Re: [GNC-dev] Documentation sources since 8 years moving from guide to help

[Stefan Mueller]

Will do.

BTW I 've read there they talking about PayPal import. Is there anything
going to happen?

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On 14 Apr 2018 07:09, "Frank H. Ellenberger" <frank.h.ellenber...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi Stefan,

Am 12.04.2018 um 07:52 schrieb Stefan Mueller:
> thanks for the information. I might find the time to adapt the removed
page
> as it was very helpful to me and should return to the documentation, but
> updated to new interface.
>
> 2018-04-11 19:06 GMT+02:00 Geert Janssens <geert.gnuc...@kobaltwit.be>:
>
>> Op woensdag 11 april 2018 16:09:57 CEST schreef Stefan Mueller:
>>> Hallo,
>>> I the course of my researches in regard to *Import Map Editor* I've
>> noticed
>>> that there are two branches of documentation, *stable
>>> <https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/>* and *git <
>> https://cvs.gnucash.org/docs>*
>>> and that there are some lonely help docs. on *git*: 2.7. Daten
>> importieren
>>> <https://cvs.gnucash.org/docs/de/gnucash-guide/basics-import1.html> what
>>> shall go into the official documentation.
>> What you are looking at are the html translation of our documentation.
It's
>> not the version managed documentation source though.
>>
>> That is written in docbook format and stored here:
>> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash-docs/
>>
>> The specific page is a relic of documentation that got removed from the
>> documentation sources in 2015 by Mechtilde in this commit:
>> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash-docs/commit/31d724b34ceaa98d7aa29
>>
>> The html page should not have been there anymore and is a heads up we
>> should
>> update our nightly documentation build to clean out obsolete files.
>>
>> However in this case it's nice you found it and it triggers you to
>> re-enable
>> it.
>>> In order to do so I would have to clone the documentation repository and
>>> reorder the html files and reset the links and commit it.
>> Not exactly. You'd have to translate the html pages back into docbook
>> format
>> and update them to reflect current stable. The importer (particularly the
>> csv
>> one) has changed since that documentation was written.
>>
>> It's probably easier though to search for the original docbook source in
>> git
>> history and start from there.

The english part was removed in
git-svn-id: svn+ssh://svn.gnucash.org/repo/gnucash-docs/trunk@19948 -
Related to bug#635357 Remove QIF assistant description and move New
Account Hierarchy setup description.

as part of https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=635357 - New "Save
As..." and "Open..." dialogs undocumented
It should hove gone from guide to "a new Help 3.2, before the current
one." [Comment 9]

But it never arrived ...

>> I have quickly searched the current documentation sources and it appears
>> there
>> is no information on importing either in the English documentation.
That's
>> likely why it got removed from DE at some point as the English version is
>> considered the primary documentation and the other languages are 'only'
>> translations. (Though that may not necessarily be the right approach)
>>
>>> Once I have finalized all that, I will notify the developer team of your
>>> changes, either by creating a pull request
>>> <https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Git#Pull_Requests> (pulls my clone into
>>> master), or by creating and uploading a patch
>>> <https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Preparing_A_Documentation_Patch>.
>> Indeed.
:

for the english part, you might already now send a notice to
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303164 - Documentation for
online banking Options
to reduce duplicate work.
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Re: [GNC-dev] GnuCash - documentation display disfunctional and sources

[Stefan Mueller]

thanks for the information. I might find the time to adapt the removed page
as it was very helpful to me and should return to the documentation, but
updated to new interface.

2018-04-11 19:06 GMT+02:00 Geert Janssens <geert.gnuc...@kobaltwit.be>:

