update webarchive# mv freebsd-update.conf /etc webarchive# mceidt /etc/freebsd-update.conf mceidt: Command not found. webarchive# mcedit /etc/freebsd-update.conf webarchive# freebsd-update fetch Looking up

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-13 Thread Volodymyr Kostyrko
Valentin Bud wrote: There are different students that use those computers and they change frequently. So i thought to make a server, using FreeBSD (of course), that has a database of users so the linux machines don't have local users but they query the DB to get login credentials and such. I

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-13 Thread Valentin Bud
Hello list, Thanks everybody for comments, things are starting to become more clear now. I have to do the reading regarding all the recom i have received from all of you which will take me some time because this project is in my spare time which is close to unexistent. I'll come back with

use different mouse/input devices in X.org

2008-12-13 Thread Marco
Hi List, i've using a Notebook with touchpad which works perfeclty fine. However, i'd like also to use in paralell an external via usb connect mouse. If i configure this hard into X.org config it will work but i stumble here on problems. First of all, i have to shutdown the X.org Server to do so,

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Ivailo Bonev
- Original Message - From: prad p...@towardsfreedom.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:25 PM Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:59:46 +0200 Ivailo Bonev ibb_o...@mbox.contact.bg wrote: What's your

Hey, you have a new Greeting !!!

2008-12-13 Thread Greetings.com
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Re[2]: Upgrade from FreeBsd 6.3 to 6.4 freebsd-update

2008-12-13 Thread Renat
Yes. I try . But not worked!! - webarchive# freebsd-update -r 6.4-RELEASE upgrade Looking up update1.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update1.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Fetching 1 metadata files... failed. I probe

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Wojciech Puchar
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I think too much of this discussion is OT, maybe it's time to go in freebsd-c...@? indeed. with this and other non-freebsd topics

Re: Upgrade from FreeBsd 6.3 to 6.4 freebsd-update

2008-12-13 Thread Manolis Kiagias
Renat wrote: Yes. I try . But not worked!! - webarchive# freebsd-update -r 6.4-RELEASE upgrade Looking up update1.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update1.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Fetching 1 metadata

Re: use different mouse/input devices in X.org

2008-12-13 Thread Patrick Lamaizière
Le Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:53:02 +0100, Marco ilikef...@web.de a écrit : Hi List, Hello, i've using a Notebook with touchpad which works perfeclty fine. However, i'd like also to use in paralell an external via usb connect mouse. If i configure this hard into X.org config it will work but i

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Glyn Millington
Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu writes: But, we can _gently_ (it hasn't always been so gentle) teach newbies that the list is meant for something higher than just repeatedly ragging on why isn't FreeBSD more like MS or RHEL or whatever. Or even why isn't FreeBSD more like FreeBSD used to

skype

2008-12-13 Thread Daniel Leal
Hi ! Is there a problem if I use skype as root? like sudo skype. Because, if not i will get no sound! thanks, daniel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any

Hey, you have a new Greeting !!!

2008-12-13 Thread Greetings.com
Hello friend ! You have just received a postcard Greeting from someone who cares about you... Just click [1]here to receive your Animated Greeting ! Thank you for using www.Greetings.com services !!! Please take this opportunity to let your friends hear about us by sending

Re: CMS suggestion on FreeBSD (except Mambo)

2008-12-13 Thread Julien Cigar
I would suggest Plone On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 22:26 +0900, munkhbayar batkhuu wrote: Dear all FreeBSD list members. One of my old FreeBSD-5.4 server is installed with Mambo (4.6.2 Bug Stomp Pre-Release 2, not installed from ports) and I'm going to upgrade this Content Management System (CMS)

Re: skype

2008-12-13 Thread Glen Barber
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Daniel Leal dl...@webvolution.net wrote: Hi ! Is there a problem if I use skype as root? like sudo skype. Because, if not i will get no sound! You should never run any network-connected software as root, as it is a huge security hole. Fix your permissions

