Re: Help Documents not firing on El Capitan (was Re: Wiki Landing Page)

[John Ralls]

> On Jun 14, 2017, at 9:00 AM, Adrien Monteleone  
> wrote:
> 
> Tested everything. Also tested with default browser as Safari, 
> Chromium-canary, Opera, Vivaldi, and Firefox Developer Edition.
> 
> Nothing happens when I click anything in the help menu or any context help 
> buttons.
> 
> I do see that there are links in the GnuCash directory pointing to Help & the 
> Guide.
> 
> Personally, it’s not a big deal for me because I know where to find those 
> docs already online, but those menu entries and buttons should work.
> 
> Should I expect to find something in the logs when those are fired? or if 
> they fail?
> 

I completely agree that it should work and I think it strange that it does for 
me and not for you. I wonder if there’s some obscure defaults setting that 
either blocks or allows it.

There won’t be anything in the logs, and since it’s just pushing the URI off to 
the default browser I’m not sure that GnuCash will even know whether it 
succeeds or fails. Something might show up in Console but I wouldn’t bet on it.

Regards,
John Ralls

>> On May 28, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Adrien Monteleone  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On May 27, 2017, at 11:52 PM, John Ralls  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 27, 2017, at 9:49 PM, John Ralls  wrote:
 
 
> On May 27, 2017, at 9:25 PM, Adrien Monteleone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, I’ll have to try installing again. Maybe something is amiss with 
> the bundle I downloaded. I’m still getting no response from those menu 
> entries. And I don’t see any help buttons in any window anywhere. Not 
> sure where those ‘Context help buttons’ are supposed to be.
 
 Seems pretty unlikely that a download error could lose the documentation 
 and still have a valid signature. More likely your default browser is 
 rejecting the page load signal for some reason. Eh, what locale do you 
 use? It occurs to me that I might have messed up so that it works only
>> 
>> I didn’t think a corrupt download would cause that either, but wasn’t sure 
>> what might be the issue.
>>> 
>>> Oops, got distracted and hit send before I was finished. I might have 
>>> messed up so that it works only if your locale matches one of the existing 
>>> translations, English, German, Italian, and Japanese. I see that I forgot 
>>> to add the new Portuguese docs to the bundle.
>> 
>> My locale is English-US. My default browser is Firefox. It normally runs in 
>> private mode. Perhaps that has something to do with it? I’ll test with 
>> private mode off and I’ll also test with other browsers as the default and 
>> see what happens. I’ll also test FF with no extensions. One of them might be 
>> interfering. (I suspect uBlock Origin as that is usually the culprit when 
>> something isn’t working right)
>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> John Ralls
>>> 
>> 
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Help Documents not firing on El Capitan (was Re: Wiki Landing Page)

[Adrien Monteleone]

Tested everything. Also tested with default browser as Safari, Chromium-canary, 
Opera, Vivaldi, and Firefox Developer Edition.

Nothing happens when I click anything in the help menu or any context help 
buttons.

I do see that there are links in the GnuCash directory pointing to Help & the 
Guide.

Personally, it’s not a big deal for me because I know where to find those docs 
already online, but those menu entries and buttons should work.

Should I expect to find something in the logs when those are fired? or if they 
fail?

-Adrien


> On May 28, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Adrien Monteleone  
> wrote:
> 
>> On May 27, 2017, at 11:52 PM, John Ralls  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 27, 2017, at 9:49 PM, John Ralls  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 27, 2017, at 9:25 PM, Adrien Monteleone 
  wrote:
 
 Thanks, I’ll have to try installing again. Maybe something is amiss with 
 the bundle I downloaded. I’m still getting no response from those menu 
 entries. And I don’t see any help buttons in any window anywhere. Not sure 
 where those ‘Context help buttons’ are supposed to be.
>>> 
>>> Seems pretty unlikely that a download error could lose the documentation 
>>> and still have a valid signature. More likely your default browser is 
>>> rejecting the page load signal for some reason. Eh, what locale do you use? 
>>> It occurs to me that I might have messed up so that it works only
> 
> I didn’t think a corrupt download would cause that either, but wasn’t sure 
> what might be the issue.
>> 
>> Oops, got distracted and hit send before I was finished. I might have messed 
>> up so that it works only if your locale matches one of the existing 
>> translations, English, German, Italian, and Japanese. I see that I forgot to 
>> add the new Portuguese docs to the bundle.
> 
> My locale is English-US. My default browser is Firefox. It normally runs in 
> private mode. Perhaps that has something to do with it? I’ll test with 
> private mode off and I’ll also test with other browsers as the default and 
> see what happens. I’ll also test FF with no extensions. One of them might be 
> interfering. (I suspect uBlock Origin as that is usually the culprit when 
> something isn’t working right)
> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
>> 
> 

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Re: Time Frame on Wiki Edits

[Geert Janssens]

On dinsdag 13 juni 2017 18:17:08 CEST David T. via gnucash-devel wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Two weeks ago, after a flurry of discussion in this list, I and Don
> (doncram) worked to put together a modified wiki landing page, which was
> placed as a sandbox page at https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GnuCash/sandbox
> .
> 
> Since that time, there has been no further activity on any front, and
> although two weeks is not a very long time to let this season (as it were),
> I do wonder whether the Developer team has any sense of what amount of time
> constitutes “the right” amount of time for such a proposal to sit before
> the changes are sent live. I’d like to get the page pushed out before it
> gets lost in the mists of time…
> 
> David
> 
> @doncram: once it’s time to move this along, how exactly does one convert
> the sandbox to its real counterpart?