> Op woensdag 11 april 2018 16:09:57 CEST schreef Stefan Mueller:
> > Hallo,
> > I the course of my researches in regard to *Import Map Editor* I've
> noticed
> > that there are two branches of documentation, *stable
> > <https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/>* and *git <
> https://cvs.gnucash.org/docs>*
> > and that there are some lonely help docs. on *git*: 2.7. Daten
> importieren
> > <https://cvs.gnucash.org/docs/de/gnucash-guide/basics-import1.html> what
> > shall go into the official documentation.
>
> What you are looking at are the html translation of our documentation. It's
> not the version managed documentation source though.
>
> That is written in docbook format and stored here:
> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash-docs/
>
> The specific page is a relic of documentation that got removed from the
> documentation sources in 2015 by Mechtilde in this commit:
> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash-docs/commit/31d724b34ceaa98d7aa29
>
> The html page should not have been there anymore and is a heads up we
> should
> update our nightly documentation build to clean out obsolete files.
>
> However in this case it's nice you found it and it triggers you to
> re-enable
> it.
> >
> > In order to do so I would have to clone the documentation repository and
> > reorder the html files and reset the links and commit it.
>
> Not exactly. You'd have to translate the html pages back into docbook
> format
> and update them to reflect current stable. The importer (particularly the
> csv
> one) has changed since that documentation was written.
>
> It's probably easier though to search for the original docbook source in
> git
> history and start from there.
>
> I have quickly searched the current documentation sources and it appears
> there
> is no information on importing either in the English documentation. That's
> likely why it got removed from DE at some point as the English version is
> considered the primary documentation and the other languages are 'only'
> translations. (Though that may not necessarily be the right approach)
>
> > Once I have finalized all that, I will notify the developer team of your
> > changes, either by creating a pull request
> > <https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Git#Pull_Requests> (pulls my clone into
> > master), or by creating and uploading a patch
> > <https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Preparing_A_Documentation_Patch>.
>
> Indeed.
>
> > That's it isn't it?
> > One step is still unclear, how or by whom are the files moved from *git*
> > <https://cvs.gnucash.org/docs> to *stable*
> > <https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/>.
> >
> Never. Both urls you specify are html renderings of the documentation
> sources,
> though they render different branches. These renderings are automatically
> generated from the true git sources (see link above).
>
> The source git repo has two relevant branches: maint and master.
> Whatever is committed to maint will appear in the rendering at https://
> www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/ at the first new release after it got committed.
> Whatever is committed to master will appear in the rendering at https://
> cvs.gnucash.org/docs (though we normally use it's other alias https://
> code.gnucash.org/docs)
>
> In addition *all* commits that go into the maint branch will at some point
> get
> merged into master, and will hence appear in the rendering of that branch
> as
> well. We don't merge the other way around so master can contain
> documentation
> for features that are not yet in a stable gnucash release (though currently
> that's uncommon).
>
> > In addition, I've noticed that the translated help is not pulled up when
> > changing the language on gnucash.org
> > <https://www.gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?doc=help>, although it is
> available:
> >
> > GnuCash Documentation EN
> > <https://www.gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?doc=help=de_DE> àgnucash
> help EN
> > <https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-help/>
> > GnuCash Documentation DE
> > <https://www.gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?doc=help=de_DE> àgnucash
> help EN
> > <https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-help/> although there is
> gnucash
> > help DE <https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/de/gnucash-help/>
> > GnuCash Documentation IT
> > <https://www.gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?doc=help=it_IT> àgnucash
> h

Re: [GNC-dev] import map editor

[Stefan Mueller]

thx, that helps a lot.

will raise a bug

it's always the last three rows in the CSV what don't contain transsaction,
so saving them would make sense. I'll put it in the bug



2018-04-11 16:38 GMT+02:00 Robert Fewell <14ubo...@gmail.com>:

