Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem

2012-08-23 Thread Thomas Mueller
So this statement in the WikiP is false? systemd is Linux-only by design, as it relies upon features such as cgroups and fanotify.[6] Debian is avoiding the adoption of systemd due to this issue.[7] -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. I read an

Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem

2012-08-22 Thread Michel Talon
David Jackson said: In reference to the claims that systemd developers do not care about portability, this is deceptive and misleading. You should read the following interview of Lennart Poettering http://linuxfr.org/nodes/86687/comments/1249943 The amount of hubris and self confidence he

Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem

2012-08-22 Thread Jamie Paul Griffin
[ Michel Talon wrote on Wed 22.Aug'12 at 12:29:56 +0200 ] David Jackson said: In reference to the claims that systemd developers do not care about portability, this is deceptive and misleading. You should read the following interview of Lennart Poettering

Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem

2012-08-22 Thread CyberLeo Kitsana
On 08/21/2012 09:04 PM, David Jackson wrote: In reference to the claims that systemd developers do not care about portability, this is deceptive and misleading. It implies that he is building in a dependance on intractable hardware platform dependance when this is absolutely not the case,

Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem

2012-08-22 Thread Jerry
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:29:56 +0200 Michel Talon articulated: David Jackson said: In reference to the claims that systemd developers do not care about portability, this is deceptive and misleading. You should read the following interview of Lennart Poettering

Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem

2012-08-22 Thread Jerome Herman
Le 22/08/2012 13:59, Jerry a écrit : On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:29:56 +0200 Michel Talon articulated: David Jackson said: In reference to the claims that systemd developers do not care about portability, this is deceptive and misleading. You should read the following interview of Lennart

Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem

2012-08-22 Thread David Jackson
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Jamie Paul Griffin ja...@kode5.net wrote: [ Michel Talon wrote on Wed 22.Aug'12 at 12:29:56 +0200 ] David Jackson said: In reference to the claims that systemd developers do not care about portability, this is deceptive and misleading. You should

Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem

2012-08-22 Thread Polytropon
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:41:05 -0400, David Jackson wrote: On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Jamie Paul Griffin ja...@kode5.net wrote: [ Michel Talon wrote on Wed 22.Aug'12 at 12:29:56 +0200 ] David Jackson said: In reference to the claims that systemd developers do not care about

Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem

2012-08-22 Thread Markiyan Kushnir
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2011-July/231832.html Already read and discussed/flamed here. -- Markiyan. On 22.08.2012 13:29, Michel Talon wrote: David Jackson said: In reference to the claims that systemd developers do not care about portability, this is deceptive

Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem

2012-08-22 Thread Jonathan McKeown
On Wednesday 22 August 2012 15:41:05 David Jackson wrote: So this is clearly not about portability, FreeBSD is free to implement these software interfaces to assure that software is portable to FreeBSD. Really? You make software portable by writing it to one environment and then changing every

Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem

2012-08-22 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:41 PM, David Jackson djackson...@gmail.com wrote: That sort of shows my point in fact. There is nothing stopping FreeBSD from implementing cgroups, udev, fanotify, timerfd, signalfd, its not like Linux is going to enforce patents on these things, its software, and

Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem

2012-08-22 Thread J B
Hi, I think it would be useful to get familiar with what systemd is, technically and fundamentally. Here is a thread in which a knowledgeable professional questions many technical aspects of it: open this thread in one browser window (to get a nice overview of what you already read):

Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem

2012-08-22 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
David == David Jackson djackson...@gmail.com writes: David The fact is, FreeBSD can fully support systemd and all kernel and system David features, there is nothing here that is impossible for FreeBSD to David support. So this statement in the WikiP is false? systemd is Linux-only by

Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem

2012-08-21 Thread Hans Ottevanger
On 08/20/12 16:42, Mark Felder wrote: Those in on the core teams here are very well aware. Did you notice we've survived this long without ALSA? :-) However, this is very good reading for anyone who hasn't looked at Linux lately, and it's worth mentioning that this is snowballing quickly. I used

Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem

2012-08-21 Thread Chad Perrin
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 09:42:32AM -0500, Mark Felder wrote: Those in on the core teams here are very well aware. Did you notice we've survived this long without ALSA? :-) However, this is very good reading for anyone who hasn't looked at Linux lately, and it's worth mentioning that this is

Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem

2012-08-21 Thread David Jackson
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:09 AM, jb jb.1234a...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, here is an interesting comment (basically echoing other people's view) on Linux developments: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20120820 Reader Comments 1 o Arch and systemd (by Microlinux on 2012-08-20 10:11:39

Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem

2012-08-21 Thread David Jackson
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:20 PM, David Jackson djackson...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:09 AM, jb jb.1234a...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, here is an interesting comment (basically echoing other people's view) on Linux developments: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20120820

Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem

2012-08-20 Thread jb
Hi, here is an interesting comment (basically echoing other people's view) on Linux developments: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20120820 Reader Comments 1 o Arch and systemd (by Microlinux on 2012-08-20 10:11:39 GMT from France) Much has been said on the subject of Systemd. Let me quote

Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem

2012-08-20 Thread Mark Felder
Those in on the core teams here are very well aware. Did you notice we've survived this long without ALSA? :-) However, this is very good reading for anyone who hasn't looked at Linux lately, and it's worth mentioning that this is snowballing quickly. I used to really like some Linux

Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem

2012-08-20 Thread Jerry
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:09:12 + (UTC) jb articulated: here is an interesting comment (basically echoing other people's view) on Linux developments: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20120820 Reader Comments 1 o Arch and systemd (by Microlinux on 2012-08-20 10:11:39 GMT from France)

Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem

2012-08-20 Thread jb
Jerry jerry at seibercom.net writes: However, the influence of their employer is so big that these products are forced upon the wider UNIX community and at some point it will be assimilate or die. ... Personally, I embrace progress. Even if there are ten failures in a row, that one

Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem

2012-08-20 Thread Michael Powell
Mark Felder wrote: Those in on the core teams here are very well aware. Did you notice we've survived this long without ALSA? :-) However, this is very good reading for anyone who hasn't looked at Linux lately, and it's worth mentioning that this is snowballing quickly. I used to really like

Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem

2012-08-20 Thread Jamie Paul Griffin
== jb wrote on Mon 20.Aug'12 at 17:40:40 + == The end effect is, they consciously want to screw up Linux and non-Linux (UNIX, *BSD, etc) ecosystems that opt not to follow them (read some additional comments that appeared in the meantime in the comments section of Distrowatch). This is

Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem

2012-08-20 Thread Jerry
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:40:40 + (UTC) jb articulated: This is a bad thing for all UNIX or UNIX-like ecosystems, performed under the noble flag of progress to neutralize and fight opposition. Do you have any idea how idiotic that statement sounds? What are you planning on doing? Are you

Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem

2012-08-20 Thread Robison, Dave
nice ad hominem screed On 08/20/2012 12:57, Jerry wrote: On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:40:40 + (UTC) jb articulated: This is a bad thing for all UNIX or UNIX-like ecosystems, performed under the noble flag of progress to neutralize and fight opposition. Do you have any idea how idiotic that

Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem

2012-08-20 Thread Mark Felder
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:57:14 -0500, je...@seibercom.net wrote: Support for FLASH basically sucks. Please stop trolling. I've been using flash with zero issues for 3 years. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list