Re: z/OS BDAM question

2018-10-25 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
My personal experience converting two old BDAM-based systems in the past (one for an ISV product, one for a user application), is that converting to use RRDS is relatively easy (SMOP), gives you much better control of error conditions, and performs as well or better even in extreme conditions

Re: Comparison Routine

2018-10-25 Thread David Dai
You may want to look at NCHGT and OCHGT process statements of SuperC compare utility https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.f54u200/ispu2220.htm . '?' can be used to match one character The ideas is that you can 'mask' fields in the old and new files before

Re: Comparison Routine

2018-10-25 Thread Mike Schwab
z/OS regular expressions. https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.bpxa500/regexpa.htm https://www.idug.org/p/bl/et/blogaid=670 https://www.pcre.org/ Pearl Compatable Regular Expression for z/OS at CBT TAPE FILE 939. On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 9:29 PM Paul

Re: Comparison Routine

2018-10-25 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 13:18:31 +1100, Peter Morrison wrote: > >I am trying to find details on a comparison routine that can be used in >z/OS, that allows you to compare a field against a pattern similar to the >SQU 'LIKE' operator - where '*' matches 0 or more characters and '?' matches >just one. >

Re: SORT not behaving consistently

2018-10-25 Thread Tony Harminc
On 25 October 2018 at 18:51, Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Mainsail, one of my most enjoyable programming experiences: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAIL_(programming_language) > > An embryonic attempt at O-O. Alas, several years ago the vendor's

Comparison Routine

2018-10-25 Thread Peter Morrison
Hello, I am trying to find details on a comparison routine that can be used in z/OS, that allows you to compare a field against a pattern similar to the SQU 'LIKE' operator - where '*' matches 0 or more characters and '?' matches just one. I believe there is such a publicly available

Re: Sizing CF Structures

2018-10-25 Thread Peter Bishop
I break it into two parts: hardware-motivated size changes and software-motivated ones. Normally the latter are fairly predictable, e.g. based on usage, etc. Here you say there is no indication of any change there. The former are somewhat sparsely documented in my view, but there is usually

Re: Sizing CF Structures

2018-10-25 Thread Michael Babcock
When we went to a z14-ZR1 we had to increase the size of one of our RRS structures. RRS wouldn’t come up since the min size changed with the new CFCC level. Had to have 3M instead of 2M. Don’t remember which one off the top of my head. I can check if you like. On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 5:46 PM

Re: SORT not behaving consistently

2018-10-25 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 17:16:49 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote: > >> (In debug mode, the compiler generated STH; LH of a halfword variable not >> otherwise referenced, truncating an invalid halfword value. Even before >> that, >> I had felt that by design STH should program check on such a condition.)

Sizing CF Structures

2018-10-25 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
We've played the game of sizing CF structures for two decades. About to play it yet again. The main problem is that the sizing tool asks for some input for most structures, and that input is itself a SWAG. Without spending an inordinate amount of time researching the current environment, does

Re: SORT not behaving consistently

2018-10-25 Thread Tony Harminc
On 25 October 2018 at 16:12, Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > (In debug mode, the compiler generated STH; LH of a halfword variable not > otherwise referenced, truncating an invalid halfword value. Even before that, > I had felt that by design STH should

Re: SORT not behaving consistently

2018-10-25 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 20:36:58 +, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote: >OK, I'm simmering down. Here's my concern: I own the SORT product; I own the >CEC; I own the DASD. If I change any of those things and the user's output >differs, then I'm on the spot to explain why. The explanation may not be

Re: SORT not behaving consistently

2018-10-25 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 19:56:19 +, Christopher Y. Blaicher wrote: > >If reproducibility of record sequences is important, then use the EQUALS >option. It adds to the key length, but nothing comes for free, although it >would have to be a pretty huge sort to notice the difference. > >I would

Re: SORT not behaving consistently

2018-10-25 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
OK, I'm simmering down. Here's my concern: I own the SORT product; I own the CEC; I own the DASD. If I change any of those things and the user's output differs, then I'm on the spot to explain why. The explanation may not be difficult, but if a user presses with 'why didn't you tell us this

Determinism (was: SORT not behaving consistently)

2018-10-25 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 14:48:24 -0400, David Betten wrote: >If EQUALS is in effect, then DFSORT will always preserve the original order >of records with the same key value. If EQUALS is not in effect, then it is >possible for the sequence of records with the same key value to vary. One >reason

Re: SORT not behaving consistently

2018-10-25 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 14:58:40 -0400, Charles Mills wrote: >I think I respectfully disagree. Sometimes particular combinations of options >yield unspecified behavior. Sure, computers are generally deterministic but >the results might be dependent on region size or some other "irrelevant"

Re: SORT not behaving consistently

2018-10-25 Thread Christopher Y. Blaicher
Jesse, Each sort does optimization, not just each sort product, but each sort executed. There are a lot of factors that go into optimization like memory layout, other work running on the machine, what disk drives are available. Lots of other things also. Now, that effects how long each

