No. The company CREATES a need for their product.
That's the number one rule.
if they succeed - what's wrong?
You tell me.
nothing. As long as nobody is forced to buy someones product, every kind
of propaganda is allowed. It's just peoples problem if they will believe
that they NEED for
The usefulness of government intervention into private lives,
businesses, etc. is never going to be resolved on this forum. I am just
going to leave with something I received at a business lecture a few
years ago. It was by a Princeton professor, Dr. Webner I believe.
quote
Innovation has never
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 03:13:13PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
Done the same with HP Laserjet 4000 duplex - it even received
an IP automatically via DHCP, so I just had to arp -a and
edit /etc/hosts and /etc/printcap. The lpq / lprm tools seemed
to operate on the printer server inside
is a perfect choice. i recommend it for every unix user.
Thanks for the pointer! I was actually looking for a set of ethernet
print servers, and this looks very promising.
Can you confirm that the PS-1206P works well under RELENG_7?
it can't. it's ethernet device not PC peripheral so it
I know what socialism means. You seem not to. I haven't anywhere advocated
state ownership of businesses - in fact I very clearly stated that I believe
in a free market with only that level of regulation required to keep it free
from monopoly abuse.
You are wrong. there is no monopoly abuse
Wojciech Puchar said the following on 2009-05-28 23:06:
Poland is now slowly losing independence
Poland has never had any independence. Your argument is moot.
generally you are right.
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Basic law of marketing is to give the public what they want.
No. The company CREATES a need for their product.
That's the number one rule.
if they succeed - what's wrong?
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The usefulness of government intervention into private lives,
businesses, etc. is never going to be resolved on this forum.
And will it be resolved with discussion anywhere else with anyone else? ;)
Only usage of crude force can change the way things go today. And both me
and anyone on that
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 05:18:07PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
is a perfect choice. i recommend it for every unix user.
Thanks for the pointer! I was actually looking for a set of ethernet
print servers, and this looks very promising.
Can you confirm that the PS-1206P works well
it can't.
Okay, thank you. I'll order one and test drive it here,
and if it works as it should, I'll order the remaining
200 or so if we're satisfied. ;)
so ask edimax directly you certainly get a discount on it. But of course
test before.
I installed only 7 in various places.
hooked
On Thursday 28 May 2009 22:52:47 Jerry wrote:
Did you ever bother to consider that if the printer manufacturers
actually formed a consensus on a printer language, some third world
county or the EU would probably sue them. Nothing I have seen in 20
years equals the audacity of the EU. As long
The EU has acted against two companies (Microsoft and Intel) who have used
illegal business methods to protect and extend their monopolies and suppress
competition.
This is just the occasion to get another tax by UE clerks. As Microsoft
and Intel just pay a fine, and doesn't really change
2009/5/29 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl:
The EU has acted against two companies (Microsoft and Intel) who have used
illegal business methods to protect and extend their monopolies and
suppress
competition.
This is just the occasion to get another tax by UE clerks. As
Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
CUPS isn't extra software in my opinions.
CUPS is a PITA, but it may nevertheless be the least bad
solution if one is stuck with a junk printer.
Decent, network-capable, PostScript printers do not have to be
costly. I bought a Samsung ML-2571N at Fry's for
Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
... If the printer has PS or PCL, gs or even apsfilter will help.
Dunno about PCL, but if the printer has PS it surely does not need
gs. The whole point of gs -- in connection with printing -- is to
translate PS into some other form that a non-PS printer can
On Fri, 29 May 2009 09:34:36 +0200
Jonathan McKeown j.mcke...@ru.ac.za wrote:
On Thursday 28 May 2009 22:52:47 Jerry wrote:
Did you ever bother to consider that if the printer manufacturers
actually formed a consensus on a printer language, some third world
county or the EU would probably sue
CUPS isn't extra software in my opinions.
CUPS is a PITA, but it may nevertheless be the least bad
solution if one is stuck with a junk printer.
i really have nicer things to do that fighting with winprinter, when i can
get normal printer for really low price.
Decent, network-capable,
The concept behind the EU is socialism, pure and simple. It attempts to
unfortunately yes. and i'm so unfortunate to live here. Strange enough
Poland are fortunately very behind in this at least under current
government, but the question is how long...
feeders. A free, open market is the
Anyway i am against any such regulations. Free Market is a best regulator.
As people DO LIKE their products and the slavery by using them - their
problem.
Do you really think the free market protects our freedoms?
When it's FREE it does.
Of course there are lot of people that believe in
On Fri, 29 May 2009 01:09:45 -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
CUPS is a PITA, but it may nevertheless be the least bad
solution if one is stuck with a junk printer.