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Michel Talon
Glyn Millington wrote: But, we can _gently_ (it hasn't always been so gentle) teach newbies that the list is meant for something higher than just repeatedly ragging on why isn't FreeBSD more like MS or RHEL or whatever. Or even why isn't FreeBSD more like FreeBSD used to be back in the

Re: install freebsd from inside another operating system

2008-12-13 Thread Robin Becker
My experiments with the depenguinator seem to show it has a hidden dependency on the partition used for the constructed disk image. On my ubuntu 8.10 the original install constructed /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 extended /dev/sda5 swap Not sure why the extended, but it wasn't really needed so I

Re: skype

2008-12-13 Thread Michael Powell
Glen Barber wrote: On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Daniel Leal dl...@webvolution.net wrote: Hi ! Is there a problem if I use skype as root? like sudo skype. Because, if not i will get no sound! You should never run any network-connected software as root, as it is a huge security

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Robert Huff
Michel Talon writes: As you suggest, first, discussions about the direction FreeBSD should go are eminently FreeBSD related, Technical note: questions@ may be an appropriate forum for general discussion; however, as things progress to the technical it becomes more appropriate for

Re: use different mouse/input devices in X.org

2008-12-13 Thread Marco
Hello Patrick, works like a charm. I had to test a little bit, but i ended up with /dev/sysmouse in Xorg config and the following lines in the devd.conf: attach 200 { device-name psm0; action /usr/sbin/moused -a 2 -p /dev/psm0 -I /var/run/moused.psm0.pid; /usr/sbin/vidcontrol -m

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Charlie Kester
On Sat 13 Dec 2008 at 01:44:03 PST Chad Perrin wrote: I rather suspect that a much stronger, and more common, reason for obstinate refusal to open specs is the short-sightedness and general ignorance of daycoders and pointy-haired bosses -- all of whom think Java is the best programming

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-13 Thread Jonathan McKeown
On Friday 12 December 2008 19:26, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: -- From: Joe S js.li...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 12:20 PM To: Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Jonathan McKeown

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:38:18 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: Isn't getting Flash working *with* FreeBSD (and browser of choice) a FreeBSD topic? WITH BROWSER. ask browser programmers for that. Do you really, honestly expect Mozilla, Galeon, Epiphany and any

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:03:39 -0800, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: after reading all these posts, i've still come up with this answer after looking .. freebsd - the power to serve Might one reasonably surmise that the power to serve implies doing a good job of running server software? Like

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Technical note: questions@ may be an appropriate forum for general discussion about FreeBSD, or general discussion about thousands of unix software that runs on unices including FreeBSD? general discussion; however, as things progress to the technical it becomes more appropriate for

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Wojciech Puchar
FreeBSD topic? WITH BROWSER. ask browser programmers for that. Do you really, honestly expect Mozilla, Galeon, Epiphany and any random i expect to support any unix. and they do. unfortunately they didn't write flash module, so you have to use abobe flash that is available as binary only

Re: CMS suggestion on FreeBSD (except Mambo)

2008-12-13 Thread Bill Campbell
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008, Julien Cigar wrote: I would suggest Plone I'll second that. Bill -- INTERNET: b...@celestial.com Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way Voice: (206) 236-1676 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820 Fax:

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:24:13 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: Technical note: questions@ may be an appropriate forum for general discussion about FreeBSD, or general discussion about thousands of unix software that runs on unices including FreeBSD? I don't

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Wojciech Puchar
thousands of unix software that runs on unices including FreeBSD? I don't see the difference. If a program runs on FreeBSD it runs on FreeBSD, so it _is_ something that FreeBSD users may be interested in for their every day work. Does it really matter if the particular piece of software also

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:48:55 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: thousands of unix software that runs on unices including FreeBSD? I don't see the difference. If a program runs on FreeBSD it runs on FreeBSD, so it _is_ something that FreeBSD users may be

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Zbigniew Szalbot
Hi, I don't see the difference. If a program runs on FreeBSD it runs on FreeBSD, so it _is_ something that FreeBSD users may be interested in for their every day work. Does it really matter if the particular piece of software also runs on AmigaOS? Not really, IMO :) do you ask say -

