Sexist harassment on Wikipedia is real, but the sort of stuff that
normally
goes on in the online gaming world is orders of magnitude more offensive
and damaging.
Also Wikipedia is not a video game :-)
Gaming draws from much more difficult, and troubled, demographic sectors.
They may share
Just dropping in to share this:
http://incisive.nu/2012/how-to-kill-a-troll/
with you. I started surfing from:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/02/us/sexual-harassment-in-online-gaming-stirs-anger.html
and edited a bit at [[online game#Bad behavior]].
Fred
I've never particularly felt the boys club atmosphere on Wikipedia
that apparently deters some women. However, I am very angry right now.
I tried to add [[date rape]] as a see also link to the very
incomplete article [[college dating]]. The relevance seemed obvious to
me. It was removed by
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Block_review_for_Baseball_Bugs
The first unblock statement shares the link to the joke and the
reprimand
by an admin on the users page telling them they can get blocked for
ongoing
comments like that.
You are right, of course, what we do is bad enough, without having to
answer for the expectations of what our gender is expected to do.
Fred
Thanks for posting this, Sarah. I was hesitant to link to it while it was
an
active thread. My basic feeling in this case was that the user's comments
Help is needed.
Fred
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From:Hisham his...@wikimedia.org
Date:Fri, October 7, 2011 7:46 am
To: Wikipedia Ambassadors India
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I think it just shows another aspect of Wikimedia that I think needs a
better examination - banning and blocks and activities of those members
on
other projects. Extended blockings (1 year) and bannings mean that a
user
can't participate on that one project - but they are welcome to
You say, Would it not be more consistent to use a more balanced and
cohesive aesthetic style across the whole subject of human reproduction
and sexuality?
Yes, and we do discuss that here. One train of thought is to use images
of people as they are rather than idealized images.
Fred
Hi
Why is an OTRS ticket being discussed on a public mailing list? Correct
me
if I'm wrong but I thought the ticket info and address were supposed to
be
private, unless otherwise noted, no?
Regards
Theo
I didn't see anything confidential here. OTRS referred her to this list.
Fred
I know that it is not typically stringently enforced on mailing lists,
but
I think that enforcing [[WP:CIVIL]] would be a good idea on this list. I
can understand concerns over any form of moderation, but believe that for
this list the benefits far outweigh the costs. An open atmosphere
A bit rude are we? It would have been more useful to simply mention the
other list, which I clearly was not aware of. Also, discussion followed
on
whether this is a positive development, and whether a number of other
divisions will (or should) spring up after this.
If anyone really would
To beef up women's assertiveness so they protest, or to give more power
to some authoritarian editors to delete and block reverters, that is the
question. Why not do both?? :-) Or just get more assertive female
admins.
A job I myself shrink at the thought of. I already have enough problems
And to think I was strongly criticized for posting about High Noon moments
You'd make a fine administrator, and any process that would not do so is
broken. Many of us know that and talk freely about it, but we've not been
able to get far, or even get up the energy to try.
Fred
So I've been
Twice recently I have been reverted for removing vulgar jokes from
article talk pages on the English Wikipedia - most recently for removing
a joke who's punchline was A woman's anus after she was sodomized!.
Although I appreciate the use of humor on Wikipedia, and support the
inclusion of
It seems from my experience that WP:RD2 is usually interpreted fairly
narrowly, at least in the cases I've tried to use it. Specifically it
requires the material to be grossly offensive and excludes 'ordinary'
incivility. In the world of Wikipedia, grossly offensive is a pretty
high bar it
So you think we might get more done if we have the common sense not to
discuss politics and religion?
Fred
Hi everyone,
Apologies for my bad English. English is not my mother tongue.
Let us not use this mailing list to discuss religion. Let us concentrate
on
strategies to improve
This rant is inappropriate.
Islam doesn't do tolerance, in the sense that we understand it. In Islam
you cannot leave, it is death penalty if you chose another religion.
There is a grain of truth in such accusations, but you ascribe them to
the entire religion.
A part of what we are doing here
A lot of this surgery is cosmetic surgery, thus it is a matter of taste,
not a matter of dysfunction or normality. And, usually, is quite private
and nobody's business. So, I don't see a problem so long as the cosmetic
aspect is clear.
There is a plastic surgeon who specializes in this area that
On 17/09/2011 20:14, Fred Bauder wrote:
A lot of this surgery is cosmetic surgery, thus it is a matter of
taste,
not a matter of dysfunction or normality. And, usually, is quite
private
and nobody's business.
