Re: [Gendergap] Craigslist founder donates $500K to curb Wikipedia trolls

Hi Trevor, Thanks for writing directly on the GenderGap list. When I posted to this list expressing a serious concern that the grant was limited to delivering tools with the target outcome of blocking more users, the response from WMF Trustee Christophe Henner on 9 February was "Fae I'm sorry

Re: [Gendergap] Craigslist founder donates $500K to curb Wikipedia trolls - Email filters?

Hello all, What's everyone's thoughts of filtering email to a repository if the email contains certain words? This could be using tools currently being honed with the Detox project: https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Detox/Resources This way, they could be viewed or not viewed by the

Re: [Gendergap] Craigslist founder donates $500K to curb Wikipedia trolls - Email filters?

Oh, I do certainly think this should be a user's choice and one they could turn on or off. What do you all think about the whole thought? I have been also reflecting on what others wrote about getting at the root of the issue instead of addressing symptoms only. The trouble with making

Re: [Gendergap] Craigslist founder donates $500K to curb Wikipedia trolls - Email filters?

Anne, I do think you misinterpreted what I was suggesting and perhaps the project. The artificial intelligence tool is currently being trained using volunteers to rank messages, but once launched it would operate and only need humans for maintenance, I imagine. -- Jackie Koerner > On Feb 12,

Re: [Gendergap] Craigslist founder donates $500K to curb Wikipedia trolls - Email filters?

Having had a thousand nasty and threatening messages from someone who used about 40 different emails, I still wouldn't like moderation. Is there a way to retroactively check emails? I guess the headers are it, and I always sent those (they were all yahoo mail). On 2/12/2017 2:25 PM, Risker

Re: [Gendergap] Craigslist founder donates $500K to curb Wikipedia trolls

Good point... On 2/9/2017 1:01 PM, JJ Marr wrote: It's not our moral role as Wikipedians and it's not the role of the Wikimedia foundation to take a deeply investigative role of harassment. We can block harassers when proof is brought to us, but finding them is difficult and is a task that

Re: [Gendergap] Craigslist founder donates $500K to curb Wikipedia trolls - Email filters?

On 02/12/2017 03:38 PM, Risker wrote: On 12 February 2017 at 17:22, Jonathan Cardy > wrote: Clearly not everyone would opt into it if there was an option to do so. Do you object to the idea of developing an option to

Re: [Gendergap] Craigslist founder donates $500K to curb Wikipedia trolls - Email filters?

I agree with Risker here. Pine On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Risker wrote: > > > On 12 February 2017 at 17:22, Jonathan Cardy > wrote: > >> Thanks Risker, >> >> Clearly not everyone would opt into it if there was an option to do so. >> Do

Re: [Gendergap] Craigslist founder donates $500K to curb Wikipedia trolls - Email filters?

On 12 February 2017 at 17:22, Jonathan Cardy wrote: > Thanks Risker, > > Clearly not everyone would opt into it if there was an option to do so. Do > you object to the idea of developing an option to opt in to email filtering? > > Regards > >

Re: [Gendergap] Craigslist founder donates $500K to curb Wikipedia trolls - Email filters?

Thanks Risker, Clearly not everyone would opt into it if there was an option to do so. Do you object to the idea of developing an option to opt in to email filtering? Regards Jonathan/WereSpielChequers > On 12 Feb 2017, at 19:25, Risker wrote: > > I am extremely,

Re: [Gendergap] Craigslist founder donates $500K to curb Wikipedia trolls - Email filters?

I am extremely, extremely uncomfortable with email moderation. I cannot emphasize this enough. Frankly, I'd rather the NSA be reading my mail than my fellow Wikimedians - they have no actual interest in anything that I'm writing. If moderation became standard, I'd shut off "email this user". It

Re: [Gendergap] Craigslist founder donates $500K to curb Wikipedia trolls - Email filters?

Thanks Ryan and Chris, I've endorsed the Bethnaught proposal which covers all of this idea except the email filter bits. I think the privacy issues of a moderated email stream can be resolved by OTRS style checking of the moderators. As for the staffing issues I'm optimistic that there are

Re: [Gendergap] Craigslist founder donates $500K to curb Wikipedia trolls - Email filters?

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 4:44 PM, WereSpielChequers < werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote: > Christophe, Carol and Fae's notes have set me thinking as to what we could > do with these funds, > > One of the areas that I understand has been a problem is email harassment, > particularly of women and I

Re: [Gendergap] Craigslist founder donates $500K to curb Wikipedia trolls - Email filters?

Some of these ideas were advanced in the last Inspire Campaign on addressing harassment by User:BethNaught: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Allow_users_to_restrict_who_can_send_them_email If folks want to work on developing this idea for out more concretely, they can use this

Re: [Gendergap] Craigslist founder donates $500K to curb Wikipedia trolls - Email filters?

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 3:44 PM, WereSpielChequers < werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote: > ... > > The first would be to allow editors to set their email to only receive > from confirmed or even extended confirmed accounts. This would be invisible > to new editors, they'd just not see the *email

Re: [Gendergap] Craigslist founder donates $500K to curb Wikipedia trolls - Email filters?

Christophe, Carol and Fae's notes have set me thinking as to what we could do with these funds, One of the areas that I understand has been a problem is email harassment, particularly of women and I believe particularly from throwaway accounts. I was wondering what people on this list would

Re: [Gendergap] Craigslist founder donates $500K to curb Wikipedia trolls

Carol, sorry to see your email took two days to get here. These sorts of list delays can be a bit confusing when reading through a thread. (Hint to list admin.) I would be against setting up Wikimedia secret 'black ops' teams. It's actually been done before, and it's not good for the people

Re: [Gendergap] Craigslist founder donates $500K to curb Wikipedia trolls

Thanks for the reply Christophe, I appreciate you posting to this list and being interested in following community views. Two points on this: * Can you tell us how much of the $500k will be spent developing software tools (which have been stated as having the objective of blocking more accounts)

Re: [Gendergap] Craigslist founder donates $500K to curb Wikipedia trolls

The assumption here is that harassing users are the same as blocked users, to which I say a great big "citation needed". As I recall, one of the big reasons Kevin gave for moving discussion of gender to this mailing list is that list moderators are able to keep out harassment, which they were

[Gendergap] Craigslist founder donates $500K to curb Wikipedia trolls

http://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/craigslist-founder-donates-500k-to-curb-wikipedia-trolls-1.3259781 Wow! When I think of the 2 plus hrs a week x 385 odd weeks of hours I spent dealing with guys who just didn't like the idea that a "female" dared to edit - or worse, change their edit - I still