David et al,

Thanks a lot for working on this!

I have read through the page and have no remarks. I find it comfortable to 
read and well structured, so good to go live IMO.

As for replacing the original home page eventually, I suppose it's a matter of 
deleting the old one and moving the new one in place. These are wikimedia 
operations I presume reserved to the wiki admins. Unless @doncram has another 
proposal ?

Regards,

Geert
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Re: Time Frame on Wiki Edits

[Adrien Monteleone]

Sure, I’ll need to sign up for an account first. I’m heading out of town till 
Thursday and will get to it when I get back.

-Adrien

> On Jun 14, 2017, at 9:01 AM, David T.  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the feedback. I’ve modified the page and incorporated most of your 
> changes. If there are specific typos or grammatical errors, could you either 
> fix them or point them out? My eyes aren’t what they used to be!
> 
> David
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 12:02 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I see a few typos and grammatical errors, so I wouldn’t say it’s ready for 
>> publication yet.
>> 
>> As for organization, perhaps change [Scripting and Programming] to 
>> [“Advanced” Usage] or [“Advanced” Usage - Scripting & Programming]
>> 
>> I’d expect to find the info on Logging and Stack Trace to be either under 
>> Help or Filing Bugs. You could then probably eliminate the odd sounding 
>> ‘Error Seaching’ (sic) heading.
>> 
>> Also the way [Getting Involved in the Project] reads, the rest of the 
>> material that follows should be nested under it, which might be odd. Perhaps 
>> just keep the sentence but remove that heading entirely. It doesn’t seem 
>> necessary. Or since all of those topics including developing code are 
>> "getting involved” replace the main heading—[Developing for GnuCash] with 
>> [Getting Involved in the Project] or something similar like [Contributing to 
>> GnuCash]. The other headings and text can remain as is.
>> 
>> Overall though, this is laid out much better than the current version.
>> 
>> -Adrien
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 13, 2017, at 11:17 AM, David T. via gnucash-devel 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Two weeks ago, after a flurry of discussion in this list, I and Don 
>>> (doncram) worked to put together a modified wiki landing page, which was 
>>> placed as a sandbox page at https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GnuCash/sandbox 
>>> .
>>> 
>>> Since that time, there has been no further activity on any front, and 
>>> although two weeks is not a very long time to let this season (as it were), 
>>> I do wonder whether the Developer team has any sense of what amount of time 
>>> constitutes “the right” amount of time for such a proposal to sit before 
>>> the changes are sent live. I’d like to get the page pushed out before it 
>>> gets lost in the mists of time…
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 
>>> @doncram: once it’s time to move this along, how exactly does one convert 
>>> the sandbox to its real counterpart?
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Re: Time Frame on Wiki Edits

[David T. via gnucash-devel]

Thanks for the feedback. I’ve modified the page and incorporated most of your 
changes. If there are specific typos or grammatical errors, could you either 
fix them or point them out? My eyes aren’t what they used to be!

David

> On Jun 14, 2017, at 12:02 AM, Adrien Monteleone  
> wrote:
> 
> I see a few typos and grammatical errors, so I wouldn’t say it’s ready for 
> publication yet.
> 
> As for organization, perhaps change [Scripting and Programming] to 
> [“Advanced” Usage] or [“Advanced” Usage - Scripting & Programming]
> 
> I’d expect to find the info on Logging and Stack Trace to be either under 
> Help or Filing Bugs. You could then probably eliminate the odd sounding 
> ‘Error Seaching’ (sic) heading.
> 
> Also the way [Getting Involved in the Project] reads, the rest of the 
> material that follows should be nested under it, which might be odd. Perhaps 
> just keep the sentence but remove that heading entirely. It doesn’t seem 
> necessary. Or since all of those topics including developing code are 
> "getting involved” replace the main heading—[Developing for GnuCash] with 
> [Getting Involved in the Project] or something similar like [Contributing to 
> GnuCash]. The other headings and text can remain as is.
> 
> Overall though, this is laid out much better than the current version.
> 
> -Adrien
> 
> 
>> On Jun 13, 2017, at 11:17 AM, David T. via gnucash-devel 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Two weeks ago, after a flurry of discussion in this list, I and Don 
>> (doncram) worked to put together a modified wiki landing page, which was 
>> placed as a sandbox page at https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GnuCash/sandbox 
>> .
>> 
>> Since that time, there has been no further activity on any front, and 
>> although two weeks is not a very long time to let this season (as it were), 
>> I do wonder whether the Developer team has any sense of what amount of time 
>> constitutes “the right” amount of time for such a proposal to sit before the 
>> changes are sent live. I’d like to get the page pushed out before it gets 
>> lost in the mists of time…
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> @doncram: once it’s time to move this along, how exactly does one convert 
>> the sandbox to its real counterpart?
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