[GNC-dev] Documentation Build Oddity

2018-09-13 Thread David T. via gnucash-devel
Hello, In trying to deal with compiling the documentation, I have been trying to use the newer “make” methods for building the html docs. I am wondering why these commands create the output in a new directory within the language trees—respectively, “gnucash-guide” and "gnucash-help”. I don’t

[GNC-dev] The Next Hangup

2018-09-13 Thread David T. via gnucash-devel
OK, so I thought it would be nice to look at the changes I am implementing in the documentation in PDF format, since I am rather old school, and like to see the changes in a print format. I went to the wiki, and followed the new directions there to try to compile pdf documentation. First, I

Re: [GNC-dev] Git Questions With Documentation

2018-09-13 Thread David T. via gnucash-devel
The typo came about because threw the changes back together quickly before dinner I adopted option 1, and it seems to have worked. Not sure how this is any better. David > On Sep 13, 2018, at 8:05 PM, Frank H. Ellenberger > wrote: > > Am 14.09.18 um 00:38 schrieb David T.: >> Updated as

[GNC-dev] Git Questions With Documentation

2018-09-13 Thread Frank H. Ellenberger
Am 14.09.18 um 00:38 schrieb David T.: > Updated as requested. My commit message includes the full output of "xmllint > --valid --noout gnucash-guide.xml” > > BTW, this sort of experience is yet another example of why I find this > overall process to be inordinately painful. Some docbook guru

Re: [GNC-dev] Git Questions With Documentation

2018-09-13 Thread David T. via gnucash-devel
Updated as requested. My commit message includes the full output of "xmllint --valid --noout gnucash-guide.xml” BTW, this sort of experience is yet another example of why I find this overall process to be inordinately painful. Some docbook guru will probably know immediately why this fails,

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-13 Thread Geert Janssens
Op donderdag 13 september 2018 19:36:27 CEST schreef John Ralls: > > On Sep 13, 2018, at 8:52 AM, John Ralls wrote: > >> On Sep 13, 2018, at 8:41 AM, David T. via gnucash-devel > >> wrote: > >> > >> Odd. How would GnuCash access that on a different user login? > >> > >> Just for completeness,

Re: [GNC-dev] Git Questions With Documentation

2018-09-13 Thread Geert Janssens
Op donderdag 13 september 2018 14:32:12 CEST schreef D via gnucash-devel: > Frank, > > It's not in my repo because I couldn't get it to compile. To get it to > compile, I had to incorporate the content of each file into ch_basics.xml. > > AFAICT, the new files, ch_importing.xml and

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-13 Thread John Ralls
> On Sep 13, 2018, at 8:52 AM, John Ralls wrote: > > > >> On Sep 13, 2018, at 8:41 AM, David T. via gnucash-devel >> wrote: >> >> Odd. How would GnuCash access that on a different user login? >> >> Just for completeness, I checked in /Library/Preferences as well, but did >> not find

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-13 Thread David T. via gnucash-devel
/Library *is* meant as a system-wide (OS-level) storage location; Mac software seem to like sprinkling these settings in the various locations, regardless of rights. Finder is one of those major oddities, I believe; searches there are often incomplete. > On Sep 13, 2018, at 12:02 PM, Adrien

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-13 Thread David T. via gnucash-devel
--nofile worked. > On Sep 13, 2018, at 11:52 AM, John Ralls wrote: > > > >> On Sep 13, 2018, at 8:41 AM, David T. via gnucash-devel >> wrote: >> >> Odd. How would GnuCash access that on a different user login? >> >> Just for completeness, I checked in /Library/Preferences as well, but did

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-13 Thread Adrien Monteleone
I would think the file would be generated for each user on first run, but John will have to chime in for the definitive answer. The main /Library/Preferences I think is ’supposed’ to be for the OS so I wouldn’t expect to see it there. Though I see on mine I also have an entry for my Brother

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-13 Thread John Ralls
> On Sep 13, 2018, at 8:41 AM, David T. via gnucash-devel > wrote: > > Odd. How would GnuCash access that on a different user login? > > Just for completeness, I checked in /Library/Preferences as well, but did not > find org.gnucash.Gnucash.plist there. > It shouldn’t. Did you try

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-13 Thread David T. via gnucash-devel
Odd. How would GnuCash access that on a different user login? Just for completeness, I checked in /Library/Preferences as well, but did not find org.gnucash.Gnucash.plist there. David > On Sep 13, 2018, at 11:23 AM, Adrien Monteleone > wrote: > >

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-13 Thread Adrien Monteleone
/Users/you/Library/Preferences/org.gnucash.Gnucash.plist Regards, Adrien > On Sep 13, 2018, at 10:17 AM, David T. wrote: > > John, > > Thanks for the detailed information; out of curiosity, where on a typical Mac > filesystem will this setting be stored? > > David > >> On Sep 13, 2018, at

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-13 Thread David T. via gnucash-devel
John, Thanks for the detailed information; out of curiosity, where on a typical Mac filesystem will this setting be stored? David > On Sep 13, 2018, at 10:36 AM, John Ralls wrote: > > Adrien, > > The new user dialog opens if there’s no file to open and a preference hasn’t > been set;