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-13 Thread Zbigniew Szalbot
Hello, As a community, we should be ashamed of this: ``volunteer effort'' just isn't a good enough excuse - and those of us who haven't volunteered need to find out how we can help get things back on track for the next release. When I first raised this, I asked if there was anything I could

Re: Upgrade from FreeBsd 6.3 to 6.4 freebsd-update

2008-12-13 Thread Steven Susbauer
Manolis Kiagias wrote: Renat wrote: Yes. I try . But not worked!! - webarchive# freebsd-update -r 6.4-RELEASE upgrade Looking up update1.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update1.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done.

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Wojciech Puchar
than not you discourage beginners from getting interested in this i don't discourage beginners that want to learn. Most of them don't. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-13 Thread Matthew Seaman
Jerry wrote: My biggest gripe with the entire update schedule is that the ports freeze has been frozen longer than my wife. Maybe having two separate ports, one for the current version and one for the RC? version might work better. I have never fully understood why the ports had to be frozen

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Wojciech Puchar
under windows, but runs under - say - MacOS. In the hypothetical scenario that I would be a Mac user who is happy with his MacOS application, why would I want to bother with Microsoft at all? In the non-hypotethical scenario of You being windows user happy with flash in browsers (or maybe

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread prad
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:06:39 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: under windows, but runs under - say - MacOS. In the hypothetical scenario that I would be a Mac user who is happy with his MacOS application, why would I want to bother with Microsoft at all?

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:33:40AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: that's why it would be good to finally introduce moderation on that list - to cut off 95% of traffic that is not about FreeBSD. Moderation, like all bureaucracy and oversight, a chainsaw -- not a scalpel. One should always

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 01:48:02PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I think too much of this discussion is OT, maybe it's time to go in freebsd-c...@?

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Wojciech Puchar
bad (TM). No -- at *any* level: you are wrong. for example you WILL like to control what oficially your employees ktalk about your company. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Wojciech Puchar
freebsd-c...@? indeed. with this and other non-freebsd topics You, yourself, spawn this kind of digression into off-topicness every now and then. Perhaps *you* should reserve some of *your* comments for freebsd-chat, too. And certainly will AFTER such offtopic discussion won't be appearing

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:46:55AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: I honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate here. exactly what i wrote. the problem is that people like You (and millions others) are willing to buy product without any documentation. You may find this

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 08:37:09AM -0800, Charlie Kester wrote: On Sat 13 Dec 2008 at 01:44:03 PST Chad Perrin wrote: I rather suspect that a much stronger, and more common, reason for obstinate refusal to open specs is the short-sightedness and general ignorance of daycoders and

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Robert Huff
Wojciech Puchar writes: so stop asking on FreeBSD group about flash support. it's not FreeBSD developers job. Except Flash support depends (/inter alia/) on the Linux emulation layer, which has been accepted as part of the FreeBSD developers job. Indeed, I get the feeling Flash is

Re: Upgrade from FreeBsd 6.3 to 6.4 freebsd-update

2008-12-13 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 03:47:15PM +0300, Renat wrote: Yes. I try . But not worked!! - webarchive# freebsd-update -r 6.4-RELEASE upgrade Looking up update1.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update1.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread prad
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:43:02 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: I'll provide a technical example, as opposed to a social example, so maybe you'll be able to understand my point ... good illustrative examples, chad! i think moderation has value if it is done reasonably. for

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Wojciech Puchar
good illustrative examples, chad! i think moderation has value if it is done reasonably. for instance, it all depends if FreeBSD has to be treated as public projects or somehow private. I'm not talking about open/closed source as it's opensource, but it's private as there are well defined

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Except Flash support depends (/inter alia/) on the Linux emulation layer, which has been accepted as part of the FreeBSD developers job. Indeed, I get the feeling Flash is sort of a quiet flash runs under linux emulation with linux binary browsers. what a problem?

