Re: what is your programming language on freebsd?

2008-11-07 Thread Eduardo Morras

At 17:10 06/11/2008, you wrote:

Hi there,

Earlier I was asking for some help getting XSP/ mod_mono on FreeBSD. I
may be asking in the wrong mailing list, but my impression is that mono
on FreeBSD is generally not a popular idea.

To pose my questions to the developers in the FreeBSD community:
1. What programming language(s) do you deploy on FreeBSD?


Pascal and ObjectPascal with FreePascal Compiler and Lazarus for my programs.
C with GCC for play with FreeBSD source code.


2. Is FreeBSD more optimised in performance for any particular language?


Don't know.


3. Is FreeBSD even a popular choice as a development platform, or is it
better suited as a special-purpose OS (eg. mail server, DNS server)?


Depends. For me it's THE development platform.


Thanks.


L

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RE: Replace XP with FreeBSD (was Re: (no subject))

2008-11-07 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Hill
 Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:08 PM
 To: SAM HAYNES
 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Subject: Replace XP with FreeBSD (was Re: (no subject))


 On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, SAM HAYNES wrote:

 
  I am 76, a retired Master Electrician, PC builder since '87, have a
  wife of 40 plus years, debilitating medical problems and a strong
  belief that I can milk a living out of internet affiliate marketing
  despite the current economic crisis.

 Good. You have been building PCs -and- doing wiring a lot longer than I
 have been doing either. Nobody needs to tell you what an IRQ is, or why
 a loose neutral might be a problem.

  My current model is to generate a basic website, use my existing isp
  to promote two consistent converting products, bootstrap the proceeds
  from that into building my own dedicated server to market 'how-to'
  products over a hundred or more websites.

 I have no business sense, and can't comment on the model.

I do and can.  We have customers doing this.  However it is going to take
you many years to get this up and going and there's a huge amount of
competition.  You have a LOT to learn.  And it will never pay much.

Your most profitable bet is to visit your local IBEW office and get your
license
current, then start going around to all of the local builders and
giving them your card.  There's a big need for people who can do small
electrical jobs under permit.

If this is out, and your dead-set on doing something on the Internet,
then go to some classes, learn how to write a decent website, and spend
a few years doing websites for people.  There's not a lot of money
in that either, but there's more than trying to do what you think you
want to do.  And, you will never be able to do what you think you want
to do until you are intimately familiar with HTML.

Ted

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Re: Hardware Raid + hot-replace failed disk

2008-11-07 Thread Frank Bonnet

Pieter Donche wrote:

Suppose you have a system with multiple disks managed by a
hardware RAID controller in a RAID5 of RAID6 configuration,

To FreeBSD it will look like e.g. a single large drive.

If you want to extend your disk space by plugging in an extra
disk, the hardware RAID controller will probably detect it and
add it in his management, but will it be seen by FreeBSD?

How can you make the added disk-space available for FreeBSD.
Can this be done without shutting down the system? How??



I think this would be possible using vinum, but I've never tested it.
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Re: Hardware Raid + hot-replace failed disk

2008-11-07 Thread Pieter Donche

On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Wojciech Puchar wrote:


Suppose you have a system with multiple disks managed by a
hardware RAID controller in a RAID5 of RAID6 configuration,
To FreeBSD it will look like e.g. a single large drive.


what is RAID5 of RAID6???

RAID5 or RAID6 (sorry, typing error)


If you want to extend your disk space by plugging in an extra
disk, the hardware RAID controller will probably detect it and
add it in his management, but will it be seen by FreeBSD?

FreeBSD will see larger drive.


With what command can you see that FreeBSD had 'seen' it ?
Or is the the bsdlabel command?  Is bsdlabel a partition management
program (such as GParted, Partition Magic)?


you then have to fix partition table (use bsdlabel -e)
fix c partition to be actually sized of whole drive, and then
a) add new partition(s) for new space
b) extend the size of last partition and use growfs


I guess here you mean 2 alternatives: a) using the new space for 
new partition(s) leaving the existing as they are

or b) create no new partitions but extend the last partition to include
the new space, by using the growfs command ?


How can you make the added disk-space available for FreeBSD.
Can this be done without shutting down the system? How??
i don't think FreeBSD can be told to reget device info from controller when 
partitions of that device are mounted. but i may be wrong


Hmm, man growfs says:
 Currently growfs CAN ONLY ENLARGE UNMOUNTED FILE SYSTEMS.
 DO NOT TRY ENLARGING A MOUNTED FILE SYSTEM, YOUR SYSTEM WILL PANIC
 AND YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO USE THE FILE SYSTEM ANY LONGER.

If your FreeDSB only has swap and a / file system (with all users inside
/usr/home)  or you set up FreeBSD with a  swap, /, /var and /usr 
filesystems (with users in /usr/home)  and you want to grow a file

system (e.g. /usr to give the extra space to users) (scenario b))
then,
I guess, you will need to go into single-user mode and boot from CD
with a FreeBSD in RAM to be able extend the (unmounted) file system /usr

Can scenario a) (making new file system for new space) be done in 
multi-user mode, or only in single-user mode, will it need a reboot ??



Is there any document (besides the manual pages bsdlabel, growfs, ..)
that describes step-by-step what to do to grow an existing file system
of to add a new file system on newly added disk space ?

Pieter
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Re: Geom multipath

2008-11-07 Thread My Myself
Thanks!. I did know that there would be only one active path, but path 
switching doesnt seem to happen when one path fails. The behaviour is 
intermittent, so i was wondering if there are any kernel tunables that i could 
play with, like timeout variables etc.





From: John Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Cc: Ganesh kamath [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2008 8:36:13 PM
Subject: Re: Geom multipath

On Thursday 06 November 2008 07:13:36 am Ganesh kamath wrote:
 I am trying to get multipath running in freebsd version 7. Are there
 any configuration files that i can tweak with geom multipath?. The
 paths are active/passive to the storage array and i dont seem to have
 control of what path the IO takes, so i was wondering if there are any
 tweaks thati could do to control the flow of IO to a specific path.

Read the manpage. Thoroughly. gmultipath(8). :) There is only one active 
path to any device, and it is the first in the list of devices. You 
specify the device list when you create the provider and it is updated if 
errors occur and when gmultipath labeled devices reappear. I would 
guess/hope that the order would be preserved across a reboot but I'm not 
sure. That type of question might be suitable for the freebsd-geom@ 
mailing list.

 Also, the IO doesnt resume when i try to do some cable pulls and plug
 them back.

If you're not using an mpt or isp disk controller then you have to 
initiate a rescan manually for the device to reappear. See camcontrol 
and/or atacontrol. When the device _does_ reappear it will be inserted at 
the end of the list, so I/O will continue across the alternate path which 
is still first in the list.

JN

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Re: spell check - how to?

2008-11-07 Thread Robert Huff

Giorgos Keramidas writes:

  The main drawback of being unable to use the `freebsd' wordlist
  is that you will get many false positives for words that are
  perfectly valid for FreeBSD documentation but are not standard
  English words.

I have a script which does something similar, using ispell.
It's based on the Perl script - found on-line - appended below.
I pseudo-fixed that running the output through sort and
starting with least frequent hits.
Attempts to build a project-specific dictionary proved too
confusing and it was ultimatly not worth the effort.