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-13 Thread Adrien Monteleone
Interesting. And good to know there is such guidance for new users on first run. I got both mac and linux to fire the dialog with the --nofile option. So a bug in gnc_get_file_to_load()? Any trace or something else you need to see what it’s returning? Regards, Adrien > On Sep 13, 2018, at

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-13 Thread John Ralls
Adrien, The new user dialog opens if there’s no file to open and a preference hasn’t been set; running the dialog sets the preference. It offers to run the NAHSA, the QIF import assistant, or to run a new user tutorial (which actually just opens the T at the table of contents). To see it on

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-13 Thread Adrien Monteleone
Just tested in a Xubuntu 18.04 vm. I got the tip of the day overlaid on the splash screen. I closed the tip dialog, the splash screen disappeared and the main GnuCash window appeared. It’s blank save for the menu and two buttons, one to save the current file and one to close the currently

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-13 Thread Alex Aycinena
> > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: D > To: Adrien Monteleone , gnucash-devel < > gnucash-devel@gnucash.org> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 08:41:33 -0400 > Subject: Re: Hello, > > Having raised yet another ruckus on the lists regarding documentation, I > will back off

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-13 Thread John Ralls
> On Sep 12, 2018, at 11:25 PM, Geert Janssens > wrote: > > Op donderdag 13 september 2018 01:03:49 CEST schreef John Ralls: >>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 3:00 PM, David T. via gnucash-devel >>> wrote: >> That said, I think the only immutable parameter in setting up a new book is >> the root

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-13 Thread Adrien Monteleone
There’s a “Welcome to GnuCash!” screen? I don’t think I’ve ever seen it. I’m going to test in a vm and see what happens. Regards, Adrien > On Sep 13, 2018, at 8:33 AM, David T. wrote: > > Adrien, > > I just tried using a new login on my Mac to run a newly-downloaded copy of > GnuCash, and I

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-13 Thread David T. via gnucash-devel
Adrien, I just tried using a new login on my Mac to run a newly-downloaded copy of GnuCash, and I also found myself staring at a blank screen after startup. Having just worked on the documentation for the “Welcome to GnuCash!” screen, I am curious to know *when* that screen actually runs?

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-13 Thread Adrien Monteleone
I was going to mention this in my reply to David Cousens but didn’t want to hijack the thread. The greatest source of confusion I’ve seen from new users personally is the blank screen you see on first run with no indication what to do next. (unless this has changed with 3.x, I haven’t started

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-13 Thread D via gnucash-devel
Hello, Having raised yet another ruckus on the lists regarding documentation, I will back off altogether, and work to write documentation on the assistant as it is, taking care to balance the needs of the different user groups. My only final comment is to note that it is unfortunate that this

Re: [GNC-dev] Git Questions With Documentation

2018-09-13 Thread D via gnucash-devel
Frank, It's not in my repo because I couldn't get it to compile. To get it to compile, I had to incorporate the content of each file into ch_basics.xml. AFAICT, the new files, ch_importing.xml and ch_configuring.xml, are in my repo, attached to my bug-796855 branch. So are ch_accts.xml and

Re: [GNC-dev] Git Questions With Documentation

2018-09-13 Thread D via gnucash-devel
David, On September 13, 2018, at 1:31 AM, David Cousens wrote: > >> I tried to retain ch_accts.xml and ch_txns.xml in gnucash-guide.xml >> and simply edit the three files so that >> they became parts of a single chapter, but this resulted in mysterious >> “Failure to process entity chapter2”

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-13 Thread Adrien Monteleone
David, I agree on all points. Regards, Adrien > On Sep 12, 2018, at 10:19 PM, David Cousens wrote: > > Adrien, > > While I agree with the concept David T is proposing to streamline the process > for new users and the thrust of your > comments about the new user experience, the new account

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-13 Thread Geert Janssens
Op woensdag 12 september 2018 20:18:13 CEST schreef Mechtilde: > I hope somtimes I can finish esp. the translation of the lasst chapters > but I'm not willing to do a new translation as a whole. that is waste of > time and motivation. > Mechtilde, I share your concern about duplicating work.

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-13 Thread Geert Janssens
Op donderdag 13 september 2018 01:03:49 CEST schreef John Ralls: > That said, I think the only immutable parameter in setting up a new book is > the root account currency, and that can be derived from the locale. How > about renaming the NAHSA the "Advanced New Book Assistant" with its own > menu

Re: [GNC-dev] Git Questions With Documentation

2018-09-13 Thread Frank H. Ellenberger
David, Am 13.09.2018 um 02:46 schrieb David T. via gnucash-devel: > I tried to retain ch_accts.xml and ch_txns.xml in gnucash-guide.xml > and simply edit the three files so that they became parts of a single > chapter, but this resulted in mysterious “Failure to process entity chapter2” >

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-13 Thread Geert Janssens
Op donderdag 13 september 2018 01:03:49 CEST schreef John Ralls: > > On Sep 12, 2018, at 3:00 PM, David T. via gnucash-devel > > wrote: > That said, I think the only immutable parameter in setting up a new book is > the root account currency, and that can be derived from the locale. No, it