Don't get me wrong, please: I do not like CUPS, and I don't
use it (I prefer apsfilter). CUPS requires too much dependencies
But regarding its alternatives... there are none. Those modern#
printers can usually only get to work using CUPS, because apsfilter
there are. don't use these modern printers. Of course not all of them.
It's natural that you buy hardware that will be supported by software you
use. CUPS is
On Fri, 29 May 2009 09:48:29 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
maybe yet? but yes - i think the first poster exaggerated things. UE
doesn't (yet?) fights with open standard. They even say they are promoting
it. Of course best they can do is not to do
On Fri, 29 May 2009 01:35:00 -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
... If the printer has PS or PCL, gs or even apsfilter will help.
Dunno about PCL, but if the printer has PS it surely does not need
gs. The whole point of gs -- in connection with
it. Of course best they can do is not to do anything.
In fact, they're simply ignoring it.
The best they can do with anything that exist.
If they would like to really punish MS, fines will be much higher and
MEANINGFUL to microsoft.
But that's not intended, as you pointed out. The
output PS when printing (that's a standard), the data can be sent
directly to the printer that processes it.
In case of PCL, apsfilter is quite okay, but you can just employ
gs to do the work, so apsfilter is not neededly required. It can
isn't apsfilter just using gs as backend?
On Fri, 29 May 2009 15:35:47 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
output PS when printing (that's a standard), the data can be sent
directly to the printer that processes it.
In case of PCL, apsfilter is quite okay, but you can just employ
gs to do the
[Sorry for the excessive quoting - I couldn't decide which bits to take out]
On Friday 29 May 2009 12:48:00 Jerry wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2009 09:34:36 +0200
Jonathan McKeown j.mcke...@ru.ac.za wrote:
On Thursday 28 May 2009 22:52:47 Jerry wrote:
Did you ever bother to consider that if the
Whoa. I don't think that level of personal attack is appropriate or acceptable
behaviour in a public forum. (I call it attack because you clearly regard
socialist as a swear word. I'm not a socialist but I don't regard it as an
insult.
it's not insult. it's just lethal disease than must be
Anyway, it allows you to do something that CUPS won't: It lets
you install a printer that is not attached to the system. Yes,
I know, sounds stupid. :-)
nothing stupid. As CUPS (and lots of modern software) is based on
windows-like philosophy even if runs on unix, it's quite natural.
Someone
On Fri, 29 May 2009 16:04:22 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
nothing stupid. As CUPS (and lots of modern software) is based on
windows-like philosophy even if runs on unix, it's quite natural.
Someone decided that the right steps of installing driver is
On Fri, 29 May 2009 15:50:45 +0200
Jonathan McKeown j.mcke...@ru.ac.za wrote:
[Sorry for the excessive quoting - I couldn't decide which bits to
take out]
On Friday 29 May 2009 12:48:00 Jerry wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2009 09:34:36 +0200
Jonathan McKeown j.mcke...@ru.ac.za wrote:
On Thursday 28
printer and then install, so user HAVE TO FOLLOW the steps.
Allthough CUPS is for UNIX (the U in CUPS), I think it's a bit sad
it runs on unix. But it was written by people that thinks windows-way.
Like most of new soft for unix.
Well it's really bad printer support on unix, lets make it as
Microsoft.
Look up the definition of 'socialism'. Then look at who comprises the
EU. Their attempts to 'level the playing field' is nothing more than
no sense to explain again things that are clear to anyone that do observe,
instead of living in virtual world created by TV.
The original
Quoting Jerry ges...@yahoo.com:
Look up the definition of 'socialism'.
I know what socialism means. You seem not to. I haven't anywhere
advocated state ownership of businesses - in fact I very clearly
stated that I believe in a free market with only that level of
regulation required to
Wojciech Puchar said the following on 2009-05-28 23:06:
Poland is now slowly losing independence
Poland has never had any independence. Your argument is moot.
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polsk_riksdag
http://www.popularhistoria.se/o.o.i.s?id=43vid=344
Jerry said the following on 2009-05-28 22:43:
Basic law of marketing is to give the public what they want.
No. The company CREATES a need for their product.
That's the number one rule.
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Jerry said the following on 2009-05-29 12:48:
On Fri, 29 May 2009 09:34:36 +0200
The concept behind the EU is socialism, pure and simple.
You don't know the meaning of the word socialism
It attempts to
create an artificial playing field that allows the incompetent to
compete with the
On Wed, 27 May 2009 17:09:05 +0100, Chris Rees utis...@googlemail.com wrote:
Seriously, why give up on something because it takes an hour or two
out of your day, and carry on the ~seven minute
reboot-to-'Windows'-cycle out of laziness? Sounds counter-productive
and defeatist.
The idea is that
On Wed, 27 May 2009 13:37:06 -0400, Jerry ges...@yahoo.com wrote:
2) The technology exists, as demonstrated by Microsoft, to easily
configure a printer.