Robert Huff



#!/usr/local/bin/perl -W

# WordFreq.pl -- Count word frequency in a text file
$ver = v1.0; # 05-Dec-2001 JP Vossen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

# Basics from 8.3, page 280 of _Perl_Cookbook_
# Added stop words

(($myname = $0) =~ s/^.*(\/|\\)|\..*$//ig); # remove up to last \ or / and 
after any .
$Greeting =  ($myname $ver Copyright 12001 JP Vossen 
(http://www.jpsdomain.org/)\n);
$Greeting .= (Licensed under the GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE:\n);
$Greeting .= (See http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html for full text and 
details.\n); # Version and copyright info

%seen = ();   # Create the hash

# Define the stopwords
@stopwords = (a, an, and, are, as, at, be, but, by, 
does, for, from, had, have, her, his, if, in, is,
it, not, of, on, or, that, the, this, to, was,
which, with, you);


if ((@ARGV =~ /\?/) || (@ARGV  5) || (@ARGV  0)) { #if wrong # of args, or 
a ? in args - die
print STDERR (\n$Greeting\n\tUsage: $myname -i {infile} [-s]\n);
print STDERR (\nIf -s is used, the list of stop words will NOT be 
used.\n);
print STDERR (The stopwords currently defined are:\n\n );
foreach $stopword (@stopwords) {
print STDERR ($stopword );
} # end of foreach stopword
die (\n);
}

use Getopt::Std; # User Perl5 built-in program argument handler
getopts('i:o:s');# Define possible args.

if (! $opt_i) { $opt_i = -; }  # If no input file specified, use STDIN
if (! $opt_o) { $opt_o = -; }  # If no output file specified, use STDOUT

open (INFILE, $opt_i) || die $myname: error opening $opt_i $!\n;
open (OUTFILE, $opt_o) || die $myname: error opening $opt_o $!\n;

print STDERR (\n$Greeting\n);

while (INFILE) {# Read the input file
while ( /(\w['\w-]*)/g ) {# If we have a word
$seen{lc $1}++;   # Count it in the hash
} # end of while words
} # end of while input

if (! $opt_s) {   # If we're using stopwords
foreach $stopword (@stopwords) {  # for each stopword
delete($seen{$stopword}); # Remove it from the hash
} # end of foreach stopword   # This way we only test once for each
} # end of if using stopwords   stopword, rather than in a loop!


# Print the results, sorted most frequent words at the top
foreach $word ( sort { $seen{$b} = $seen{$a} } keys %seen) {
printf OUTFILE (%6d %s\n, $seen{$word}, $word);
} # end of foreach word

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Re: eps to jpg conversion - which program?

2008-11-07 Thread Manolis Kiagias

Laszlo Nagy wrote:


 Hi,

I need to convert eps files into jpeg files in batch mode. Gimp works 
perfectly, except that I cannot use an X display. I tried eps2png with 
no success:



%file test.eps
test.eps: DOS EPS Binary File Postscript starts at byte 30 length 
566887 TIFF starts at byte 566917 length 4741

%eps2png -jpg -width 1000 -verbose -output test.jpg test.eps
Producing jpg (jpeg) image.
Not EPS file: test.eps, skipped

What port should I use to convert EPS into JPG? I would like to use a 
program that shares the same library with Gimp, because we know that 
Gimp works great for this task.


Thanks,

  Laszlo



How about using 'convert' from graphics/ImageMagick?

It would be as simple as

convert myfile.eps  myfile.jpg

and there are myriads of options to fiddle if you wish. I've been using 
it with great success for quite some time now.

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Re: eps to jpg conversion - which program?

2008-11-07 Thread Timm Wimmers
Laszlo Nagy schrieb:

 I need to convert eps files into jpeg files in batch mode. Gimp works
 perfectly, except that I cannot use an X display. I tried eps2png with
 no success:
 
 
 %file test.eps
 test.eps: DOS EPS Binary File Postscript starts at byte 30 length 566887
 TIFF starts at byte 566917 length 4741
 %eps2png -jpg -width 1000 -verbose -output test.jpg test.eps
 Producing jpg (jpeg) image.
 Not EPS file: test.eps, skipped
 
 What port should I use to convert EPS into JPG? I would like to use a
 program that shares the same library with Gimp, because we know that
 Gimp works great for this task.

Take a look on GhostScript, a PostScript interpreter.

-- 
Timm


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pkg_delete delete files even if md5 check fails

2008-11-07 Thread Johan Hendriks
How can i tell pkg_delete to delete all files of a package even if the md5 
checks fail?

 

Regards,

Johan Hendriks

 

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Re: pkg_delete delete files even if md5 check fails

2008-11-07 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 03:25:30PM +0100, Johan Hendriks wrote:
 How can i tell pkg_delete to delete all files of a package even if the md5 
 checks fail?

Does the -f flag do this?

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Re: what is your programming language on freebsd?

2008-11-07 Thread Pieter de Goeje
On Thursday 06 November 2008, Jerry McAllister wrote:
 On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 12:10:41AM +0800, Foo JH wrote:
  Hi there,
 
  Earlier I was asking for some help getting XSP/ mod_mono on FreeBSD. I
  may be asking in the wrong mailing list, but my impression is that mono
  on FreeBSD is generally not a popular idea.
 
  To pose my questions to the developers in the FreeBSD community:
  1. What programming language(s) do you deploy on FreeBSD?
  2. Is FreeBSD more optimised in performance for any particular language?
  3. Is FreeBSD even a popular choice as a development platform, or is it
  better suited as a special-purpose OS (eg. mail server, DNS server)?

 FreeBSD suppports just about any programming language that has
 been created. If you go to /usr/ports/lang/   you will see
 a large list of them that you can install.

 As for the most common, well, C and C++, Shells such as SH, CSH/TCSH
 and Perl are very common, plus in conjunction with web servers such
 as Apache, PHP, Python, Ruby and a number of others are common.
 If you are doing number crunching, you can use FORTRAN and if you
 are in to historical business environments, there is even Cobol.

 As for being optimized for a language, it is more likely the other
 way around.  Are there any languages that have good optimization
 for running on FreeBSD.   Maybe.   Someone else may know more about
 that, than I do.

 jerry

And don't forget Java. Eclipse-devel + jdk16 make an excellent development 
environment on FreeBSD.

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Re: How to upgrade to KDE4

2008-11-07 Thread Andrew Falanga
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:26 PM, RW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:52:06 -0800
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 the only
 thing that updated was the meta-port (I did a portupgrade -r too).

 Aside from the fact that there are separate kde meta-ports,
 portupgrade -r kde... updates the metaport and everything that depends
 on the metaport, not everything the metaport depends on.

Thanks for the clarification.  I think I had things backwards.

Also, as I'd like to go to KDE 4, should I do a make deinstall in
kdebase, or perhaps pkg_delete for the kde packages before installing?
 I know that the first respondent said the two versions could be run
in tandem, and while I've got plenty of disk space for this, it also
seems quite error prone.  What would be the recommended course?

Andy

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FreeBSD 7/CURRENT and AutoFS or AMD (automounter) with OpenLDAP

2008-11-07 Thread O. Hartmann

Hello out there,
I run into trouble.

When looking for AutoFS in the net I find a lot about AutoFS on Linux 
and, surprisingly, for FreeBSD 6.X, but those messages are dated to the 
year 2004/2006.


I'm running FreeBSD 7.X and FreeBSD 8.0-CUR boxes and tried to find 
something about AutoFS, but I'm still stuck with the 'well known AMD or 
Berkeley AutoMounterDaemon.

What happened to AutoFS?

I'm stuck with amd (from FreeBSD's contrib) and I need to keep my maps 
in OpenLDAP, but when searching for how to map amd.map-files into the 
right shape of an OpenLDAP object (I borrowed the RedHat 
automount.ldif-schema, OpenLDAP 2.4.11 seems to lack in an apropriate 
schema), I only find Linux-Howtos reflecting AutoFS in Linux (and that 
is different from amd).


Is help possible?

Thanks, in advance,
Oliver
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FreeBSD 7/8 and AMD/automounter with LDAP support

2008-11-07 Thread O. Hartmann
Just sneaked through the /usr/src/contrib/amd code base of the amd 
automounter and found amd is naturally not built with LDAP support.


