Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-07-12 Thread ya knygar
Indeed, and in that dividing into actionable parts the problem is consensus: consensus that we need to break it down into parts, consensus on what parts, consensus on who defined the parts. To me this is independent from mailing-list / other communication. IMO it should come from TAC /

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-07-12 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 16:05 -0300, Sébastien Lerique wrote: If the Foundation and/or the TAC want to pull back and start planning as a smaller group I'm fine with it (although I would have loved to be part of that process), I think if done properly it would even serve the goals better (as a

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-07-12 Thread Sébastien Lerique
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/07/11 20:38, Stefano Maffulli wrote: On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 16:05 -0300, Sébastien Lerique wrote: If the Foundation and/or the TAC want to pull back and start planning as a smaller group I'm fine with it (although I would have loved to be

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-07-08 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On 11-07-08 at 02:50pm, John Walsh wrote: At connection time, I should be allowed to opt-in to having my name published by a friend - it is my identity after all. I was also reminded about what I consider a major privacy flaw in all social networks. When you post to your wall you are

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-07-08 Thread nathan nolast
seems like we keep walking in circles how do we allow users to identify themselves or each other, yet remain anonymous. The process of identifying a user, determining someone is who they say they are crosses the threshold and puts the said user at risk of being identified ect ect. Yes, all

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-07-07 Thread nathan nolast
i think keysignings violate lutzs ease of use (grandma can use it) rule . On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor d...@fifthhorseman.netwrote: On 07/06/2011 02:43 PM, Tony Godshall wrote: Obviously a keysigning party is not appropriate for people who want to be anonymous. But

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-07-07 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 07/07/2011 02:41 AM, nathan nolast wrote: i think keysignings violate lutzs ease of use I agree that current keysigning methods are cumbersome, primarily due to the requirement that human beings have to cognitively process long hexadecimal strings (large numbers). I recommend reviewing the

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-07-07 Thread The Doctor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/06/2011 02:43 PM, Tony Godshall wrote: anonymous. But I don't see why, if you've verified a claimed identity in some other reasonable sense you cannot sign someone's key even if its pseudonymous. You can sign a pseudanonymous key and

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-07-07 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 07/07/2011 02:36 PM, The Doctor wrote: You can sign a pseudanonymous key and publish it. What you have to be cognizant of, however, is the trust level of the pseudanonymous key (set when the public key is signed), which ranges from 0 (no trust at all) to 5 (trust fully). Urgh, this is not

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-07-07 Thread Sandy Harris
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:41 PM, nathan nolast nathan1...@gmail.com wrote: i think keysignings violate lutzs ease of use (grandma can use it) rule . Is it enough if people just sign their grandmas' keys? ___ Freedombox-discuss mailing list

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-07-07 Thread John Walsh
Hi Mike and Everybody Friendika was mentioned in this thread but in a different context, so I wanted to point out what we do for profile personas. There may be some ideas you can use. It's a distributed system, but has multiple profiles. You can tailor any profile for any person or

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-07-06 Thread Tony Godshall
Um... keysingings? https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Key_signing_party Not that they're particularly user-friendly :-( Keysigning parties work well, but if pseudanonymity is your goal you'll have to either accept a much lower trust rating from everyone there because you won't

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-07-06 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 07/06/2011 02:43 PM, Tony Godshall wrote: Obviously a keysigning party is not appropriate for people who want to be anonymous. But I don't see why, if you've verified a claimed identity in some other reasonable sense you cannot sign someone's key even if its pseudonymous. i agree; given

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-07-05 Thread Henry Story
On 4 Jul 2011, at 15:50, Melvin Carvalho wrote: You dont need AX (attribute exchane), just use the HTML5 data layer, which should be fine if freedom box is hosting a web server. I looked at WebID a year ago and thought the idea was simple and brillant. However, at the time, I thought

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-07-05 Thread knel...@gmail.com
Submit a patch. Its open source. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Henry Story henry.st...@bblfish.net wrote: On 4 Jul 2011, at 15:50, Melvin Carvalho wrote: You dont need AX (attribute exchane), just use the HTML5 data layer, which should be fine if