From an average citizen's point of view, certainly. From a parent's,
educator's
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com
wrote:
I searched for hairdresser and was directed to barber.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser
Kind of interesting, that it directs to barber and then discusses male
barbers and men's haircutting culture.
Did anyone see the quote of the day?
Part of me wonders if was intended for us.. ;-)
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Main_Page
Hahaha! ;-)
Never argue with a garbage truck
Did anyone see the quote of the day?
Part of me wonders if was intended for us.. ;-)
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Main_Page
Hahaha! ;-)
Never argue with a garbage truck
http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/fashion/students-startup-weaves-a-web-that-keeps-growing-20110914-1k9hi.html
http://wikifashion.com/wiki/Main_Page
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Wikifashionaction=editredlink=1
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Sarah Stierch
sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote:
This is a NSFW photo
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Korean_Vulva2.jpg
Five for deletion, two for keep. This is its third nomination.
An admin came in today and declared it
+1. There are hundreds of photographs of women sunbathing, walking down
the
street, etc. It makes me severely uncomfortable that we have people
taking
photographs of people in a voyeuristic manner uploading images to
Commons,
Flickr, whatever. Just because someone (of any gender) lays on
Here's something we might do though. Addition of any image which violates
anyone's privacy to any article can be suppressed on the English
Wikipedia. Using this policy: Removal of non-public personal
information, such as phone numbers, home addresses, workplaces or
identities of pseudonymous or
As soon as I have some free time, I'll whip up such a template and throw
it into the water. It'll be interesting to see how it is received.
Ryan Kaldari
Ok, sounds like a plan. I'll make a noise in the east; you strike in the
west...
Fred
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This is a NSFW photo
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Korean_Vulva2.jpg
Five for deletion, two for keep. This is its third nomination.
An admin came in today and declared it being kept because No valid
reason
for deletion, per previous decisions. Person
http://gawker.com/5838090/monica-lewinsky-wants-to-go-into-pr
Notice the sympathetic comments.
I wonder what our article looks like.
Fred
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On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 22:22, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
As Sarah Stierch points out, our images of sexuality and reproduction
are crap, broadly speaking, and our paperwork/processes are
self-evidently not good for attracting high quality photographs. What
processes should we
Several women, including on WikiProject Feminism on the English
Wikipedia, have recently expressed concern about the number of
photographs of women's body parts that Wikimedia hosts, particularly
regarding the issue of permission.
It's far from clear in many cases that the women have given
Any thoughts on having a gender gap or women's outreach IRC channel?
I think it'd be nice to have an open hang out for those interested (of
any
gender) to participate in not only conversation, but, have live action
dialogue about articles of concern and so forth.
Or is that opening a can
I work with professional women every day whose careers are in the world
of information. They are avid Twitterers, expert Flickrites, Facebook
fiends, and Foursquare addicts. At my library science grad program,
everyone knows how to use MediaWiki, as it is used internally for
classes. And
Some research:
http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_viewnewsLang=ennewsId=20110628005338div=-867702808
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--- On Sat, 2/7/11, carolmoor...@verizon.net carolmoor...@verizon.net
wrote:
From: carolmoor...@verizon.net carolmoor...@verizon.net
Subject: [Gendergap] New Survey: 9% female editors
To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Saturday, 2
Wikipedia is equipped to deal with particular editing issues. Every edit
is logged and can be viewed and discussed. Without specifics we assume
everyone, you and those you had trouble with, was editing in good faith
and had some more or less good reason for their edits or comments.
You do seem
http://www.dragonsearchmarketing.com/blog/guide-2-new-york-city-wikipedia-meetup/
Fred
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It is on the English Wikipedia that an attempt was made to draw firm
lines regarding civility; though it has partially failed.
Our efforts were even mentioned in The New York Times, although, when I
searched I found this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/09/technology/09blog.html
Which is
/Wikipedia:Username#Company.2Fgroup_names
That blocking policy sometimes comes across as a bit harsh. It is always
better to have a word with the editor first, rather than block them
outright.
Andreas
--- On Fri, 20/5/11, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
From: Fred Bauder fredb
This response here is emblematic of the misogyny and ageism pervading
Commons:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File_talk%3AOn_the_edge_-_free_world_version.jpgaction=historysubmitdiff=54489618oldid=54483841
Coming up with stuff old women like would actually be a good idea, but
--- On Wed, 18/5/11, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt wrote:
From: Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] [Commons-l] Fwd: Photo of the Day on Wikimedia
Commons
To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Wednesday, 18
Fred, as I've already noted, the offending comment was apparently
*not*eliminated from the final tally of the votes made by George
Chernilevsky,
though omitting it would not have changed the outcome of the vote.