Well, how can I configure 'make world' to automatically build 'amd' with 
LDAP support (as I can do this with sendmail being build with 
cyrus-sasl-support via some knobs in /etc/make.conf)?
I did not understood whether amd has full LDAP support or is lacking in 
some code, so I appreciate any hint or help.


Thanks in advance,

Oliver
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Preserving X forwarded applications

2008-11-07 Thread Roey Dror
I'm looking for a solution similar to the screen utility, but for X11.
I want, for example, to burn a cd on a remote computer using some GUI
application. If, for any reason, the network goes down while burning,
I suppose I lose the whole thing. Same thing goes when editing a
document.
I know that I can launch a VNC/NX server, but X forwarding is a much
more comfortable solution.
Is there any way to make sure a X forwarded application won't die when
my session is disconnected?
Also, I would like to be able to reconnect the window when logging back in.

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Re: Preserving X forwarded applications

2008-11-07 Thread Mel
On Friday 07 November 2008 18:01:28 Roey Dror wrote:

 Is there any way to make sure a X forwarded application won't die when
 my session is disconnected?
 Also, I would like to be able to reconnect the window when logging back
 in.

Of course you can try to fiddle with X forwarding to do this, but net/x11vnc, 
especially the -shared option is made for this.

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and never get to the software part.
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RE: pkg_delete delete files even if md5 check fails

2008-11-07 Thread Johan Hendriks
Yes off course it does!
I thought it only deleted the package even if other packages depends on it.
Sorry for the somewhat stupid question.

Regards,
Johan Hendriks


-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
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Verzonden: vrijdag 7 november 2008 15:28
Aan: Johan Hendriks
CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Onderwerp: Re: pkg_delete delete files even if md5 check fails

On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 03:25:30PM +0100, Johan Hendriks wrote:
 How can i tell pkg_delete to delete all files of a package even if the md5 
 checks fail?

Does the -f flag do this?

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Re: Hardware Raid + hot-replace failed disk

2008-11-07 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 10:35:39AM +0100, Pieter Donche wrote:
 On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Wojciech Puchar wrote:

 Suppose you have a system with multiple disks managed by a
 hardware RAID controller in a RAID5 of RAID6 configuration,
 To FreeBSD it will look like e.g. a single large drive.

 what is RAID5 of RAID6???
 RAID5 or RAID6 (sorry, typing error)

 If you want to extend your disk space by plugging in an extra
 disk, the hardware RAID controller will probably detect it and
 add it in his management, but will it be seen by FreeBSD?
 FreeBSD will see larger drive.

 With what command can you see that FreeBSD had 'seen' it ?

The answer is: it depends.  The below applies to SATA, SAS, and SCSI
only; you cannot hot-swap PATA disks.

If you have a hot-swap enclosure or a hot-swap backplane, and are using
a hardware RAID controller (and I do mean *real* hardware RAID, not
BIOS-level RAID like Intel MatrixRAID or Adaptec HostRAID), then the
FreeBSD controller driver should report the disk falling off the bus (if
a disk is removed), or a disk appearing on the bus (if a disk is added).
If the driver does not handle this natively, you will have to rely on
command-line utilities from the RAID card vendor to manage this.

If you have a hot-swap enclosure or a hot-swap backplane, and are using
software/OS-based RAID (such as gvinum, ccd, or ZFS), then it depends
on the underlying type of disk you're using.

With SATA disks, you rely on the FreeBSD ata(4) layer.  You are at the
whim of the ata(4) layer and its support for your motherboard chipset,
assuming that's what you're using (there are exceptions; see below).

Removal of a SATA disk should show the disk falling off the bus, and you
will need to perform atacontrol detach channel to ensure the kernel
knows the disk has been removed (this is not done automatically, despite
what you see on the console; I recommend you do the detach prior to
disk removal).

Addition of a SATA disk will require you to perform atacontrol attach
channel, and hopefully you will see the disk make and model show up
moments later.

With SCSI or SAS disks, you rely on the FreeBSD da(4) layer, backed by
the FreeBSD CAM(4) layer.  This layer is proven reliable, and even some
SATA RAID controllers use it (such as Areca controllers; yes, they're
SATA disks on a hardware RAID controller, but the FreeBSD driver for the
Areca card uses da(4) and CAM(4)).

Removal of a SCSI disk should show the disk falling off the bus.  You
can use camcontrol to examine the state of things; you may need to
use start/stop (it's been a while since I've used camcontrol).

Addition of a SCSI disk might require camcontrol rescan; again,
it's been a while since I've used camcontrol.

In general, there is no easy way to describe every single scenario under
the sun.  It greatly depends upon what hardware you're using, and what
kind of disk you're using.  If you choose to use a hardware RAID card,
the card user manual should describe *exactly* how to accomplish
additions and removals.

Chances are you're talking about generic SATA disks hooked up to your
generic motherboard.  You should be aware that FreeBSD is somewhat
flaky in this regard.  I've recently written about a disk swap gone
bad (while using a Promise TX4310 controller), which should give you
some idea of the chaos that can happen as a result of shoddy driver
support:

http://wiki.freebsd.org/JeremyChadwick/ZFS_disk_upgrade_gone_bad

This article is followed-up by a fully-working example when using
an Intel ICH-based board with Intel AHCI enabled (meaning, everything
worked flawlessly and exactly how it should've):

http://wiki.freebsd.org/JeremyChadwick/ZFS_disk_upgrade_gone_bad_part_2

I'm still in the process of writing the details that make up Part 2.

 Or is the the bsdlabel command?

bsdlabel(8) is what creates filesystems.  To format filesystems, you use
newfs(8).

 Is bsdlabel a partition management program (such as GParted, Partition
 Magic)?

No, that's fdisk(8).  FreeBSD calls these slices, not partitions,
but they're the same thing.

If you want to keep it simple, I recommend you use sade(8), which is
the text-based interface for partitioning and filesystem creation that
you see when you install FreeBSD.  If you don't have the sade
command, just run sysinstall and choose post-configuration.

 Is there any document (besides the manual pages bsdlabel, growfs, ..)
 that describes step-by-step what to do to grow an existing file system
 of to add a new file system on newly added disk space ?

What everyone else is telling you is sending you on a wild goose chase.
I'm sitting here imagining you clicking your mouse at 6000 clicks per
second, eyeballs rolling around, sweating profusely.  :-)  I wish
FreeBSD mailing list people wouldn't do this to new folks, because all
it's doing is confusing you.

The simple answer is this: on FreeBSD, there is not a reliable way to
grow an existing filesystem without taking the machine down, bringing
it into single-user, 

Re: How to upgrade to KDE4

2008-11-07 Thread mdh
--- On Fri, 11/7/08, Andrew Falanga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 From: Andrew Falanga [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: How to upgrade to KDE4
 To: RW [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 9:49 AM
 On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:26 PM, RW
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:52:06 -0800
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  the only
  thing that updated was the meta-port (I did a
 portupgrade -r too).
 
  Aside from the fact that there are separate kde
 meta-ports,
  portupgrade -r kde... updates the metaport and
 everything that depends
  on the metaport, not everything the metaport depends
 on.
 
 Thanks for the clarification.  I think I had things
 backwards.
 
 Also, as I'd like to go to KDE 4, should I do a make
 deinstall in
 kdebase, or perhaps pkg_delete for the kde packages before
 installing?
  I know that the first respondent said the two versions
 could be run
 in tandem, and while I've got plenty of disk space for
 this, it also
 seems quite error prone.  What would be the recommended
 course?

