Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

Could you post a link to one or two of the discussions, and how they went down? I really need to read something like that right now. On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:50 PM, Nathan wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Neotarf wrote: > >> >> That said,

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

You linked to a discussion on the ideas lab which you stated included 26 people speaking out against sexual harassment. Most of those people are not indeffed or sanctioned in any way. Many of them are administrators or hold other permissions. Risker On 29 September 2015 at 08:25, Neotarf

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

Once again this is an area which needs research and numbers, starting with looking at all the complaints and even mentions of harassment at WP:ANI and WP:Arbitration for say the last 5 years. If I wasn't busy catching up on my own projects, I'd help any of the researchers who have come by

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

Hi All - I wanted to take a quick second and introduce myself. My name is Francesca Tripodi and I'm working on my dissertation in Sociology/Media Studies. I'm looking specifically at participatory media spaces (Reality TV, Yik Yak, and Wikipedia) and a strong theme emerging in my cases are how

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 8:25 AM, Neotarf wrote: > Could you post a link to one or two of the discussions, and how they went > down? I really need to read something like that right now. > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:50 PM, Nathan wrote: > >> >> Hi Neotarf,

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

I am surprised to discover that you believe I have been indeffed. Perhaps you need to redefine what you are talking about. There are dozens of people on this list, and plenty of others on that page you just linked, who have objected publicly to sexual harassment but have never been blocked or

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Neotarf wrote: > @Risker: "I have a simple question to ask: How many people in this thread > have publicly or privately requested to the Wikimedia Foundation ED that > additional resources be assigned to trust and safety issues such as death >

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

@Risker: "I have a simple question to ask: How many people in this thread have publicly or privately requested to the Wikimedia Foundation ED that additional resources be assigned to trust and safety issues such as death threats?" Answer: 26.

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

within Wikimedia projects. <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats! Rupert, I suppose I'm jaded by some of the things that people have characterized as a death threat over the years. Nasty as it may be to say "r

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

On 9/27/2015 1:49 AM, rupert THURNER wrote: anne, thank you so much, for the first time i think i understand the problem. "rot in hell" is a very good example of anger. anger is something common on wikipedia, anger management is something surprisingly ignored. Just in case people don't

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

Ahh, the essay that keeps on giving *preen*. George William Herbert Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2015, at 9:27 AM, Risker wrote: > > Neotarf is correct, it is the guideline to address suicide threats and > similar threats of serious harm to self or others (e.g., "I'm

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

Neotarf is correct, it is the guideline to address suicide threats and similar threats of serious harm to self or others (e.g., "I'm going to go shoot up my school") - in other words, that guideline is intended to capture situations where there is a reason to contact police or similar authorities

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

I have a simple question to ask: How many people in this thread have publicly or privately requested to the Wikimedia Foundation ED that additional resources be assigned to trust and safety issues such as death threats? There was an annual plan posted for about three days of community comment

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

The WMF may or may not help editors who are receiving death threats via their email systems - I'd venture to guess that in the majority of cases they're handled by admins or CUs or arbitrators by the expedient of blocking the accounts with email turned off. If you're saying you really don't want

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

rupert, i and carol have a somewhat different experience with the police. it is unclear if i would trust them to keep identity confidential. WMF should act regardless of legal status. this merry go round of not providing clear lines of responsibility and action (other than round file) is part of

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

A lot of online threats, including death/rape threats, aren't really worth taking seriously. They're just talk, rude-arse and not even remotely productive, but still just the sort of dumbarse talk some people try to do to bully folks. Blocking them is indeed reasonable, as they are unlikely to

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

I'll be happy to see a lot of the information and reasoning explained in the harassment document, including first encouraging people to contact an administrator. (Identifying administrators who are experienced in the topic would help too.) Reasons one might not immediately contact police -

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

@Carol Moore, I believe that link is about suicide threats. Did you mean to link to something else? On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Carol Moore dc wrote: > Because of an offline discussion about the 1000 odd death threats I got > directly through the Wikimedia

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

I was referring to threats to kill someone that clearly come from a known Wikipedia handle or editor, or, as in my case, a person who is known because it's the same kind of message they have been known to send to various others many times before. In my case threats were sent through Wikimedia

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

anne, thank you so much, for the first time i think i understand the problem. "rot in hell" is a very good example of anger. anger is something common on wikipedia, anger management is something surprisingly ignored. i never read about it in a mailing list, and i do not know a single person in the

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

risker you are joking? a death threat is a case for the police not for the wikimedia foundation. wikimedia foundation is not a para-military or para-police organization replacing standard legal systems, the wikimedia community is also not a community outside other legal systems, with special rules

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

Rupert, I suppose I'm jaded by some of the things that people have characterized as a death threat over the years. Nasty as it may be to say "rot in hell", that's not a death threat. It was an interesting challenge to explain to someone once that "die you gravy-sucking pig" was actually a Steve