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Wojciech Puchar
probably that they would create competitors somehow, magically, without providing any information that directly encourages competition for their hardware. If they wanted to provide per-incident paid software support or simply charge people extra for drivers, *then* I could see this being a

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Jerry
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:04:08 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: And certainly will AFTER such offtopic discussion won't be appearing here. i mean such offtopic discussion like: - comparision of things that can't be compared, and are not FreeBSD specific, like

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Wojciech Puchar
team. It's not part of FreeBSD after there will be stopped, i will stop complaining Better yet, start your own list. Then you can play the roles of führer and Gestapo all to your own liking. i am not FreeBSD owner/creator. If i would sell a product/service that would need mailing list for

letter

2008-12-13 Thread Горлов Александр
Mr. developers of FreeBSD , do you have to seal FreeBSD in Rushia under anoder trade mark . If you say Yes i wate your answer on this letter at this mail address . OK ? Best regards from Alexsandr Gorlov . -- Яндекс.Фотки - легко загрузить с мобильного http://mobile.yandex.ru/fotki/

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread prad
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:38:29 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: It's nice people like to help other people, but it's bad it helps them on that lists with OFF-TOPIC problems. agreed! i think these illustrations you present are relevant: - comparision of things

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-13 Thread Matthew Seaman
Nguyen Tam Chinh wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Ivan Voras ivo...@freebsd.org wrote: Valentin Bud wrote: If you only have UNIX systems in LAN. But in my case i have Linux + FreeBSD (server). From the handbook NIS only works between FBSDs. Am i missing something? You are correct.

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Wojciech Puchar
you're reply to another post: If you wish you can call me fuhrer ;) but iwth Gestapo you certainly got too far. :D good response to that unfortunate eruption of enthusiasm. i think it's a problem of fear about past consorship in many countries. But this is completely different things.

is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD?

2008-12-13 Thread Gary Kline
guys, i did something to evolution (or mail) so it sends a your mail was opened on u...@foo.com. i've been hunting thru the mutt docs; i do not see how to get a similar ack from mutt as evo. is there, perhaps a sendmail.[cf|mc] way lost in the reams

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-13 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Of course, as has been pointed out else-thread, LDAP is the way of the future. It's much more scalable and interoperable between different OSes and much more overcomplex, mostly unneeded complexity IMHO. Please think twice before telling about the way of the future. It's just one way, and i

Re: is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD?

2008-12-13 Thread Wojciech Puchar
guys, i did something to evolution (or mail) so it sends a your mail was opened on u...@foo.com. i've been hunting thru the mutt docs; i do not see how to get a similar ack from mutt as evo. is there, perhaps a sendmail.[cf|mc] If i understood you

Re: is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD?

2008-12-13 Thread Glen Barber
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: guys, i did something to evolution (or mail) so it sends a your mail was opened on u...@foo.com. i've been hunting thru the mutt docs; i do not see how to get a similar ack from mutt as evo.

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-13 Thread Glen Barber
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Zbigniew Szalbot zszal...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, As a community, we should be ashamed of this: ``volunteer effort'' just isn't a good enough excuse - and those of us who haven't volunteered need to find out how we can help get things back on track for the

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:26:21 -0800, prad p...@towardsfreedom.com wrote: anyone know if there are moderators for this list? i know there are some very nice people who keep watch. once i messaged the test list with a ports question (i was having trouble emailing this one - so i was testing to

Re: is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD?

2008-12-13 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:50:53 -0800, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: guys, i did something to evolution (or mail) so it sends a your mail was opened on u...@foo.com. i've been hunting thru the mutt docs; i do not see how to get a similar ack from mutt as evo. is there, perhaps a

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Glen Barber
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: freebsd-c...@? indeed. with this and other non-freebsd topics You, yourself, spawn this kind of digression into off-topicness every now and then. Perhaps *you* should reserve some of *your* comments for

RE: DVD cloning tool

2008-12-13 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org]on Behalf Of Polytropon Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:48 AM To: Andrew Gould Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: DVD cloning tool I'm searching for the same

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-13 Thread Matthew Seaman
Wojciech Puchar wrote: Of course, as has been pointed out else-thread, LDAP is the way of the future. It's much more scalable and interoperable between different OSes and much more overcomplex, mostly unneeded complexity IMHO. Please think twice before telling about the way of the future.