KDE3 and KDE4 co-habitate just fine.  You'll likely need KDE3 installed for 
some apps which don't use KDE4 libs yet.  I am pretty sure ktorrent is what 
installed kde3 on my system when I upgraded recently.  There are plenty of 
others, though.  KDE4 installs under /usr/local/kde4, while KDE3 installs under 
/usr/local at this time (assuming you haven't changed port bases yourself.)  
Because of this, you'll likely want to remember to add 
/usr/local/kde4/{bin,sbin} to your shell search paths, and remember to use kdm 
from KDE4 as your login manager (this tricked me at first, and I was wondering 
for a bit why I was still getting a KDE3 login manager until I realized that 
KDE4 went under /usr/local/kde4/).  I would not say that it is error prone at 
all.  Everything has, so far, worked out of the box just fine save a couple of 
KDE4 bugs I've tweaked, none of which are bad enough to prevent me from working 
normally in KDE4 or to make me want to dump KDE4.  

- mdh



  
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Confused About Linux Compatibility

2008-11-07 Thread Drew Tomlinson
I am attempting to install a Linux RPM of Legato's Networker Backup 
Client on FBSD 7.1  I do not know if this is possible but I hope so.  :)


I have followed instructions in the Handbook and 
http://www.linux.com/articles/53055.  I am at the point of installing an 
appropriate linux_base port and linux_base-f8 seemed like the most 
recent/reasonable.  However when I attempt to install, I get this output:


** Port marked as IGNORE: emulators/linux_base-f8:
   compat.linux.osrelease: 2.4.2 is not supported
** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed)
   - emulators/linux_base-f8

Further Google searches suggest that compat.linux.osrelease is a sysctl 
setting.  I've seen reference to setting it to 2.6.16 but also that this 
is experimental.  I found http://wiki.freebsd.org/linux-kernel but this 
leaves me confused as well.


Bottom line, what linux_base port should I install and do I need to set 
this sysctl to something?  I'm confused...


Thanks,

Drew

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Re: recommendation word processer for xfce

2008-11-07 Thread Al Plant

FBSD1 wrote:

Looking for word processer that runs on xfce and can output document in
ms/word format.

Thanks for your help.

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Aloha,  

I use ABIword from ports.

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Re: Openoffice 3.0.0 - spellchecker not functioning

2008-11-07 Thread Craig Butler


On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 18:13 +, Mike Clarke wrote:
 I've installed en-openoffice.org-GB-3.0.0 from ports on my 6.4-RC1 
 system. The install, using the command  
 portinstall  -m LOCALIZED_LANG=en-GB -DWITH_KDE 
 editors/openoffice.org-3, appeared to complete OK and I can 
 run /usr/local/bin/openoffice.org-3.0.0-swriter but attempts to check 
 spelling in a document with known spelling errors always fail to find 
 any errors.
 
 The Available language modules section in Tools - Options - Language 
 Settings - Writing Aids is empty, unlike my copy of Openoffice 2.3 
 which has 3 entries in this section.
 
 Should the language modules have been installed or have I missed 
 anything when installing the port?
 

Hi Mike,

Don't think ya missed anything, I am in the same boat...
I also compiled with the LOCALIZED_LANG=en-GB flag.

Anybody with a solution ? my spelling isn't that good so would need to
spell check my documents.

Regards

Craig B

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eps to jpg conversion - which program?

2008-11-07 Thread Laszlo Nagy


 Hi,

I need to convert eps files into jpeg files in batch mode. Gimp works 
perfectly, except that I cannot use an X display. I tried eps2png with 
no success:



%file test.eps
test.eps: DOS EPS Binary File Postscript starts at byte 30 length 566887 
TIFF starts at byte 566917 length 4741

%eps2png -jpg -width 1000 -verbose -output test.jpg test.eps
Producing jpg (jpeg) image.
Not EPS file: test.eps, skipped

What port should I use to convert EPS into JPG? I would like to use a 
program that shares the same library with Gimp, because we know that 
Gimp works great for this task.


Thanks,

  Laszlo

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Re: recommendation word processer for xfce

2008-11-07 Thread Frank Staals

FBSD1 wrote:

Looking for word processer that runs on xfce and can output document in
ms/word format.

Thanks for your help.

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Well not realy solution for the problem you mentioned. But if you have a 
bit of a programming background you may want to take a look at TeX/LaTeX 
for you documents. I know it may be like using a cannon to kill a fly 
but I prefer writing my documents in my basic-text editor using  TeX 
much rather than in a a word-like application. Besides that it looks a 
lot better IMO. Might be something to look into if you are not realy 
satisfied with word-processors.


Good luck,

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Re: (no subject)

2008-11-07 Thread Michael Powell
SAM HAYNES wrote:

 Greetings, O Learned Ones
 from:  Sam Haynes, Pathfinders 2008
 
 I haven't the foggiest as to how you came to be in my favorites list,
 other than that I probably tagged you in an ongoing search for both or
 either something to replace Win XP  and or build my own personal server.
 
 I have been usining XP for several years now.  Recently, I tried to
 install XP from my OEM cd and was notified by Gates and Company that XP
 would no longer be supported. Bummer! So what else is new?  Time to part
 company with Bill? Vista was tha final straw.
 
 I need something that will replace XP in all the essentials but without
 a useless bag full of coverups for poor performance..
 
 Debian was the first encouraging encounter. It was recommended as a
 cheap entry into the personal server concept, using a two to three year
 old PC chassis. Sounded good but I could never figure out just how to
 download it.
 
 So, FreeBSD appears in my fave list and server appears in the same
 paragraph as operating system.  Here is my plan.
 
 I am 76, a retired Master Electrician, PC builder since '87, have a wife
 of 40 plus years, debilitating medical problems and a strong belief that
 I can milk a living out of internet affiliate marketing despite the
 current economic crisis.
 
 My current model is to generate a basic website, use my existing isp to
 promote two consistent converting products, bootstrap the proceeds from
 that into building my own dedicated server to market 'how-to' products
 over a hundred or more websites.
 
 All using ready to serve apps and a WYSIWYG HTML  generator.
 
 I appreciate your time reading this over long monologue... I'd
 appreciate it even more if you could take some time to throw some
 suggestions back at me..
 
[snip]

Just some ideas from the $.02 department:

As far as replacing XP with something else to be used as a desktop machine,
ala the GUI route, my own personal preference is the KDE desktop. I've been
using it so many years now it is second nature, but there are
just useability patterns which I've become so accustomed to that make it
so I don't want to use XP any longer. I just like KDE as a GUI instead of
the XP interface. It is also, imho an easier transition from Windows for
someone with little or no Unix experience.

I used KDE on FreeBSD as my main desktop for many years, but I finally gave
in to openSUSE 10.3 on my workstation as I really found a need for
Virtualbox and being able to run virtual machines. I have three Linux
browsers, a VM with Windows XP SP2 and IE6, and a Windows XP SP3 VM with
IE7, Opera, Firefox, and Safari. I confirm that all xhtml-transitional web
pages I write look the same in all of these. And I can do this with no
rebooting the machine.

If you are totally new to Linux/Unix and have zero experience and just want
an easy, out of the box something other than XP you might try the latest
incarnation of Kubuntu. I know in a FreeBSD list these comments are
sacrilege, but the broader picture is what your needs truly are.


Now on the server side things are much different. In spite of the steep
learning curve associated with being a newbie to Unices, I still feel
FreeBSD makes a better server platform. You just need to recondition your
expectations to administrating it largely via command line, as most
sysadmins who operate FreeBSD servers do not install any GUI software on
them. I know I don't. You will find maintaining a FreeBSD server much less
aggravating than Linux. It is coherent, clean, well documented, a well
thought out and very complete operating system. Performance is pretty good
too. Especially when you factor in what you payed for it! :-)

As far as setting up server(s) at your home, this is a good way for
learning. It is also a test platform for any web sites you may be running.
Keep a mirror at home to make and evaluate changes thoroughly _before_
uploading them to your active site(s). Never make changes that you haven't
tested out first.

