Re: CPU utilization/forecasting

2011-04-16 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2011-04-15 23:49, Gerhard Adam pisze: - what do you mean by average. I disclose very big secret: CPU is always 100% busy or 0% busy (*). Always - mean in every tact (tick?). So the shorter period you take for CPU measurement the higher peaks you will get. If your periods are as short as

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Re: CPU utilization/forecasting

2011-04-16 Thread Ken Brick
The depending answer is 100% correct except when its wrong. :-) You cannot forecast without knowing the past and it is the that will tell you whether you need peak or average or more probably a mix. Hypothetically consider a CEC running at 100% busy. However simplistically this is a 80/20

Re: CPU utilization/forecasting

2011-04-16 Thread J R
- what do you mean by average. I disclose very big secret: CPU is always 100% busy or 0% busy (*). Always - mean in every tact (tick?). Depends on how many CPs you have. Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 23:37:06 +0200 From: r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl Subject: Re: CPU

Re: CPU utilization/forecasting

2011-04-16 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2011-04-16 10:58, J R pisze: - what do you mean by average. I disclose very big secret: CPU is always 100% busy or 0% busy (*). Always - mean in every tact (tick?). Depends on how many CPs you have. Read carefully. (*) will explain you multi-CPU and other simplifications I made. --

Re: CPU utilization/forecasting

2011-04-16 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2011-04-16 10:50, Ken Brick pisze: The depending answer is 100% correct except when its wrong. :-) You cannot forecast without knowing the past and it is the that will tell you whether you need peak or average or more probably a mix. Hypothetically consider a CEC running at 100% busy.

Re: CPU utilization/forecasting

2011-04-16 Thread Shane Ginnane
I'm more interested (and concerned about) performance then capacity planning. S ... WLM is basically designed to allow you get the box ticking along at (or very near) 100% without too much angst to anyone. I've found that if you happen to have white space, customers prefer to lower the cap

Re: TSSO help please

2011-04-16 Thread Jim Thomas
Neal, If you think it's pertinent, please check some of the old APAR's ... I seemed to remember some for the TSO OPER command. Jim Thomas -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Neal Eckhardt Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 10:45

Re: CPU utilization/forecasting

2011-04-16 Thread John McKown
On Sat, 2011-04-16 at 11:13 +0200, R.S. wrote: snip Last, but not least: CPU granularity. You cannot buy 5% CPU more, or 35%, or 41%. You can buy CP, not half of it. Situation is much better for smaller machines - mix of n-WAY + subcapacity levels gives you really good granularity. However

Re: RESMGR for terminating Address Space

2011-04-16 Thread Peter Relson
If it gets control in the Master Address Space Where does the Routine Have to get Loaded?? The documentation for RESMGR describes your choices -- you can have loaded the routine and provide the address -- you can have the system issue LINK to get to the routine -- you can provide a PC number

Re: CPU utilization/forecasting

2011-04-16 Thread Ron Hawkins
Mike, There's 30 years of Papers and discussions on how to do Capacity Planning for MVS. The answer is far more complex than the simplicity of your question. Averages or peaks? What about percentiles and omission of outliers? A quick Google shows there are courses (Guerilla Capacity Planning),

Re: CPU utilization/forecasting

2011-04-16 Thread Ed Finnell
AMEN! Dr. H Pat is still around over at Performance Associates. SHARE is another good place for real world experience. Some of Ray Wicks(IBM) old papers are great and Barry Merrill's(PhD) MXG stuff is continually updated. In a message dated 4/16/2011 1:00:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

Re: TSSO help please

2011-04-16 Thread W. Kevin Kelley
On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 03:28:27 -0500, Brian Westerman brian_wester...@syzygyinc.com wrote: There are a lot of issues that will pop up over the next few releases of z/OS with TSSO, mostly because of the changes to the system to support System REXX, and it's possible also that you have run into

Re: CPU utilization/forecasting

2011-04-16 Thread Ed Gould
John: From a memory circa 1980(s). A company in downtown in Chicago got thier throats cut with upgrades to CPU capacity. I do not remember the upgrade but the software alone cost them $250,000 this was mostly (IIRC) a computer associates bill. Another big cost was a DB2 product add on. That

Re: CPU utilization/forecasting

2011-04-16 Thread Ted MacNEIL
AMEN! Dr. H Pat is still around over at Performance Associates. SHARE is another good place for real world experience. Some of Ray Wicks(IBM) old papers are great and Barry Merrill's(PhD) MXG stuff is continually updated. Don't forget CMG -- www.cmg.org Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry

Re: CPU utilization/forecasting

2011-04-16 Thread Gerhard Adam
Well, I disagree with such definition. IMHO CPU busy is pattern of NOPs (No OPeration) and usable instructions. 1% busy simply means that 99% of cycles were filled with NOP, and only 1% of cycles were other instructione were executed. You can disagree with it all you like, but a job that is

Re: CPU utilization/forecasting

2011-04-16 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2011-04-17 01:11, Gerhard Adam pisze: Well, I disagree with such definition. IMHO CPU busy is pattern of NOPs (No OPeration) and usable instructions. 1% busy simply means that 99% of cycles were filled with NOP, and only 1% of cycles were other instructione were executed. You can

Re: CPU utilization/forecasting

2011-04-16 Thread Gerhard Adam
You assumed queue existence. Good assumption for z/OS and most other systems, but has no meaning from CPU perspective. A system without a queue has no delays. At that point the only improvement possible would be a faster architecture. Again, there are systems, where there are no such thing

Re: RESMGR for terminating Address Space

2011-04-16 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:17:34 -0400 michealbutz michealb...@optonline.net wrote: :Would anyone know if installing a Address Space Terminating routine via RESMGR works Under :all circumstances :Meaning normal Termination Just be aware that it is when the address space terminates. A batch job

Re: RESMGR for terminating Address Space

2011-04-16 Thread michealbutz
I guess if you load the routine it should be in CSA -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Peter Relson Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 9:15 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: RESMGR for terminating Address Space If it gets