Re: [homenet] Clarification on Routing Thoughts

2014-08-02 Thread joel jaeggli
On 8/1/14 4:32 AM, Henning Rogge wrote: I think Joël's reluctance about hopcount qualifying the gig-e/wifi choice may change if considering wifi-ac instead. I.e. hopcount may be good to qualify a choice between Gigabit Ethernet and Gigabit wifi. Measuring any kind of wifi connection just

Re: [homenet] Clarification on Routing Thoughts

2014-08-01 Thread joel jaeggli
On 7/31/14 9:03 PM, Michael Richardson wrote: Ted Lemon mel...@fugue.com wrote: It seems to me that you are grasping for a use case to justify a split where none is needed. Protocols like OSPF, IS-IS and Babel would all work in both environments. RIP won't. So this seems

Re: [homenet] Clarification on Routing Thoughts

2014-08-01 Thread Alexandru Petrescu
Le 01/08/2014 12:44, Ole Troan a écrit : It seems to me that you are grasping for a use case to justify a split where none is needed. Protocols like OSPF, IS-IS and Babel would all work in both environments. RIP won't. So this seems more like an argument not to use RIP than an argument to have

Re: [homenet] Clarification on Routing Thoughts

2014-08-01 Thread Henning Rogge
I think Joël's reluctance about hopcount qualifying the gig-e/wifi choice may change if considering wifi-ac instead. I.e. hopcount may be good to qualify a choice between Gigabit Ethernet and Gigabit wifi. Measuring any kind of wifi connection just with hopcount is not a good idea. Even

Re: [homenet] Clarification on Routing Thoughts

2014-08-01 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
On 8/1/14, 12:47 PM, Juliusz Chroboczek j...@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr wrote: Given the current RIPng standard timers, it could also be argued that RIPng, as specified, doesn't meet the convergence requirements. Minimising convergence time should be a goal in any routed environment.

Re: [homenet] Clarification on Routing Thoughts

2014-07-31 Thread Michael Richardson
Ted Lemon mel...@fugue.com wrote: It seems to me that you are grasping for a use case to justify a split where none is needed. Protocols like OSPF, IS-IS and Babel would all work in both environments. RIP won't. So this seems more like an argument not to use RIP than an

Re: [homenet] Clarification on Routing Thoughts

2014-07-26 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
On 7/25/14, 3:31 PM, Juliusz Chroboczek j...@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr wrote: RJ, If I understand you right, you're pushing for an approach where we don't say anything about the routing protocol, and wait for the market to converge on RIPng, thus ensuring interoperability. Please correct me

Re: [homenet] Clarification on Routing Thoughts

2014-07-26 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 27/07/2014 03:30, Brian Haberman wrote: ... The goal should be increasing the probability of interoperability between devices from different vendors. Exactly, which traditionally means a single mandatory-to-implement protocol, even if it's the Tossacoin protocol. Whether vendors take any

Re: [homenet] Clarification on Routing Thoughts

2014-07-26 Thread Michael Thomas
On 07/26/2014 04:42 PM, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: Tossacoin, i.e. random routing, is of course a valid routing algorithm in itself. Isn't that the original reason why we had a TTL/hop count? It would probably work quite well in a small homenet. I call it hot potato routing, and I define it as

Re: [homenet] Clarification on Routing Thoughts

2014-07-25 Thread Ted Lemon
It seems to me that you are grasping for a use case to justify a split where none is needed. Protocols like OSPF, IS-IS and Babel would all work in both environments. RIP won't. So this seems more like an argument not to use RIP than an argument to have two different homenet router

Re: [homenet] Clarification on Routing Thoughts

2014-07-25 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
RJ, If I understand you right, you're pushing for an approach where we don't say anything about the routing protocol, and wait for the market to converge on RIPng, thus ensuring interoperability. Please correct me if I've misunderstood you. (My personal opinion right now (subject to change) is

Re: [homenet] Clarification on Routing Thoughts

2014-07-25 Thread RJ Atkinson
On 25 Jul 2014, at 15:31 , Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: If I understand you right, you're pushing for an approach where Not correct. I'm not pushing for anything. Yours, Ran ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org

Re: [homenet] Clarification on Routing Thoughts

2014-07-25 Thread RJ Atkinson
On 25 Jul 2014, at 12:52 , Ted Lemon wrote: So this seems more like an argument ... Ted, To be clear, since you seem confused, my comments were not an argument for or against anything, just a set of observations. Cheers, Ran ___ homenet mailing

Re: [homenet] Clarification on Routing Thoughts

2014-07-25 Thread Ted Lemon
On Jul 25, 2014, at 6:09 PM, RJ Atkinson rja.li...@gmail.com wrote: To be clear, since you seem confused, my comments were not an argument for or against anything, just a set of observations. I don't mean that you intended to argue that way. It's just the conclusion I drew from the