Re: [Ietf-dkim] Comments on draft-chuang-dkim-replay-problem

2023-04-04 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Scott Kitterman wrote in <2920460.qdh4J8JMRY@localhost>: |On Sunday, April 2, 2023 4:56:16 PM EDT Wei Chuang wrote: |> A -03 draft is available at |> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-chuang-dkim-replay-problem-03.html. | |Thanks. While I haven't given it a thorough review, based on a

Re: [Ietf-dkim] Comments on draft-chuang-dkim-replay-problem

2023-04-03 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sunday, April 2, 2023 4:56:16 PM EDT Wei Chuang wrote: > A -03 draft is available at > https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-chuang-dkim-replay-problem-03.html. Thanks. While I haven't given it a thorough review, based on a quick read, I think this should serve as the basis for further work

Re: [Ietf-dkim] Comments on draft-chuang-dkim-replay-problem

2023-04-03 Thread Wei Chuang
On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 12:02 PM Hector Santos wrote: > +1. > > ARC is not a solution, but it is a good part of the problem. It’s not hard > to see how our fall back to defocusing, the de-emphasis of the DKIM Policy > Model in lieu of Reputation Modeling creating this issue. > ARC compounds the

Re: [Ietf-dkim] Comments on draft-chuang-dkim-replay-problem

2023-04-03 Thread Wei Chuang
A -03 draft is available at https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-chuang-dkim-replay-problem-03.html. On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 3:18 AM Laura Atkins wrote: > > > On 24 Mar 2023, at 16:38, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > > Informal comments only here. I know a merger with Dave's draft is in >

Re: [Ietf-dkim] Comments on draft-chuang-dkim-replay-problem

2023-04-03 Thread Wei Chuang
On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 9:38 AM Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > Informal comments only here. I know a merger with Dave's draft is in > progress, so some of these may not apply by the time you're done. > > Section 1.1: > > It feels a little presumptuous to assume any DKIM receiver has also built >

Re: [Ietf-dkim] Comments on draft-chuang-dkim-replay-problem

2023-03-25 Thread Laura Atkins
> On 24 Mar 2023, at 16:38, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > > Informal comments only here. I know a merger with Dave's draft is in > progress, so some of these may not apply by the time you're done. > > Section 1.1: > > It feels a little presumptuous to assume any DKIM receiver has also built

Re: [Ietf-dkim] Comments on draft-chuang-dkim-replay-problem

2023-03-24 Thread Laura Atkins
> On 24 Mar 2023, at 18:14, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > > > On March 24, 2023 5:42:41 PM UTC, Michael Thomas wrote: >> >> On 3/24/23 10:22 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: >>> >>> >>> Fine with me, it's far from a showstopper overall. I just made the >>> suggestion. >>> >> This wg should

Re: [Ietf-dkim] Comments on draft-chuang-dkim-replay-problem

2023-03-24 Thread Hector Santos
+1. ARC is not a solution, but it is a good part of the problem. It’s not hard to see how our fall back to defocusing, the de-emphasis of the DKIM Policy Model in lieu of Reputation Modeling creating this issue. Every issue we have today is nearly 100% because of the lob-sided efforts to

Re: [Ietf-dkim] Comments on draft-chuang-dkim-replay-problem

2023-03-24 Thread Scott Kitterman
On March 24, 2023 5:42:41 PM UTC, Michael Thomas wrote: > >On 3/24/23 10:22 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: >> >> >> Fine with me, it's far from a showstopper overall.  I just made the >> suggestion. >> >This wg should be concerned with DKIM problems, not other wg problems and >especially

Re: [Ietf-dkim] Comments on draft-chuang-dkim-replay-problem

2023-03-24 Thread Michael Thomas
On 3/24/23 10:22 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: Fine with me, it's far from a showstopper overall.  I just made the suggestion. This wg should be concerned with DKIM problems, not other wg problems and especially for experimental rfc's of dubious value and complete mysteries as to what

Re: [Ietf-dkim] Comments on draft-chuang-dkim-replay-problem

2023-03-24 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 9:59 AM Dave Crocker wrote: > On 3/24/2023 9:38 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > > I think I concur with the suggestion that wa should drop discussion of > > ARC. This WG, or the DMARC WG, can develop an update to ARC based on > > the outcome here if the community

Re: [Ietf-dkim] Comments on draft-chuang-dkim-replay-problem

2023-03-24 Thread Dave Crocker
Murray, I'll skip over comments that I think will be resolved as Wei incorporates my text or that I don't have a useful comment on... On 3/24/2023 9:38 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: I think I concur with the suggestion that wa should drop discussion of ARC.  This WG, or the DMARC WG, can

[Ietf-dkim] Comments on draft-chuang-dkim-replay-problem

2023-03-24 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
Informal comments only here. I know a merger with Dave's draft is in progress, so some of these may not apply by the time you're done. Section 1.1: It feels a little presumptuous to assume any DKIM receiver has also built out a reputation system, or has access to one. I guess it might depend