Re: [homenet] Thoughts about routing - trends

2011-10-13 Thread Russ White
At various jobs I pulled 10base2 coax, then 10base5 coax, then twisted pair. [Well someone pulled it, but not me.] Anyone remember vampire taps in 10base2? What a reliability headache! Pulled from cable hanging in a plenum in a secure building... Because there was no way to get cable floor

Re: [homenet] Thoughts about routing - trends

2011-10-13 Thread Curtis Villamizar
Off list. In message 4e96d145.5090...@riw.us Russ White writes: At various jobs I pulled 10base2 coax, then 10base5 coax, then twisted pair. [Well someone pulled it, but not me.] Anyone remember vampire taps in 10base2? What a reliability headache! Pulled from cable hanging in

Re: [homenet] Thoughts about routing - trends

2011-10-12 Thread C Chauvenet
Hi Jim, I agree with you. Let me just add a few words on #2 : You are absolutely right that pulling cable is hard and expensive. That is the rationale of PLC : Using existing wires. PLC is already used reliabily for high speed networking, but you are correct that it is not as popular as

Re: [homenet] Thoughts about routing - trends

2011-10-12 Thread C Chauvenet
Le 12 oct. 2011 à 13:51, Russ White a écrit : You are absolutely right that pulling cable is hard and expensive. Pulling cable is indeed hard and expensive. In my experience, it is the right thing for some applications, such as TV and my home office. Personally, I have both wired and

Re: [homenet] Thoughts about routing - trends

2011-10-12 Thread Curtis Villamizar
In message 4e9494a9.4030...@freedesktop.org Jim Gettys writes: Having said this, I do note the following technological trends: 1) As soon as we get real plug and play routers that don't need manual configuration that work, we'll see a lot more routers in a home environment. Other radio

Re: [homenet] Thoughts about routing - trends

2011-10-12 Thread Ulrich Herberg
On 10/12/11 7:51 PM, Russ White wrote: [...] While I wouldn't want to rule OLSRv2 completely out, I think it should compete head to head with an extended OSPF and an extended IS-IS, or even other efforts afoot. I'd rather see requirements first, and a good solid evaluation of what's

Re: [homenet] Thoughts about routing - trends

2011-10-12 Thread Curtis Villamizar
In message 4e957f43.1060...@riw.us Russ White writes: You are absolutely right that pulling cable is hard and expensive. Pulling cable is indeed hard and expensive. In my experience, it is the right thing for some applications, such as TV and my home office. Personally, I have both

Re: [homenet] Thoughts about routing - trends

2011-10-12 Thread Jeff Tantsura
: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 19:29 To: Russ White Cc: homenet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homenet] Thoughts about routing - trends In message 4e957f43.1060...@riw.us Russ White writes: You are absolutely right that pulling cable is hard and expensive. Pulling cable is indeed hard and expensive

Re: [homenet] Thoughts about routing - trends

2011-10-11 Thread Jim Gettys
On 10/07/2011 03:48 AM, Fred Baker wrote: 4) The use of OLSR in mesh network scenarios Jim Gettys commented on the fact of OLSR use. The general sense of the room was that OLSRv2 is interesting but out of scope for this discussion as mesh networks are quite different from typical

Re: [homenet] Thoughts about routing - trends

2011-10-11 Thread Ulrich Herberg
Hi Jim, I fully agree with you. Declaring OLSRv2 etc. out of scope just because a home is not a mesh network seems simplistic to me. As you explained in your mail, many of the problems that mesh networks already solve successfully today, can be very similar in a home: dynamic topology, no skilled