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-07-05 Thread The Doctor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/01/2011 11:14 PM, Tony Godshall wrote: Um... keysingings? https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Key_signing_party Not that they're particularly user-friendly :-( Keysigning parties work well, but if pseudanonymity is your goal

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-07-04 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 4 July 2011 07:25, John Walsh fiftyf...@waldevin.com wrote:  Hi Melvin, From: Melvin Carvalho [mailto:melvincarva...@gmail.com] Basically at myopenid.com you can create different Personas (profiles of information), which you choose at the time you login with openid. For me you could

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-07-04 Thread Mike Macgirvin
Friendika was mentioned in this thread but in a different context, so I wanted to point out what we do for profile personas. There may be some ideas you can use. It's a distributed system, but has multiple profiles. You can tailor any profile for any person or group of people. There is a

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-07-03 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 3 July 2011 00:58, John Walsh fiftyf...@waldevin.com wrote: Behalf Of Tony Godshall ... The same principle exist between a reporter and a whistleblower. The pseudonymity article suggests the technology exists to protect freedom fighters through unlinkable pseudonyms. It's

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-07-03 Thread John Walsh
Hi Tony, -Original Message- From: apgodsh...@gmail.com [mailto:apgodsh...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Tony Godshall Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2011 2:04 AM To: fiftyf...@waldevin.com Cc: freedombox-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org Subject: Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-07-02 Thread John Walsh
From: J David Eisenberg [mailto:jdavid.eisenb...@gmail.com] You might also want to investigate Friendika (1); I'm running a Friendika server (2), and it also allows groups, though I haven't worked with them extensively. The Friendika protocol is documented and in the public domain (3)

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-07-02 Thread Tony Godshall
... Another concern for me is the project has a BSD license. Does this make it incompatible with the freedombox project? Which licences does the freedombox support? ... The BSD license without the advertising clause meets all relevant FLOSS definitions:

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-07-02 Thread Tony Godshall
... Friendika's documentation makes a good point that all communications do not need to be reciprocal. Boy gives a girl his number allowing the girl to call him, but the boy cannot call the girl until she gives him permission(her number). I never thought of that use case. ... Yes, I think

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-07-02 Thread John Walsh
Behalf Of Marc Manthey At the time you friend (connect) a profile instead of Accept you must choose a relationship(s) (sibling, parent, etc.) or Ignore. The same as facebook this relationship selection remains private. These relationships can be based on XFN(1). This minimises

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-07-02 Thread John Walsh
Behalf Of Tony Godshall ... The same principle exist between a reporter and a whistleblower. The pseudonymity article suggests the technology exists to protect freedom fighters through unlinkable pseudonyms. It's important, I think, to be able to extend the web of trust to

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-07-01 Thread Marc Manthey
We can do it like Facebook. Everybody friends your profile and you manually group them. The grouping is private in that your friends don't know what groups they're in (and most of the time, even if they've been grouped at all). At the time you friend (connect) a profile instead of Accept you

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-07-01 Thread ya knygar
please, take a look on XMPP initiatives for federated social staff with security and privacy in mind. XMPP is very flexible and mature stack of protocols, and, with all respect, we'll need the flexibility. i'll repost: http://primarypad.com/OeMj2ZnZqo list, there are - enough projects in various

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-07-01 Thread ya knygar
because cisco bought it ? that's only - one, small, outcome ;) ___ Freedombox-discuss mailing list Freedombox-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-07-01 Thread Tony Godshall
... The same principle exist between a reporter and a whistleblower. The pseudonymity article suggests the technology exists to protect freedom fighters through unlinkable pseudonyms. It's important, I think, to be able to extend the web of trust to people we can identify and trust, not just

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-06-29 Thread Marc Manthey
On Jun 29, 2011, at 9:28 AM, John Walsh wrote: Families/individuals should manage their own personal identities through their own domain name, but instead most people have Google and Facebook manage their personal identities - nobody would do this in the real world. exactly john,

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Relationship driven privacy

2011-06-29 Thread James Vasile
There are a few options in how we sort contacts into groups. We can do it like Facebook. Everybody friends your profile and you manually group them. The grouping is private in that your friends don't know what groups they're in (and most of the time, even if they've been grouped at all). We