Nepenthe
It should not have been considered. That is our standard practice with
Could we agree that a decision not to feature a medicore and non-notable
piece of original art that offers no or little educational value is _not_
censorhip?
And could we agree that featuring a medicore and non-notable piece of
original art that offers no or little educational value, just
In this case, Sarah, change the policy of what should be in Main Page, or
change the Sexual policy (in discussion by the way).
_
*Béria Lima*
So where is that discussion? I found Commons:Sexual content and
Help:Sexual content and its talk page. But what we're talking about here
is not
My point is this: a significant number of women (current and potential
editors) don't want to work in a I like the big tits atmosphere,
whatever
was meant by it. Others don't mind. Point is that some *do* mind.
Sarah
So, was it an inane remark or a symptom of an atmosphere? I'm pretty sure
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:16, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net
wrote:
My point is this: a significant number of women (current and
potential
editors) don't want to work in a I like the big tits atmosphere,
whatever
was meant by it. Others don't mind. Point is that some *do* mind
On May 18, 2011, at 12:47 PM, Sarah wrote:
I did say something in the end, and an uninvolved admin left a note on
talk asking that the remarks cease. And though he meant well, and I was
and remain grateful to him for stepping in, he asked that they cease as
a matter of courtesy to me.
Hey all,
Apologies if this isn't the appropriate list/discussion to post to; I
learned a lot by following the last BLP discussion, so I'm hoping to get
some advice here. It's a question that as a technology consultant I'm
asked a lot, and I don't have the greatest answer...
I have a
Hi Deanna,
There is some basic advice for people wishing to edit (or complain about)
their ownbiographies here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notable_person_survival_kit
Otherwise, drop me or some of the established women editors on this list
a private note identifying the article,
Fred,
I agree with you.
Especially with handkraft information, there won't be 'references'.
You can't reference what your grandmother or great-grandmother taught
you.
Same is true with fairytales or folklore.
I'd like to post some of the Irish tales my grandmother taught me.
I haven't
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 13:35, Sarah Stierch sa...@sarahstierch.com
wrote:
Wow, the talk page is insane, and is one reason why I gave up in the
beginning.
I might take a stab on my own userspace to re-write this article. I'm
somewhat addicted fixing crappy BLP's. Perhaps I'll send it your
However, I also do worry about double standards. For example, earlier
somewhere someone suggested we visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ochre
where a barebreasted woman was used to illustrate the use of it as a
body paint in Africa. I made the point that I really would like to know
if men
I saw an incident recently on WP that's fairly common, but it's not
clear to me what we should do about it, if anything.
A woman editor did something that a few male editors didn't like, and
she was taken to task for it. In the course of the discussion, the
Wikipedia biography of a woman was
I don't edit Wikipedia because I've never taken the time to learn the
system
and I'm afraid I'll screw up. I assume it would feel like making a big
mistake in a newspaper and having the whole neighborhood scoff, and I
think
that becomes a part of my Wikipedia profile forever and ever. I'd
On 3/15/11 9:34 AM, Nicole Willson wrote:
Lastly, I had a question about Fred's statement about rules. If
following rules isn't that important in the beginning, how come I have
only gotten feedback once about what I've done wrong with date
formatting and never gotten a message about what I've
http://en.korea.com/blog/blogs/wikipedia-project-groundbreaking-feminist-author-and-painter-na-hye-sok-gets-a-cleanup/
On Signpost:
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-03-07/In_the_news
http://lola-pr.blogspot.com/2011/03/why-women-wikis-do-mix.html
Fred
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Is it appropriate for the Foundation to refer to women as chicks and
use the title fellow for staff positions? I'm not adamantly opposed
to either, but I am convinced we can do much better.
On the issue of noticeboards, does anyone know of any actual reasons
that any noticeboard has not
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Marc Riddell
michaeldavi...@comcast.netwrote:
What's wrong with drama, Steven? If the issue is creating a dramatic
situation for people, how would you have them express it, neutrally?
Since
passion is the temperature of emotion, shouldn't we get a measure
Perhaps there are already adequate guidelines as well as resources
regarding
on line conflict and resolution, but one resource might be the Public
Conversations Project in Cambridge which has all sorts of resources for
better communications - they managed a six month online conversation with
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