It's because MICROS~1 are part of the system that builds the
concepts for the printers, and the printers itself. Because
of their monopoly
2) The technology exists, as demonstrated by Microsoft, to easily
configure a printer.
It's because MICROS~1 are part of the system that builds the
concepts for the printers, and the printers itself. Because
of their monopoly positzion, they can say: If you build a
printer, make drivers for our
2009/5/27 Jerry ges...@yahoo.com:
On Wed, 27 May 2009 17:09:05 +0100
Chris Rees utis...@googlemail.com wrote:
Seriously, why give up on something because it takes an hour or two
out of your day, and carry on the ~seven minute
reboot-to-'Windows'-cycle out of laziness? Sounds counter-productive
On Thu, 28 May 2009 12:13:42 +0100
Chris Rees utis...@googlemail.com wrote:
So you suggest leaving one computer running 'Windows' on solely as a
print server? Is that an efficient use of power, space and hardware?
1) You are assuming it is only one PC. Actually, there are several.
2)
2) Considering FLASH support in FBSD sucks, I find that I regularly need
there are no flash support in FreeBSD as there are no support for internet
explorer or Wojtek's super-ultra-super software (if that exist ;).
It's not FreeBSD job at all, but programmer job of that software.
It's an
On Thu, 28 May 2009 14:42:31 +0200 (CEST)
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
2) Considering FLASH support in FBSD sucks, I find that I regularly
need
there are no flash support in FreeBSD as there are no support for
internet explorer or Wojtek's super-ultra-super software
this, and in the same time accept how Adobe treats me, i will just buy
it.
But it have nothing to do with FreeBSD support.
Sorry for long post about it, but i DO HAVE to correct your wrong
statement.
Actually, you are a troll.
thank you very much.
On Thu, 28 May 2009 12:09:57 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
The problem is that most buyers are more happy when they get added value
for free like tons of CD's
Even if they never use it.
Manufacturers do what market required, no matter how dumb it is.
On Thu, 28 May 2009 14:42:31 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
While FBSD has many fine uses, primarily in the server department, it
is solely lacking as a full service desktop replacement for me. I
As usual it depends on needs - for me it provides all i
On Thu, 28 May 2009 09:09:41 -0400, Jerry ges...@yahoo.com wrote:
Actually, you are a troll.
Actually, I allow myself to tell you that this is untrue. :-)
He's right. FreeBSD is an advanced operating system that provides
basic means to drivers and applications (and to do some other
things). So
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 06:31:41PM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
As it has truthfully been mentioned, it would be possible for
Adobe to release a native version of Flash for FreeBSD, even
if they don't put their sources into BSDL. But they don't want
to. (It's their right to do so, of course.)
On Thu, 28 May 2009 19:09:09 +0200, cpghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote:
Basically put: you get what you pay for.
That was true in the past, but today, it's much more complicated
than just regularing an article's quality over the price. You
can - without any problems - get crap for (too) much
Actually, you are a troll.
Actually, I allow myself to tell you that this is untrue. :-)
but i said thank you for such nomination. i feel proud :)
I'm waiting for certified professional FreeBSD Troll (TM) printed and
laminated certificate! should i give a snail-mail address?
He's right.
That was true in the past, but today, it's much more complicated
than just regularing an article's quality over the price. You
can - without any problems - get crap for (too) much money. You
pay for a brand name, or a standard's name, but you get crap.
HP products (printers, cameras, and other
The problem is that most buyers are more happy when they get added value
for free like tons of CD's
Even if they never use it.
but they HAVE. You probably observed already that lots of people buy
things to HAVE them. You are right.
Manufacturers do what market required, no matter how dumb
I may add that I'm using FreeBSD exclusively (!) on my desktop
since version 4.0 without any problems. I just don't describe
the use desktop with runs 'Flash' flawlessly. As Wojciech
still today i don't get explanation what is desktop usage.
Well my second computer stays on the desk. is it
On Thu, 28 May 2009 21:29:40 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
but i said thank you for such nomination. i feel proud :)
I'm waiting for certified professional FreeBSD Troll (TM) printed and
laminated certificate! should i give a snail-mail address?
Write a
On Thu, 28 May 2009 21:43:32 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
I don't agree it's bad idea of removing processing hardware from printer.
It's good idea as such processing is a blink of eye for today computers.
in general, I would agree, but some BASIC
I'm waiting for certified professional FreeBSD Troll (TM) printed and
laminated certificate! should i give a snail-mail address?
