Re: emptying a PDS: was RE: [IBM-MAIN] getting XCFAS down

2020-10-22 Thread Mike Schwab
If all the PDSE directory blocks are full it grabs another block for the directory, it can't run out of space unless the entire data set cannot be expanded. On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 5:30 PM Joel C. Ewing wrote: > > I would assume a directory entry must be created before attempting to > allocate

Re: emptying a PDS: was RE: [IBM-MAIN] getting XCFAS down

2020-10-22 Thread Charles Mills
How many PDSE members can dance on the head of a disk? It's Friday in Europe and Asia. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Joel C. Ewing Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 3:30 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: emptying a PDS: was RE: [IBM-MAIN] getting XCFAS down

2020-10-22 Thread Joel C. Ewing
I would assume a directory entry must be created before attempting to allocate space for the contents of a new PDSE member.  So, assuming the PDSE has no free blocks and cannot be extended, do you get a different type of ABEND if the out-of-space condition occurs at directory entry creation time

Re: How to determine the Dataclas Used for a TAPE

2020-10-22 Thread Russell Witt
Lizette, There is an option within CA 1 called SMS that can be set to EXT (EXTended). This will store the SMS Management class in the TMC record at the file-level. For Dataclas you would have to use the new (new with 14.0) TMOKEYxx member and have the Dataclas stored at the volume level in the

Re: Sept 2020 ZOWE performance PTFs

2020-10-22 Thread Doug Henry
On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 07:29:11 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote: Thanks Mike for posting this and thanks to Marna for the tweet. We are in the process of working on a maintenance rollout . The timing is perfect. Doug >https://twitter.com/A_Hermelink/status/1319196681527754753?s=20 > >@mwalle > >I'm

Re: Sept 2020 ZOWE performance PTFs

2020-10-22 Thread Ken Smith
Are you referring to Z.O.W.I.E. (Zonal Organization World Intelligence Espionage)? They’re the good guys and employ Superagent Derek Flint. Dipicted in the excellent “In Like Flint” movie series from 1966-7. Some say events therein really happened. Okay, one guy said it.

Re: Shopz Question

2020-10-22 Thread Richards, Robert B.
Kurt, You provided an answer that I needed to know. Thank you! I will be ordering z/OS 2.4 shortly. I understand that "z/OSMF Software Management portable software instance format" for z/OS is not an option at this time. Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On

Re: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question

2020-10-22 Thread Pommier, Rex
Looking at this a bit further, getting this PTF installed requires the PTFs to install the PTFs for encrypting the spool file. And it requires an IPL to pick up the changes. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex Sent: Thursday, October

Re: emptying a PDS: was RE: [IBM-MAIN] getting XCFAS down

2020-10-22 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 08:52:38 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >Putting it differently, there is no distinction between "member data space" >and "directory entry space." Being out of one is being out of both. A PDSE of >10 tracks could equally well hold one member of ~500K or lots and lots of tiny

Re: emptying a PDS: was RE: [IBM-MAIN] getting XCFAS down

2020-10-22 Thread Charles Mills
Putting it differently, there is no distinction between "member data space" and "directory entry space." Being out of one is being out of both. A PDSE of 10 tracks could equally well hold one member of ~500K or lots and lots of tiny or "null" members. A mischievous programmer adding an

Re: emptying a PDS: was RE: [IBM-MAIN] getting XCFAS down

2020-10-22 Thread R.S.
W dniu 22.10.2020 o 15:12, Paul Gilmartin pisze: On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 13:50:44 +0200, R.S. wrote: Remark: while shortage of space is possible in PDSE, then shortage of directory blocks is not possible. What happens if an inquisitive programmer mischievously adds an unbounded number of empty

Re: How to determine the Dataclas Used for a TAPE

2020-10-22 Thread R.S.
Yes, Data class is used for choosing tape parameters (MEDIAn, encryption, etc). -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 21.10.2020 o 01:08, Jackson, Rob pisze: And yet it is for SMS-managed tape. Tape does not have SMS-managed datasets. First Horizon Bank Mainframe Technical Support

Re: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question

2020-10-22 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 13:02:53 +, Pommier, Rex wrote: >In regards to TYPRUN=COPY not working. > >In case anybody is interested in this, I received notice yesterday that PTF >UJ04073 is now available for this APAR. I haven't installed it yet but it's >there. > Where I see: Local fix

Re: emptying a PDS: was RE: [IBM-MAIN] getting XCFAS down

2020-10-22 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 13:50:44 +0200, R.S. wrote: >Remark: while shortage of space is possible in PDSE, then shortage of >directory blocks is not possible. > What happens if an inquisitive programmer mischievously adds an unbounded number of empty members to a small PDSE? Or adds numerous aliases

Re: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question

2020-10-22 Thread Pommier, Rex
In regards to TYPRUN=COPY not working. In case anybody is interested in this, I received notice yesterday that PTF UJ04073 is now available for this APAR. I haven't installed it yet but it's there. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex

Sept 2020 ZOWE performance PTFs

2020-10-22 Thread Mike Schwab
https://twitter.com/A_Hermelink/status/1319196681527754753?s=20 @mwalle I'm looking at a list of recent z/OSMF performance APARs associated w/ improved startup by reducing EXCP count. They are fairly recent (Sept 2020), so I'll paste them here for your consideration: PH28921, PH28920, PH28971,

Re: emptying a PDS: was RE: [IBM-MAIN] getting XCFAS down

2020-10-22 Thread R.S.
Remark: while shortage of space is possible in PDSE, then shortage of directory blocks is not possible. BTW: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think PDSE on LNKLST *may have* secondary extents and it is NOT bad practise like in case of PDS. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu

Re: How to determine the Dataclas Used for a TAPE

2020-10-22 Thread R.S.
W dniu 20.10.2020 o 23:26, Pew, Curtis G pisze: On Oct 20, 2020, at 3:00 PM, Jackson, Rob wrote: Tape dataclass is on the volume level. You can use 'd sms,vol(vv)'. That shows the storage group but not the dataclass. I’m pretty sure DATACLAS, for both disk and tape, is used during ACS