Now running a real live Web presence out of your house is probably not
really a good idea if it has anything to do with business. A personal blog
can go down for indefinite periods and no harm done, but a business site is
a different story. First, the reason for having your servers located in a
data center is they are sitting directly on the fat pipes of the
Internet. Second, these data centers are multi homed in their peerage to
other backbones. If one connection path develops a problem your site is
still going to be accessible via one of the other paths. You simply will
never have the kind of connectivity found in a real data center at home.

I do not approve of HTML WYSIWYG editing abominations such as Dreamweaver
and their ilk. They make it seem like anyone can write a Web page but in
reality what they output isn't standards compliant. Over the years I've
looked at a few, and found they all output crap. The only way to write
technically proficient Web sites is to know the material. It does 

host -6 failure

2008-11-07 Thread mdh
Howdy folks,
I'm having a little trouble understanding a problem that the `host` command in 
RELENG_7_0 (very recent) is having.  This is by and large my first time working 
with IPv6, which I've been meaning to learn for some time.  First off, I've got 
my zone file configured to return a  record for x1.mydomain and named isn't 
complaining.  However, when I run `host -6 x1.mydomain`, host returns the 
following output:

([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [/etc/namedb]: host -6 x1.mydomain
/usr/src/lib/bind/isc/../../../contrib/bind9/lib/isc/unix/socket.c:1179: 
internal_send: :::127.0.0.1#53: Invalid argument
/usr/src/lib/bind/isc/../../../contrib/bind9/lib/isc/unix/socket.c:1179: 
internal_send: :::IP.IP.IP.8#53: Invalid argument
/usr/src/lib/bind/isc/../../../contrib/bind9/lib/isc/unix/socket.c:1179: 
internal_send: :::127.0.0.1#53: Invalid argument
/usr/src/lib/bind/isc/../../../contrib/bind9/lib/isc/unix/socket.c:1179: 
internal_send: :::IP.IP.IP.8#53: Invalid argument
;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached

IP.IP.IP.8 is my ISP's DNS server, and is a third option just in case the 
localhost DNS server crashes or goes batty while I'm out drinking or somesuch.  
Here's my resolv.conf, which shows ::1 listed as the second nameserver entry - 
however, it seems host -6 never even tries it.  

domain  mydomain
search  mydomain
nameserver  127.0.0.1
nameserver  ::1
nameserver  IP.IP.IP.8

The DNS server running on localhost is authoritative for mydomain.  I can ping 
it via localhost using both v4 and v6, and I can also ping the external v4 and 
v6 addresses just fine remotely.  

As I said, I'm new to IPv6, but this behavior seems to be counterintuitive.  Am 
I just doing it wrong?  

Thanks, Matt



  
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Re: eps to jpg conversion - which program?

2008-11-07 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:36:51 +0100, Laszlo Nagy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Hi,
 
 I need to convert eps files into jpeg files in batch mode. Gimp works 
 perfectly, except that I cannot use an X display. I tried eps2png with 
 no success:

You can use the convert command from ImageMagick:

convert eps-file jpg-file

A batch solution is simple:

#!/bin/sh
for f in *eps; do
convert ${f} `basename ${f} .eps`.jpg
done

You can add

[ ! -f `basename ${f} .eps`.jpg ]  

infront of the convert command to avoid repeated conversions.



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Re: recommendation word processer for xfce

2008-11-07 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:37:21 +0100, Frank Staals [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well not realy solution for the problem you mentioned. But if you have a 
 bit of a programming background you may want to take a look at TeX/LaTeX 
 for you documents. I know it may be like using a cannon to kill a fly 
 but I prefer writing my documents in my basic-text editor using  TeX 
 much rather than in a a word-like application.

A big advantage is that LaTeX source files are plain text, so they
can be transferred between systems without problems. Furthermore,
you don't need a particular program to read a file.


 Besides that it looks a 
 lot better IMO.

From the standpoint of typography LaTeX is superior to any WYSIWYG
word processor. Why? Because it's a professional typesetting system.
Hyphenation, paragraph setting, picture adjustment and other things
tha are important are handled correctly. The support for other
languages (e. g. German) is excellent.


 Might be something to look into if you are not realy 
 satisfied with word-processors.

An alternative to use the power of LaTeX without needing to know
about the macros is to use LyX. But using LaTeX itself is much
easier.

The difference between LaTeX and the usual wprd processors is like
the difference between HTML (created by hand) and the crap that
comes out of authoring systems and CMSs.

I'm doing most of my stuff with LaTeX: Letters (dinbrief class),
technical documentation, statistics (in combination with gnuplot),
books (stories), lists and forms. When you're familiar with
LaTeX, you won't want to miss it, because you can work faster
*and* get better results than anyone with the usual Word skills,
clickity click, nyak nyak, blah blah. :-)



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Re: what is your programming language on freebsd?

2008-11-07 Thread Roger Olofsson



Wojciech Puchar skrev:

may be asking in the wrong mailing list, but my impression is that mono
on FreeBSD is generally not a popular idea.

To pose my questions to the developers in the FreeBSD community:
1. What programming language(s) do you deploy on FreeBSD?


whatever i need. i personally use mostly C.


2. Is FreeBSD more optimised in performance for any particular language?


i don't think so.


3. Is FreeBSD even a popular choice as a development platform, or is it
better suited as a special-purpose OS (eg. mail server, DNS server)?


i don't know how popular it is for what tasks. but it works excellent 
for all you specified. it's unix anyway.

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IMHO there are only three alternatives left these days when creativity 
seems to be fading C - the prince among languages and Eclipse + Java 
 - the future already today.


And - For learning purposes - the highly underrated Pascal by Niklaus Wirth.

In my mind C was created as a tool needed to create UNIXWhere did 
creativity like this vanish?


(does anyone still use the word homepage?) (cm.bell-labs.com/~dmr)


/Roger

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sudo, LDAP, and Kerberos

2008-11-07 Thread Darek M.
I'm setting up a centralized Kerberos/LDAP authentication system and 
trying to get sudo to use a) Kerberos for the password, and b) LDAP for 
a non-local user's group.


Locally on a client system /etc/sudoers specifies %sysadmin to be able 
to sudo to root.  I don't need to move sudoers to LDAP just yet.


I've had success on some machines compiling sudo from source with 
--enable-kerb5 and --enable-ldap.  But on many other systems sudo 
segfaults, or returns bus errors, and overall gave me nothing but grief.


So I'm looking for alternate ways of supplying sudo with a user's 
group.  Is it possible to compile sudo (without kerberos and ldap 
support) and configure a pam.d file (/etc/pam.d/sudo) to interact with 
kerberos and LDAP?  I created a sudo file with


authsufficient  pam_opie.so no_warn 
no_fake_prompts

authrequisite   pam_opieaccess.so   no_warn allow_local
authsufficient  pam_krb5.so warn try_first_pass
...

and running sudo (compiled with only a ./configure, no other options) as 
a non-local user I successfully authenticate, but then sudo has no idea 
of the group this user belongs to and says not in the sudoers file.  
Is it possible to use PAM as a go-between for sudo and the remote LDAP 
system to provide sudo with the user's group info?


How has everyone else set up a central auth system?  Seems to me sudo's 
configure script has some flaws and I don't want to rely on it.  Maybe 
there's a better way, but aside from sudo acting up, the above would be 
a fine set up for me.


Any pointers appreciated.
- Darek
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Re: what is your programming language on freebsd?

2008-11-07 Thread Wojciech Puchar
IMHO there are only three alternatives left these days when creativity seems 
to be fading C - the prince among languages and Eclipse + Java  - the 
future already today.
it's very sad that such crap like java have to be the future. 
unfortunately already it's popular.

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Re: Confused About Linux Compatibility

2008-11-07 Thread Eitan Adler
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Drew Tomlinson wrote:

 Bottom line, what linux_base port should I install and do I need to set
 this sysctl to something?  I'm confused...
If you have a recent 7-STABLE changing the linux kernel version to
2.6.16   and running -f8 should not be a problem.  If your running 6-*
or 7-RELEASE stick with linux base fc4.