> Stefen,
>
> Yes to your first question, you should always try to do the matching on
> that page, that's the way it learns for subsequent imports.
> Bayesian / Non Bayesian is dependant on the preference setting you have
> under 'online banking' and it uses those settings also.
> 'Online id' is used in OFX and QIF imports.
>
> The import editor does not show reconciliation, it just shows you what
> mappings you have and allows you to delete them.
>
> Re-Documentation, when someone gets round to writing some, all volunteers
> welcome.
>
> Columns should be saved and they do on my setup, if not for you raise a
> bug, https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Bugzilla
>
> I can understand why the trailing line number is not saved as you do not
> know how big your CSV is, the leading line to skip is when you have headers
> which I assume would always be the same.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On 11 April 2018 at 14:29, Stefan Mueller <stefan.mueller...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hallo Robert,
>> you mean to do the reconciliation in *Import Dialog *> *Match
>> Transactions*as shown here.
>> <https://cvs.gnucash.org/docs/de/gnucash-guide/figures/basics_import_general1.png>
>>
>> I've jsut tested it. Now, there are entries in the *Import Map Editor*
>> but only in the *Bayesian* list. What about *Non-Bayesian* and *Online
>> ID*, how are they get filled?
>> I added a transaction manually and reconciled it but nothing shows up
>> in  *Import Map Editor* but I reckon that is not covered by it, isn't it.
>>
>> In addition is there any posbility to influnce the *Bayesian matching *as
>> it can be done in the settings for online banking import
>> <https://cvs.gnucash.org/docs/de/gnucash-guide/basics-prefs1.html#basics-onlinebank2>.
>>
>>
>> Will be there any documentation soon?
>> During my research I find a very good but lonley piece of documentation
>> about the import process, 2.7. Daten importieren
>> <https://cvs.gnucash.org/docs/de/gnucash-guide/basics-import1.html>, on
>> what all my statements mainly base on. Will it find a way in the official
>> documentation?
>>
>> The is properly off-topic and has to go in a separated email but during
>> the import process I nocticed that in  *Import Dialog *> *Transaction *
>> *Information*
>>
>>1. Column selction
>>2. Trailing line to Skip number
>>
>> not saved, when saving settings.
>>
>> thx
>> stefan
>>
>>
>> 2018-04-11 11:57 GMT+02:00 Robert Fewell <14ubo...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> I have just imported a CSV file and it works for me with and without
>>> Bayesian matching the entries show up in the editor. The purpose is to
>>> allow you to see and delete current matches to accounts, what you see is
>>> dependant on whether you use Bayesian or not.
>>>
>>> With Bayesian, the description column entries are split up into tokens
>>> along with the transaction day which are then used to get the best match on
>>> further imports.
>>> With Non Bayesian, the description column entries are recorded against
>>> there respective accounts and then used to match further imports.
>>> This is where the learning aspect comes in, once you see the entries
>>> hopefully it will make sense.
>>>
>>> What I suspect is that you are not setting the accounts on the matcher
>>> page of the assistant. If you leave them as UNBALANCED they do not show up
>>> in the imap editor.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> On 10 April 2018 at 21:55, Stefan Müller <stefan.mueller...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hallo all,
>>>> as there isn't anyone in the user mailing list who can answer my
>>>> question may someone here can help me out.
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone explain the purpose of the "import map editor" shown in the
>>>> tools menu?
>>>> All what I can find related to mapping imports is this:
>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Bayes <https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki
>>>> /Bayes>
>>>> http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/Fixing-confused-bayesia
>>>> n-matching-data-td4685819.html <http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nab
>>>> ble.com/Fixing-confused-bayesian-matching-data-td4685819.html>
>>>> but there is nothing about the editor.
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone explain how to use it is still empty after several csv
>>>> imports.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you
>>>>
>>>> Stefan
>>>>
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Re: [GNC-dev] import map editor

[Stefan Mueller]

it is quite a old nightly as it was referenced in an email back in 2016
https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-de/2016-May/009692.html

what about the my finds in the *Import Dialog*, where shell I put them,
this mailing list or bug repport?


2018-04-11 16:10 GMT+02:00 Frank H. Ellenberger <
frank.h.ellenber...@gmail.com>:

> hi,
>
> Am 11.04.2018 um 15:29 schrieb Stefan Mueller:
> > Hallo Robert,
> > you mean to do the reconciliation in *Import Dialog *> *Match
> Transactions*as
> > shown here.
> > <https://cvs.gnucash.org/docs/de/gnucash-guide/figures/
> basics_import_general1.png>
> >
> > I've jsut tested it. Now, there are entries in the *Import Map Editor*
> but
> > only in the *Bayesian* list. What about *Non-Bayesian* and *Online ID*,
> how
> > are they get filled?
> > I added a transaction manually and reconciled it but nothing shows up
> > in  *Import
> > Map Editor* but I reckon that is not covered by it, isn't it.
> >
> > In addition is there any posbility to influnce the *Bayesian matching *as
> > it can be done in the settings for online banking import
> > <https://cvs.gnucash.org/docs/de/gnucash-guide/basics-
> prefs1.html#basics-onlinebank2>.
> >
> >
> > Will be there any documentation soon?
> > During my research I find a very good but lonley piece of documentation
> > about the import process, 2.7. Daten importieren
> > <https://cvs.gnucash.org/docs/de/gnucash-guide/basics-import1.html>, on
> > what all my statements mainly base on. Will it find a way in the official
> > documentation?
>
> Your link is the nightly build of the official documentation in german.
> Perhaps David remembers where it moved in the english version?
>
> > The is properly off-topic and has to go in a separated email but during
> the
> > import process I nocticed that in  *Import Dialog *> *Transaction *
> > *Information*
> >
> >1. Column selction
> >2. Trailing line to Skip number
> >
> > not saved, when saving settings.
> >
> > thx
> > stefan
>
> ~Frank
>
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[GNC-dev] GnuCash - documentation display disfunctional and sources