Re: SORT not behaving consistently

2018-10-25 Thread Charles Mills
I think I respectfully disagree. Sometimes particular combinations of options yield unspecified behavior. Sure, computers are generally deterministic but the results might be dependent on region size or some other "irrelevant" variable. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe

Re: SORT not behaving consistently

2018-10-25 Thread David Betten
If EQUALS is in effect, then DFSORT will always preserve the original order of records with the same key value. If EQUALS is not in effect, then it is possible for the sequence of records with the same key value to vary. One reason this can vary is due to the amount of memory available on the

Re: SORT not behaving consistently

2018-10-25 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
I for one find this discrepancy highly disturbing unless it can be tracked down to an unintended difference in SORT options. Like it or not, a program should give consistent results on every execution wherever it's run. Whether it matters to the user in this particular case is not germane. It

Re: SORT not behaving consistently

2018-10-25 Thread Beesley, Paul
My thought exactly. Apparently it does... which, as Charles Mills correctly says, the rest of the fields should be part of the sort key or they should use EQUALS. Regards and thanks Paul -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Cameron Conacher Sent:

Re: SORT not behaving consistently

2018-10-25 Thread Charles Mills
If the order of records matters then the "matter" should be part of the sort key (or EQUALS). Otherwise it could change machine to machine or PTF to PTF or day to day. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Cameron

Re: SORT not behaving consistently

2018-10-25 Thread Cameron Conacher
So are you saying that the order of records with identical keys is different machine to machine? Does that matter? Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 25, 2018, at 12:23 PM, Beesley, Paul wrote: > > Hi > > Have been asked to investigate reasons for an identical DFSORT behaving > differently on 2

Re: SORT not behaving consistently

2018-10-25 Thread Sri h Kolusu
>>On the new system it's almost like EQUALS is coded, but it's not. Paul, Most likely it is EQUALS that might cause this type of issue. Did you run to see if the installation defaults match on both machines? If you want DFSORT team to diagnose the issue, then please code //SORTDIAG DD DUMMY

SORT not behaving consistently

2018-10-25 Thread Beesley, Paul
Hi Have been asked to investigate reasons for an identical DFSORT behaving differently on 2 machines. We are transitioning a service which is currently on a zEC12 to a z14 machine, and the disks are currently HP9500, moving to IBM DS8886. When they run sort of multi-thousand records on the old

Re: SMP/E

2018-10-25 Thread John Eells
Longabaugh, Robert E wrote: CA has offered Internet Service Retrieval (RECEIVE ORDER) since January 2018. https://support.ca.com/us/product-content/status/announcement-documents/2018/ca-smp-e-receive-order---maintenance-delivery-made-easy.html I believe that at least one other ISV offers

Re: SMP/E

2018-10-25 Thread Kurt Quackenbush
On 10/24/2018 7:09 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 22:12:45 +, Longabaugh, Robert E wrote: CA has offered Internet Service Retrieval (RECEIVE ORDER) since January 2018.

Re: DCB Open Exit

2018-10-25 Thread Peter Relson
LDA vs VSMLIST: I would use neither. If you're trying to make a decision based on the amount of user-region storage that is available or something else related to private storage, then consider the LDAX. While fields in the LDA are not programming interfaces, fields in the LDAX are. The LDAX

Re: z/OS BDAM question

2018-10-25 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2018-10-24 o 20:22, Frank M. Ramaekers pisze: I'm a z/VM and z/VSE shop, but we do have a z/OS system and someone in IT want to know if BDAM can be larger than 65535 tracks. Is this limitation per extent or entire file size. >From the z/VSE LISTSERV: I believe it is 65K tracks per

Re: z/OS Client Web Enablement Toolkit sample

2018-10-25 Thread Steve Austin
Thanks for your timely and helpful response Galina. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Galina Gorelik Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 8:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS Client Web Enablement Toolkit

Re: z/OS BDAM question

2018-10-25 Thread Giliad Wilf
You can't. BDAM does not support DSNTYPE=LARGE. Giliad On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 18:22:04 +, Frank M. Ramaekers wrote: >I'm a z/VM and z/VSE shop, but we do have a z/OS system and someone in IT want >to know if BDAM can be larger than 65535 tracks. Is this limitation per >extent or entire

Re: We're IST-2IDT, and switching back from UTC+3 to UTC+2 at 2AM Oct. 28th

2018-10-25 Thread Giliad Wilf
Good question. Developers here do not rely on local time, but I want them to always see local time. It has something to do with human perception of "reality". Giliad On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 16:30:24 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 02:38:39 -0500, Giliad Wilf wrote: >> >>At 2AM

Re: z/OS BDAM question

2018-10-25 Thread Mikael Nystrom
If you use the Relative Block Address the dataset can be much larger. Mikael Nyström Core Ledger SEB Phone: +46 70 739 48 55 Switchboard: +46 771 62 10 00 Postal Address: A-B9, SE-106 40 Stockholm, Sweden Office Address: Stjarntorget 4 E-mail: mikael.nyst...@seb.se www.seb.se ? Please