Re: [Gendergap] Linux's culture problem

2015-10-10 Thread Pine W
Update: remote participation appears to be unlikely at this point. We would need a room like a WMF video conference room or the great room used for the monthly metrics meetings. Pine On Oct 8, 2015 7:41 PM, "Pine W" wrote: > Maybe! Those of us who are planning to help with

Re: [Gendergap] Linux's culture problem

2015-10-08 Thread rupert THURNER
On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 1:33 AM, Moriel Schottlender wrote: > On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 3:21 PM, WereSpielChequers > wrote: >> I'm not a member of the Lynux community, though I'm a very grateful user >> of their software. But I don't read that blogpost

Re: [Gendergap] Linux's culture problem

2015-10-08 Thread Moriel Schottlender
> > moriel, i do not agree to the abstraction you introduce here. a > community consists of persons afaik. it is a person which feels, not a > community. if there is a rule for the community its purpose is to > apply to a person part of the community. sarah sharp tried to make a > rule "do not

Re: [Gendergap] Linux's culture problem

2015-10-08 Thread Pine W
Maybe! Those of us who are planning to help with recording sessions cam discuss that with the organizing team once we are all in the same building. Pine On Oct 8, 2015 1:11 PM, "Moriel Schottlender" wrote: > Is there going to be a way to join remotely? I'd love to do that if >

Re: [Gendergap] Linux's culture problem

2015-10-08 Thread Moriel Schottlender
Is there going to be a way to join remotely? I'd love to do that if possible. On Oct 8, 2015 12:39 PM, "Pine W" wrote: > FWIW, some of us attending WCONUSA are hoping to have an unconference > session about incentivizing desirable user behaviors on ENWP, and I imagine > that

Re: [Gendergap] Linux's culture problem

2015-10-08 Thread Ryan Kaldari
On the topic of social contracts and communities, I'd like to invite anyone who's interested to take a look at the draft version of the Code of Conduct for Wikimedia Technical Spaces - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft. Any feedback is welcome on the talk

Re: [Gendergap] Linux's culture problem

2015-10-08 Thread Pine W
FWIW, some of us attending WCONUSA are hoping to have an unconference session about incentivizing desirable user behaviors on ENWP, and I imagine that some portions of that discussion will be extensible to other habitats in the Wikimedia ecosystem. If anyone in this conversation online would like

Re: [Gendergap] Linux's culture problem

2015-10-07 Thread Daniel and Elizabeth Case
>True, people are different. Some people I would like to work with, and some >people I wouldn't (like Linus Torvalds). His argument that >social norms are >irreverent to creating software (or should be) rings pretty hollow, in my >opinion. Perhaps

Re: [Gendergap] Linux's culture problem

2015-10-07 Thread Moriel Schottlender
On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 12:44 PM, rupert THURNER wrote: > to let wikipedia NPOV also have a word, here what linus torvalds > thought about it two years ago: >http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel=137392506516022=2 > in a summary, torvalds argues that sarah sharp should

Re: [Gendergap] Linux's culture problem

2015-10-07 Thread WereSpielChequers
I'm not a member of the Lynux community, though I'm a very grateful user of their software. But I don't read that blogpost as saying that "She didn't try to change Linus Torvalds. She left". I read her words, and especially* "I’m posting this because I feel sad every time someone thanks me for

Re: [Gendergap] Linux's culture problem

2015-10-07 Thread Moriel Schottlender
On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 3:21 PM, WereSpielChequers < werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm not a member of the Lynux community, though I'm a very grateful user > of their software. But I don't read that blogpost as saying that "She > didn't try to change Linus Torvalds. She left". > > I read

Re: [Gendergap] Linux's culture problem

2015-10-07 Thread Ryan Kaldari
True, people are different. Some people I would like to work with, and some people I wouldn't (like Linus Torvalds). His argument that social norms are irreverent to creating software (or should be) rings pretty hollow, in my opinion. Collaborating on software (or encyclopedias) is a social

Re: [Gendergap] Linux's culture problem

2015-10-07 Thread Daniel and Elizabeth Case
"Abusing people they have power over" isn't a behavior that's linked in any way to being on the autism spectrum, and I've not seen any mention that Linus self-identifies as being on the spectrum, so let's please refrain from Diagnosing People Via The Internet :) Oh, I wouldn't say he is;

Re: [Gendergap] Linux's culture problem

2015-10-07 Thread Leigh Honeywell
On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 10:52 PM, Daniel and Elizabeth Case wrote: > >Collaborating on software (or > encyclopedias) is a social process, and basic civility goes a long way > towards lubricating social processes. >I also don't buy Linus's argument that > being

Re: [Gendergap] Linux's culture problem

2015-10-07 Thread rupert THURNER
to let wikipedia NPOV also have a word, here what linus torvalds thought about it two years ago: http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel=137392506516022=2 in a summary, torvalds argues that sarah sharp should accept that people are different and act different, she should not try to change linus

Re: [Gendergap] Linux's culture problem

2015-10-07 Thread Leigh Honeywell
Sarah did actually have some great suggestions on how to do things better: http://sarah.thesharps.us/2015/10/06/what-makes-a-good-community/ -Leigh On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Pine W wrote: > I wish that we had a proven solution for that kind of issue in online >

Re: [Gendergap] Linux's culture problem

2015-10-07 Thread Pine W
I wish that we had a proven solution for that kind of issue in online communities in general. It's quite disappointing. Thanks for forwarding that post. Pine On Oct 7, 2015 6:44 AM, "Jason Radford" wrote: > > > I