[Stefan Mueller]

Hallo,
I the course of my researches in regard to *Import Map Editor* I've noticed
that there are two branches of documentation, *stable
* and *git *
and that there are some lonely help docs. on *git*: 2.7. Daten importieren
 what
shall go into the official documentation.

In order to do so I would have to clone the documentation repository and
reorder the html files and reset the links and commit it.
Once I have finalized all that, I will notify the developer team of your
changes, either by creating a pull request
 (pulls my clone into
master), or by creating and uploading a patch
.
That's it isn't it?
One step is still unclear, how or by whom are the files moved from *git*
 to *stable*
.

In addition, I've noticed that the translated help is not pulled up when
changing the language on gnucash.org
, although it is available:

GnuCash Documentation EN
 àgnucash help EN

GnuCash Documentation DE
 àgnucash help EN
 although there is gnucash
help DE 
GnuCash Documentation IT
 àgnucash help EN
 although there is gnucash
help IT 

That is properly due to that the folder in .../docs
 are not named according the format of Locale
.


thx

stefan
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Re: [GNC-dev] import map editor

[Stefan Mueller]

Hallo Robert,
you mean to do the reconciliation in *Import Dialog *> *Match Transactions*as
shown here.


I've jsut tested it. Now, there are entries in the *Import Map Editor* but
only in the *Bayesian* list. What about *Non-Bayesian* and *Online ID*, how
are they get filled?
I added a transaction manually and reconciled it but nothing shows up
in  *Import
Map Editor* but I reckon that is not covered by it, isn't it.

In addition is there any posbility to influnce the *Bayesian matching *as
it can be done in the settings for online banking import
.


Will be there any documentation soon?
During my research I find a very good but lonley piece of documentation
about the import process, 2.7. Daten importieren
, on
what all my statements mainly base on. Will it find a way in the official
documentation?

The is properly off-topic and has to go in a separated email but during the
import process I nocticed that in  *Import Dialog *> *Transaction *
*Information*

   1. Column selction
   2. Trailing line to Skip number

not saved, when saving settings.

thx
stefan


2018-04-11 11:57 GMT+02:00 Robert Fewell <14ubo...@gmail.com>:

> I have just imported a CSV file and it works for me with and without
> Bayesian matching the entries show up in the editor. The purpose is to
> allow you to see and delete current matches to accounts, what you see is
> dependant on whether you use Bayesian or not.
>
> With Bayesian, the description column entries are split up into tokens
> along with the transaction day which are then used to get the best match on
> further imports.
> With Non Bayesian, the description column entries are recorded against
> there respective accounts and then used to match further imports.
> This is where the learning aspect comes in, once you see the entries
> hopefully it will make sense.
>
> What I suspect is that you are not setting the accounts on the matcher
> page of the assistant. If you leave them as UNBALANCED they do not show up
> in the imap editor.
>
> Bob
>
> On 10 April 2018 at 21:55, Stefan Müller 
> wrote:
>
>> Hallo all,
>> as there isn't anyone in the user mailing list who can answer my question
>> may someone here can help me out.
>>
>> Can anyone explain the purpose of the "import map editor" shown in the
>> tools menu?
>> All what I can find related to mapping imports is this:
>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Bayes 
>> http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/Fixing-confused-bayesia
>> n-matching-data-td4685819.html > ble.com/Fixing-confused-bayesian-matching-data-td4685819.html>
>> but there is nothing about the editor.
>>
>> Can anyone explain how to use it is still empty after several csv imports.
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Stefan
>>
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