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread prad
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:04:43 +0200 Giorgos Keramidas keram...@ceid.upatras.gr wrote: We have a fantastic postmaster, who is single-handedly managing dozens of mailing lists, replying to posts about email problems for the entire *.FreeBSD.org domain, and making sure that we get as little spam

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-13 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Funnily enough, I am actually in complete agreement with you. When I said The Way of the Future -- that should be read with a certain degree of irony. No one is going to remove the simpler ways of doing this stuff any time soon, because the simple way is the right way for the vast majority

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Wojciech Puchar
spam as possible. That sort of service that is so good and so transparent that it is _very_ easy to forget how useful and thankless it is. very true! i've been surprised at the low spam ratio here for sure! we all owe a debt of gratitude to this postmaster. every time i get worried seeing a

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Robert Huff
prad writes: We have a fantastic postmaster, who is single-handedly managing dozens of mailing lists, replying to posts about email problems for the entire *.FreeBSD.org domain, and making sure that we get as little spam as possible. That sort of service that is so good and so

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread matt donovan
A lot of times I report spam anymore and usually the domain gets kicked off or I help a company with some information in their investigation usually. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Mario Lobo
On Saturday 13 December 2008 20:10:56 Robert Huff wrote: prad writes: We have a fantastic postmaster, who is single-handedly managing dozens of mailing lists, replying to posts about email problems for the entire *.FreeBSD.org domain, and making sure that we get as little spam as

Re: is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD?

2008-12-13 Thread Polytropon
I don't know if it has already been mentioned, but the only kind of receive confirmation you get from your FreeBSD system itself is the success entry in /var/log/maillog which will inform you that either the POP/SMTP server facility where the recipient has his mail account successfully received

Re: is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD?

2008-12-13 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:58:44PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: guys, i did something to evolution (or mail) so it sends a your mail was opened on u...@foo.com. i've been hunting thru the mutt docs; i do not see how to get a similar ack from mutt as evo.

Re: is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD?

2008-12-13 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 05:02:48PM -0500, Glen Barber wrote: On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: guys, i did something to evolution (or mail) so it sends a your mail was opened on u...@foo.com. i've been hunting thru the mutt

Re: DVD cloning tool

2008-12-13 Thread Polytropon
Hi and thanks for your reply. On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:18:23 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt t...@toybox.placo.com wrote: Your not going to find a tool like this under FreeBSD or any freeOS that I know of. So I may conclude: There is no tool x for the following equation: cdrdao read-cd /

Re: is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD?

2008-12-13 Thread Gary Kline
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 12:10:19AM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:50:53 -0800, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: guys, i did something to evolution (or mail) so it sends a your mail was opened on u...@foo.com. i've been hunting thru the mutt docs; i do not see

The FreeBSD Diary: 2008-11-23 - 2008-12-13

2008-12-13 Thread Dan Langille
The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the

Re: is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD?

2008-12-13 Thread Gary Kline
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 12:41:57AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: I don't know if it has already been mentioned, but the only kind of receive confirmation you get from your FreeBSD system itself is the success entry in /var/log/maillog which will inform you that either the POP/SMTP server facility

Re: CMS suggestion on FreeBSD (except Mambo)

2008-12-13 Thread Nguyen Tam Chinh
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 9:26 PM, munkhbayar batkhuu bmr...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all FreeBSD list members. One of my old FreeBSD-5.4 server is installed with Mambo (4.6.2 Bug Stomp Pre-Release 2, not installed from ports) and I'm going to upgrade this Content Management System (CMS) to

anybody know where words.db is?

2008-12-13 Thread Gary Kline
I'm trying to build a rhyming diction on FBSD. am missing something i thought we had. my linux download is mizzing it. i also checked on my ubuntu computer. locate can't find words.db either. any ideas? still checking for this via google. thus far, nada. -- Gary Kline

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