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Re: Confused About Linux Compatibility

2008-11-07 Thread Boris Samorodov
Drew Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I am attempting to install a Linux RPM of Legato's Networker Backup
 Client on FBSD 7.1  I do not know if this is possible but I hope so.
 :)

 I have followed instructions in the Handbook and
 http://www.linux.com/articles/53055.  I am at the point of installing
 an appropriate linux_base port and linux_base-f8 seemed like the most
 recent/reasonable.  However when I attempt to install, I get this
 output:

 ** Port marked as IGNORE: emulators/linux_base-f8:
compat.linux.osrelease: 2.4.2 is not supported
 ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed)
- emulators/linux_base-f8

 Further Google searches suggest that compat.linux.osrelease is a
 sysctl setting.  I've seen reference to setting it to 2.6.16 but also
 that this is experimental.  I found
 http://wiki.freebsd.org/linux-kernel but this leaves me confused as
 well.

 Bottom line, what linux_base port should I install and do I need to
 set this sysctl to something?  I'm confused...

Current default (i.e. well tested and supported) linux base port is
linux_base-fc4 with compat.linux.osrelease=2.4.2. This should be your
first try. If you get any further questions a better mailing list (to
look for additional information as well as asking questions) is
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: Openoffice 3.0.0 - spellchecker not functioning

2008-11-07 Thread Nikola Lečić
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On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:17:25 +
Craig Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 18:13 +, Mike Clarke wrote:
  I've installed en-openoffice.org-GB-3.0.0 from ports on my 6.4-RC1 
  system. The install, using the command  
  portinstall  -m LOCALIZED_LANG=en-GB -DWITH_KDE 
  editors/openoffice.org-3, appeared to complete OK and I can 
  run /usr/local/bin/openoffice.org-3.0.0-swriter but attempts to
  check spelling in a document with known spelling errors always fail
  to find any errors.
  
  The Available language modules section in Tools - Options -
  Language Settings - Writing Aids is empty, unlike my copy of
  Openoffice 2.3 which has 3 entries in this section.
  
  Should the language modules have been installed or have I missed 
  anything when installing the port?
  
 
 Hi Mike,
 
 Don't think ya missed anything, I am in the same boat...
 I also compiled with the LOCALIZED_LANG=en-GB flag.
 
 Anybody with a solution ? my spelling isn't that good so would need to
 spell check my documents.

I have sr-openoffice.org-3.1.20081009/, i.e. openoffice.org-3-devel
compiled with

  'editors/openoffice*' = [
'LOCALIZED_LANG=sr',
'WITHOUT_CUPS=yes',
'WITH_SYSTEM_FREETYPE=yes',
'WITH_SYSTEM_ICU=yes',
  ]

on FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #0: Sun Oct 12 (i386) and I have all 3
sections in Tools - Options - Language Settings - Writing Aids.

The OpenOffice.org dictionaries page says:

IMPORTANT NOTE: From OpenOffice.org 3.0 on the dictionary wizard
is not longer available -- Dictionaries are now available via
the extensions repository.

[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Dictionaries]

So, the OpenOffice.org-3 users are supposed to download .oxt files and
run them. However, I experienced the 'bad transfer url' problem with all
extension files; this was reported on FreeBSD mailing lists in the past
with no available solution.

Happily, the instruction from the same page (DictOOo-Wizard, intended
for OpenOffice.org-2) worked just fine in my OpenOffice-3. I downloaded

  
http://ftp.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/contrib/dictionaries/dicooo/DicOOo.sxw

and it worked like a charm, installing Hunspell Spellchecker module and
dictionary files.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Openoffice 3.0.0 - spellchecker not functioning

2008-11-07 Thread Mike Clarke
On Friday 07 November 2008, Nikola Lečić wrote:

 Happily, the instruction from the same page (DictOOo-Wizard, intended
 for OpenOffice.org-2) worked just fine in my OpenOffice-3. I
 downloaded

  
 http://ftp.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/contrib/diction
aries/dicooo/DicOOo.sxw

 and it worked like a charm, installing Hunspell Spellchecker module
 and dictionary files.

 Hope this helps.

Thanks for your help Nikola. I downloaded and ran DictOOo-Wizard and it 
worked perfectly.

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Re: recommendation word processer for xfce

2008-11-07 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 08:51:06AM +0200, Ross Cameron wrote:
 On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 5:34 AM, FBSD1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Top posting is how Microsoft outlook works. Nothing I can do about
  it.
  sorry
 
 Ditch Outlook and use Evolution or Thunderbird or KMail or hell anything

. . . or, as someone else pointed out, one could just learn to scroll to
the end before typing.  It's not that difficult -- even in Outlook.

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Glob error?

2008-11-07 Thread Steve Watt
( Please cc: me on replies, as I can't keep up with traffic on -questions )

I did the following:

% cd /tmp
% mkdir -p a/dir1/new a/dir1/cur
% mkdir -p b/dir1/new b/dir1/cur
% mkdir -p c/dir1/new c/dir1/cur
% ls -ld */dir1/new
drwxrwxr-x  2 steve  wheel  512 Nov  7 15:10 a/dir1/new/
% 

System is:
FreeBSD wattres.Watt.COM 6.3-STABLE FreeBSD 6.3-STABLE #9: Tue May 13 16:06:34 
PDT 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/WATTRES  i386

Source was probably updated a few hours before the kernel build time.

Shell doesn't seem to matter (have tried both tcsh and bash).

My cygwin installation seems to get it right.

Known issue?  A quick glance for glob in gnats didn't show anything promising.
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Re: (no subject)

2008-11-07 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 06:28:07AM -0500, Michael Powell wrote:
 
 If you are totally new to Linux/Unix and have zero experience and just want
 an easy, out of the box something other than XP you might try the latest
 incarnation of Kubuntu. I know in a FreeBSD list these comments are
 sacrilege, but the broader picture is what your needs truly are.

I'd suggest PC-BSD instead, and not only because it's a FreeBSD spin-off.
It also provides PBI for software management, which will surely provide a
gentler transition for people used to the Microsoft way of installing
software, and doesn't make a lot of the design mistakes I see in Ubuntu
and its spin-offs.

DesktopBSD is a pretty good choice along those lines, too.  Still better
than Ubuntu, in my opinion.

Furthermore . . . they both use KDE by default, and you don't have to use
a red-headed stepchild or second-hand citizen like Kubuntu to get it.


 
 Now running a real live Web presence out of your house is probably not
 really a good idea if it has anything to do with business. A personal blog
 can go down for indefinite periods and no harm done, but a business site is
 a different story. First, the reason for having your servers located in a
 data center is they are sitting directly on the fat pipes of the
 Internet. Second, these data centers are multi homed in their peerage to
 other backbones. If one connection path develops a problem your site is
 still going to be accessible via one of the other paths. You simply will
 never have the kind of connectivity found in a real data center at home.

Make sure the colocation facility of your choice is multi-homed before
simply assuming it is.  Some aren't.

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Re: Glob error?

2008-11-07 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:13:03 -0800, Steve Watt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ( Please cc: me on replies, as I can't keep up with traffic on -questions )
 
 I did the following:
 
 % cd /tmp
 % mkdir -p a/dir1/new a/dir1/cur
 % mkdir -p b/dir1/new b/dir1/cur
 % mkdir -p c/dir1/new c/dir1/cur
 % ls -ld */dir1/new
 drwxrwxr-x  2 steve  wheel  512 Nov  7 15:10 a/dir1/new/
 % 

Really strange... I did use C Shell on FreeBSD 7-STABLE.