Write a letter to Redmond, they usually pay good if you
are willing to propagate their opinion. :-)
i want this certificate from man who call me troll, not
in general, I would agree, but some BASIC FUNCTIONALITY should
be brought by the printer itself, and if it's only ASCII printing,
so things like
% ls /etc /dev/ulpt0
what's wrong in ls /etc|lpr
?
Exactly, THAT's the problem. If all manufacturers would agree to
have a certain
On Thu, 28 May 2009 22:24:46 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
in general, I would agree, but some BASIC FUNCTIONALITY should
be brought by the printer itself, and if it's only ASCII printing,
so things like
% ls /etc /dev/ulpt0
what's wrong
The above command works, for example, with a line printer
(dotmatrix printer) with NO driver, even works with a HP
Laserjet - it uses the built-in text fonts to print the
text.
You exaggerate, configuring /etc/printcap and filter is natural part of
printer installation.
incredibly simple to
On Thu, 28 May 2009 21:12:43 +0200 (CEST)
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
The problem is that most buyers are more happy when they get added
value for free like tons of CD's
Even if they never use it.
but they HAVE. You probably observed already that lots of people buy
On Thu, 28 May 2009 22:06:40 +0200
Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
On Thu, 28 May 2009 21:43:32 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
I don't agree it's bad idea of removing processing hardware from
printer. It's good idea as such processing is a blink of eye
On Thu, 28 May 2009 22:33:20 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
You exaggerate, configuring /etc/printcap and filter is natural part of
printer installation.
[...]
As i already told, manufacturer don't need to say this, instead say the
same as already says.
but they HAVE. You probably observed already that lots of people buy
things to HAVE them. You are right.
That is an incredibly stupid statement.
This is an incredibly stupid behaviour, but unfortunately true.
While a user may buy a product
that contains additional software that they do not
Did you ever bother to consider that if the printer manufacturers
actually formed a consensus on a printer language, some third world
county or the EU would probably sue them.
for setting up open standard? why?
while i probably have similar (or worse) opinion about EU, to which Poland
is now
On Thu, 28 May 2009 16:43:10 -0400, Jerry ges...@yahoo.com wrote:
You statement, buy
things to HAVE them makes no sense.
I may politely disagree. I know several people who bought a
new high-end PC and stuff for more than 3000 Euro and are
treating it as a worse typewriter. Some stuff has never
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2009/5/26 Polytropon free...@edvax.de:
Jerry,
please excuse my reply, but I think you're not right, and
unfair.
snip /
Atleast in Germany, they let a computer literate friend
do this, because they are not able to, not willing to, or
just too lazy. :-)
snip /
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 17:09:05 +0100
Chris Rees utis...@googlemail.com wrote:
Seriously, why give up on something because it takes an hour or two
out of your day, and carry on the ~seven minute
reboot-to-'Windows'-cycle out of laziness? Sounds counter-productive
and defeatist.
1) You are assuming
Jerry,
please excuse my reply, but I think you're not right, and
unfair.
On Mon, 25 May 2009 15:48:16 -0400, Jerry ges...@yahoo.com wrote:
Seriously, one of the major problems I face when trying to get an
associate or friend to try a non Windows solution is printing. Windows
users are use to
would just use a
Windows PC. Then again, that is just my 2ยข.
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On Mon, 25 May 2009 12:01:49 -0700 (PDT)
kristian.tenorio kristian.teno...@gmail.com wrote:
Nice, go on using Windows, Jerry. I will use my FreeBSD Box.
But I'd like to point out that my earlier solution is not that good.
I'm going to fix it here, Jerry and I'm sure this'll be interesting for
On Sat, 23 May 2009 09:10:53 -0700 (PDT)
kristian.tenorio kristian.teno...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, you have a Canon iP8500. I guess I can really help you.
I have tried TurboPrint on FreeBSD and it works. Here is what I did:
0) I installed the Fedora linux compat package from my FreeBSD discs
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On Thu, Jun 29, 2006 at 08:59:51PM +0530, Chandan Haldar wrote:
I'm searching for ways to print on a Canon PIXMA IP8500
from FreeBSD 6.0 Release.
Has anyone tried to make the linux driver for PIXUS IP 8600
from canon.jp work for the PIXMA IP 8500 on FreeBSD?
Has anyone tried the
Couldn't fix it with the time I could spend... so still saving printouts for
Windoz. :-( I know, I know, it's a shame...
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On Thu, Jun 29, 2006 at 08:59:51PM +0530, Chandan Haldar wrote:
I'm searching for ways to print on a Canon PIXMA
I'm searching for ways to print on a Canon PIXMA IP8500
from FreeBSD 6.0 Release.
Has anyone tried to make the linux driver for PIXUS IP 8600
from canon.jp work for the PIXMA IP 8500 on FreeBSD?
Has anyone tried the TurboPrint linux driver on FreeBSD?
I need it bad enough to even buy this Euro
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