[homenet] Routing protocol comparison document

2015-02-15 Thread Mark Townsley
Dear WG, In Hawaii, Margaret offered to pull together a document providing a summary of ISIS and Babel within the context of homenet. Working with Chris Hopps and Juliusz Chroboczek, Margaret just posted draft-mrw-homenet-rtg-comparison-01.txt. Many thanks to all 3 authors for this input, I'm

Re: [homenet] Where to find ISIS and babel users

2015-02-15 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Babel has an open mailing list, and has been made aware of Margaret's draft. If you want to jump in and ask any questions there, of course feel free:    babel-us...@lists.alioth.debian.org    http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/babel-users    

[homenet] Where to find ISIS and babel users

2015-02-15 Thread Mark Townsley
Just FYI: ISIS of course has a WG in the IETF, so most of you should know where to go to find ISIS specific discussion. Babel has an open mailing list, and has been made aware of Margaret's draft. If you want to jump in and ask any questions there, of course feel free:

Re: [homenet] Routing protocol comparison document

2015-02-15 Thread Steven Barth
Thanks for writing up the document. As a general comment: I think it should be added that there is a huge difference in building enterprise routers and home routers in terms of budgets for development / support and margins. This should somehow reflect in the complexity of the specifications

Re: [homenet] Routing protocol comparison document

2015-02-15 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Working with Chris Hopps and Juliusz Chroboczek, Margaret just posted draft-mrw-homenet-rtg-comparison-01.txt. This is on https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mrw-homenet-rtg-comparison As Mark mentioned, we didn't attempt to reach consensus with this document -- we tried to produce

Re: [homenet] Routing protocol comparison document

2015-02-15 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
wrt. Algorithm Comparison Loop-Avoiding Distance Vector [...] scales badly in extremely dense deployments, where a single node has thousands of direct neighbours Are thousands of direct neighbors relevant for the homenet usecase? It's not relevant to any reasonable use case. There is no

Re: [homenet] Routing protocol comparison document

2015-02-15 Thread Margaret Wasserman
On Feb 15, 2015, at 4:00 PM, Juliusz Chroboczek j...@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr wrote: More generally, I think -01 puts undue stress on scaling and convergence speed. Sections 3 and 4 can be summarised as any reasonable routing protocol scales sufficiently well and converges sufficiently fast

Re: [homenet] Routing protocol comparison document

2015-02-15 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
The sections in the document started from a list of routing features/properties that were discussed in the WG meeting. There was quite a bit of discussion of scaling. In particular, there was a lot of discussion of how these protocols will scale on Wi-Fi. Performance and scaling on WiFi is