% mkdir -p a/dir1/new a/dir1/cur
% mkdir -p b/dir1/new b/dir1/cur
% mkdir -p c/dir1/new c/dir1/cur
% ls -ld */dir1/new
drwxr-xr-x  2 poly  staff  512 Nov  8 00:57 a/dir1/new/
drwxr-xr-x  2 poly  staff  512 Nov  8 00:57 b/dir1/new/
drwxr-xr-x  2 poly  staff  512 Nov  8 00:57 c/dir1/new/


 Shell doesn't seem to matter (have tried both tcsh and bash).

I did try BASH too, with same result as above - works. The calls
to mkdir and ls refer to programs, not to shell internal commands.
The only problem could be the * wildcard that the shell would
have to expand before calling the actual ls program...




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Re: Glob error?

2008-11-07 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 03:13:03PM -0800, Steve Watt wrote:
 ( Please cc: me on replies, as I can't keep up with traffic on -questions )
 
 I did the following:
 
 % cd /tmp
 % mkdir -p a/dir1/new a/dir1/cur
 % mkdir -p b/dir1/new b/dir1/cur
 % mkdir -p c/dir1/new c/dir1/cur
 % ls -ld */dir1/new
 drwxrwxr-x  2 steve  wheel  512 Nov  7 15:10 a/dir1/new/
 % 
 
 System is:
 FreeBSD wattres.Watt.COM 6.3-STABLE FreeBSD 6.3-STABLE #9: Tue May 13 
 16:06:34 PDT 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/WATTRES  i386
 
 Source was probably updated a few hours before the kernel build time.
 
 Shell doesn't seem to matter (have tried both tcsh and bash).
 
 My cygwin installation seems to get it right.
 
 Known issue?  A quick glance for glob in gnats didn't show anything 
 promising.

I can't reproduce this on any of the systems I have access to:

8.0-CURRENT amd64(build: 2008/11/07)
7.1-PRERELEASE amd64 (build: 2008/10/02)
7.1-PRERELEASE i386  (build: 2008/10/12)
7.0-STABLE i386  (build: 2008/04/19)
6.4-PRERELEASE i386  (build: 2008/10/02)
6.4-PRERELEASE i386  (build: 2008/10/02; different box)
6.2-STABLE i386  (build: 2007/08/02)
4.8-RC i386  (build: 2003/03/18)

P.S. -- You're playing with Maildir, aren't you?  :-)

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Re: Openoffice 3.0.0 - spellchecker not functioning

2008-11-07 Thread Craig Butler


On Fri, 2008-11-07 at 22:01 +, Mike Clarke wrote:
 On Friday 07 November 2008, Nikola Lečić wrote:
 
  Happily, the instruction from the same page (DictOOo-Wizard, intended
  for OpenOffice.org-2) worked just fine in my OpenOffice-3. I
  downloaded
 
   
  http://ftp.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/contrib/diction
 aries/dicooo/DicOOo.sxw
 
  and it worked like a charm, installing Hunspell Spellchecker module
  and dictionary files.
 
  Hope this helps.
 
 Thanks for your help Nikola. I downloaded and ran DictOOo-Wizard and it 
 worked perfectly.
 

also worked like a charm here, thanks a million.

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Re: Glob error?

2008-11-07 Thread Steve Watt
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 04:19:47PM -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
 On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 03:13:03PM -0800, Steve Watt wrote:
  ( Please cc: me on replies, as I can't keep up with traffic on -questions )
  
  I did the following:
  
  % cd /tmp
  % mkdir -p a/dir1/new a/dir1/cur
  % mkdir -p b/dir1/new b/dir1/cur
  % mkdir -p c/dir1/new c/dir1/cur
  % ls -ld */dir1/new
  drwxrwxr-x  2 steve  wheel  512 Nov  7 15:10 a/dir1/new/
  % 
  
  System is:
  FreeBSD wattres.Watt.COM 6.3-STABLE FreeBSD 6.3-STABLE #9: Tue May 13 
  16:06:34 PDT 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/WATTRES  i386
  
  Source was probably updated a few hours before the kernel build time.
  
  Shell doesn't seem to matter (have tried both tcsh and bash).
  
  My cygwin installation seems to get it right.
  
  Known issue?  A quick glance for glob in gnats didn't show anything 
  promising.
 
 I can't reproduce this on any of the systems I have access to:

Interesting.  The cvsup was 13 May, about 21Z.  I can't reproduce it
on a 7.1-PRE box (build: 2008-Oct-15) either.

The 6.3-STABLE box has been well-behaved since, so I haven't had a lot
of reason to futz with it.  Maybe I'll run it up to the top of 6-STABLE
tonight.

 8.0-CURRENT amd64(build: 2008/11/07)
 7.1-PRERELEASE amd64 (build: 2008/10/02)
 7.1-PRERELEASE i386  (build: 2008/10/12)
 7.0-STABLE i386  (build: 2008/04/19)
 6.4-PRERELEASE i386  (build: 2008/10/02)
 6.4-PRERELEASE i386  (build: 2008/10/02; different box)
 6.2-STABLE i386  (build: 2007/08/02)
 4.8-RC i386  (build: 2003/03/18)
 
 P.S. -- You're playing with Maildir, aren't you?  :-)

Hmm...  Wonder what tipped you off?  :)

I switched over to dovecot in Maildir mode for some of my users who
seem to have excessively large mailboxes.  Performance is much better
for them, and I'm trying to adapt myself.

Anyone know of patches for mush to use maildir or imap?  (Antique finger
neurons that really don't want to be retrained.)
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Re: recommendation word processer for xfce

2008-11-07 Thread Daniel Howard
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Chad Perrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 08:51:06AM +0200, Ross Cameron wrote:
 On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 5:34 AM, FBSD1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Top posting is how Microsoft outlook works. Nothing I can do about
  it.
  sorry

 Ditch Outlook and use Evolution or Thunderbird or KMail or hell anything

 . . . or, as someone else pointed out, one could just learn to scroll to
 the end before typing.  It's not that difficult -- even in Outlook.

Press the END key.

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Re: Glob error?

2008-11-07 Thread Paul A. Procacci

Steve Watt wrote:

( Please cc: me on replies, as I can't keep up with traffic on -questions )

I did the following:

% cd /tmp
% mkdir -p a/dir1/new a/dir1/cur
% mkdir -p b/dir1/new b/dir1/cur
% mkdir -p c/dir1/new c/dir1/cur
% ls -ld */dir1/new
drwxrwxr-x  2 steve  wheel  512 Nov  7 15:10 a/dir1/new/
% 


System is:
FreeBSD wattres.Watt.COM 6.3-STABLE FreeBSD 6.3-STABLE #9: Tue May 13 16:06:34 
PDT 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/WATTRES  i386

Source was probably updated a few hours before the kernel build time.

Shell doesn't seem to matter (have tried both tcsh and bash).

My cygwin installation seems to get it right.

Known issue?  A quick glance for glob in gnats didn't show anything promising.
  


I too can't reproduce this on any of my machines:

nat# mkdir -p {a,b,c}/dir/{cur,new}
nat# ls -ld */dir/*
drwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  512 Nov  7 19:07 a/dir/cur
drwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  512 Nov  7 19:07 a/dir/new
drwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  512 Nov  7 19:07 b/dir/cur
drwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  512 Nov  7 19:07 b/dir/new
drwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  512 Nov  7 19:07 c/dir/cur
drwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  512 Nov  7 19:07 c/dir/new

Awefully strange indeed.
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new idea: requiring php and java; maybe other ports...

2008-11-07 Thread Gary Kline

Yesterday while I was trying to read a newspaper article online 
using firefox yet-another idea struck me.  This may/may not work
with FreeBSD ... or is might be crafted for FBSD 1st and later
ported to every other operating system.  To avoid flames, I'll
just mention this.  Any interested hackers, please write me
offlist.

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Re: Confused About Linux Compatibility

2008-11-07 Thread Drew Tomlinson

Eitan Adler wrote:

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Drew Tomlinson wrote:

  

Bottom line, what linux_base port should I install and do I need to set
this sysctl to something?  I'm confused...


If you have a recent 7-STABLE changing the linux kernel version to
2.6.16   and running -f8 should not be a problem.  If your running 6-*
or 7-RELEASE stick with linux base fc4.
  


Thank you for your reply.  I am running 7.1-PRERELEASE.  I plan to 
update to 7.1-RELEASE as soon as I can get to the console, probably 
within the next month or so.  Is 7.1-PRERELEASE recent enough for -f8?  
It was built Oct. 9th.  Is there any big advantage of -f8 over -fc4?  I 
guess I just *feel* like -f8 would be more updated and less hassle in 
the long run.  However I know that with software, newer isn't always 
better.  :)


Thanks,

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Re: Confused About Linux Compatibility

2008-11-07 Thread Drew Tomlinson

Boris Samorodov wrote:

Drew Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  

I am attempting to install a Linux RPM of Legato's Networker Backup
Client on FBSD 7.1  I do not know if this is possible but I hope so.
:)

I have followed instructions in the Handbook and
http://www.linux.com/articles/53055.  I am at the point of installing
an appropriate linux_base port and linux_base-f8 seemed like the most
recent/reasonable.  However when I attempt to install, I get this
output:

** Port marked as IGNORE: emulators/linux_base-f8:
   compat.linux.osrelease: 2.4.2 is not supported
** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed)
   - emulators/linux_base-f8

Further Google searches suggest that compat.linux.osrelease is a
sysctl setting.  I've seen reference to setting it to 2.6.16 but also
that this is experimental.  I found
http://wiki.freebsd.org/linux-kernel but this leaves me confused as
well.

Bottom line, what linux_base port should I install and do I need to
set this sysctl to something?  I'm confused...



Current default (i.e. well tested and supported) linux base port is
linux_base-fc4 with compat.linux.osrelease=2.4.2. This should be your
first try. If you get any further questions a better mailing list (to
look for additional information as well as asking questions) is
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Thanks for your reply and the suggestion of [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Cheers,

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Messenger servers

2008-11-07 Thread Da Rock
I haven't checked the list for around a week- I'm still catching up! :)

I'm trying to sort out a messenger server for work purposes, and
although I've found a few I'm hoping some input from sysadmins who have
deployed these might help our decision. I've found Gale, Jabberd2,
OpenFire, and SJECS (Sun Java Communication Suite).

Our requirements are for collaboration (multiple users simultaneous
chatting together- with audio/video if possible), realtime audio/video
(with a preference for audio; ergo video can go to the dogs to maintain
audio quality, although a means to adjust this- on the fly if possible-
would be useful), and chat.

Tall order, eh? Ease of admin would be good, but my main concern is
stability and reliability (I'll make up a software solution to
administrate if needs be).

Thanks guys.

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Re: (no subject)

2008-11-07 Thread Da Rock

On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 19:45 -0500, SAM HAYNES wrote:
 Greetings, O Learned Ones
 from:  Sam Haynes, Pathfinders 2008
 
 I haven't the foggiest as to how you came to be in my favorites list, 
 other than that I probably tagged you in an ongoing search for both or 
 either something to replace Win XP  and or build my own personal server.
 
 I have been usining XP for several years now.  Recently, I tried to 
 install XP from my OEM cd and was notified by Gates and Company that XP 
 would no longer be supported. Bummer! So what else is new?  Time to part 
 company with Bill? Vista was tha final straw.
 
 I need something that will replace XP in all the essentials but without 
 a useless bag full of coverups for poor performance..
 
 Debian was the first encouraging encounter. It was recommended as a 
 cheap entry into the personal server concept, using a two to three year 
 old PC chassis. Sounded good but I could never figure out just how to 
 download it.
 
 So, FreeBSD appears in my fave list and server appears in the same 
 paragraph as operating system.  Here is my plan.
 
 I am 76, a retired Master Electrician, PC builder since '87, have a wife 
 of 40 plus years, debilitating medical problems and a strong belief that 
 I can milk a living out of internet affiliate marketing despite the 
 current economic crisis.
 
 My current model is to generate a basic website, use my existing isp to 
 promote two consistent converting products, bootstrap the proceeds from 
 that into building my own dedicated server to market 'how-to' products 
 over a hundred or more websites.
 
 All using ready to serve apps and a WYSIWYG HTML  generator.
 
 I appreciate your time reading this over long monologue... I'd 
 appreciate it even more if you could take some time to throw some 
 suggestions back at me..
 
 Thanks,
 
 Sam I Am, PATHFINDERS 2008

Perhaps you should try the linux distros first to get a bit of a feel of
*nix variants? FreeBSD can be daunting to the first time user, but is
one hell of a production system once you know how to handle it properly.

Maybe start with Ubuntu rather than Debian straight off (I never quite
worked out how to download Debian either... wierd bunch that :) ), it is
a bit like a half way house for new users, and helps out with some of
the usual administrative tasks. Fedora is another good one, but the
support is better with ubuntu, plus the Ubuntu is more forgiving admin
wise.

In any case I'd say you'll be in for a steep learning curve, but at
least the gradient is not as sharp when you start with Ubuntu.

Keep watching this list, it'll answer any questions you have (no matter
how silly they may seem to experienced users, and without most of the
condescension you'll find on a lot of lists- Ubuntu support is similar
to this list), and read the handbook, and eventually you'll be able to
tame one of the most powerful operating systems in the computing world
and put it to work for you. Some servers have been going for months and
even years without stopping (depending on security required and
experience of the admin), so it is rock solid.

Good luck!

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Re: Messenger servers

2008-11-07 Thread Steven Susbauer
Da Rock wrote:
 I haven't checked the list for around a week- I'm still catching up! :)
 
 I'm trying to sort out a messenger server for work purposes, and
 although I've found a few I'm hoping some input from sysadmins who have
 deployed these might help our decision. I've found Gale, Jabberd2,
 OpenFire, and SJECS (Sun Java Communication Suite).
 
 Our requirements are for collaboration (multiple users simultaneous
 chatting together- with audio/video if possible), realtime audio/video
 (with a preference for audio; ergo video can go to the dogs to maintain
 audio quality, although a means to adjust this- on the fly if possible-
 would be useful), and chat.
 
 Tall order, eh? Ease of admin would be good, but my main concern is
 stability and reliability (I'll make up a software solution to
 administrate if needs be).
 
 Thanks guys.
 
I would avoid OpenFire, some pretty gnarly vulnerabilities were
announced today, and the vendor doesn't seem to be in a hurry to fix them.

http://www.andreas-kurtz.de/advisories/AKADV2008-001-v1.0.txt

Good luck!
   -Steve




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Re: Glob error?

2008-11-07 Thread andrew clarke
On Fri 2008-11-07 15:13:03 UTC-0800, Steve Watt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

 % mkdir -p a/dir1/new a/dir1/cur
 % mkdir -p b/dir1/new b/dir1/cur
 % mkdir -p c/dir1/new c/dir1/cur
 % ls -ld */dir1/new
 drwxrwxr-x  2 steve  wheel  512 Nov  7 15:10 a/dir1/new/

What file system are you using?
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install on Dell SMT-116B

2008-11-07 Thread S C
I'm trying to install 7.0-RELEASE from cd on a Dell SMT-116B, but it is hanging 
on GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider acd0 is iso9660/FreeBSD_INSTALL.

Is this computer just incompatible with FreeBSD, or is there something I can do 
to get it working?



  
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Port Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator for FreeBSD?

2008-11-07 Thread Mike Price
Hello guys,

Is there a port like Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator for FreeBSD?
I would like to move to FreeBSD as soon as possible.


Thanks,
DEK
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