Ehsan,
There seem to be a number of issues that people have pointed out with this
dataset already and your responses have not addressed them. Before we can
even discuss any of the merits of the data, we need to address some very
basic issues- such as:
1. Is this data autogenerated from another
Ehsan,
In the United States, where I live, we use a different measurement system
than most places. Instead of meters and kilometers, we use feet and miles.
We have many measurements in OSM using meters, which could then be changed
to feet. Someone could write a script to take every single
I have placed a block message on this users's account in the hopes
that she reads it and can reply quickly to the changeset discussions.
If I don't hear back from her soon, I will revert the changesets in
order to minimize the disruption of mapping in Nepal during the
crisis.
On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Vincent Frison
vincent.fri...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for the arguments, I will put the source tag into the changeset.
@Serge: I don't think it would be a good idea to remove the current source
tags. Ok if it would be saved in the history but I think it must be
I'm very excited to see more information being applied to the Paris
building data, and I think we'll want to look at the technique in
general to see where it could be applied to other imports.
Can you explain why you want a source tag instead of including the
information in the changeset?
Mark,
Thanks for your interest in getting this data into OSM. That's very exciting!
We have lots of reasons for needing to evaluate the data pre-seeing it
on OSM. Looking at the sample data you provided[1], I have a few
concerns:
1. Simple rectangular ways have more nodes than necessary eg
Richard,
It would be of great use! Normally such data is either under a
non-Free license and or has been geocoded by a service like Google,
which makes it unsuitable for import, but having a Freely licensable
dataset without license issues and without issues of geocoding would
be of immense value
Bryce,
After reading through this thread, I just don't see this dataset as
being high enough of quality to import.
Arguing that users will be free to move objects does not jive with the
~10 years experience we have in OSM, and nearly that long with
imports. Imported data is rarely touched, even
Sander,
It's the weekend, give folks some time to read and digest. :)
- Serge
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com wrote:
No comments?
2014-12-06 13:44 GMT+01:00 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com:
Hi all,
Last year, there was already an attempt to
Mele,
This is why I created this list in the first place, to help those on
the path to importing get a sense of the issues they'd face and
provide guidance.
The issues we had with the last license change were dramatic and
traumatic for much of the project, and so it'd be nice to avoid that
if
Folks, I feel like we're getting off topic a bit here.
Please, let's stick to the issues of the import Portland Metro Area Buildings.
If there are other agreements that people want to make or discussions
about legal contracts, they should be made in other forums.
Let's try to stick to the
Pierre,
I'm sorry for coming into this discussion late. It's a very major
holiday week in the US and I've been very busy scrambling to get
things done before the madness.
I have a number of questions about this import, most of which I'm sure
are on the proposal wiki page for this import. Where
Clifford,
Thank you for taking action on this mater.
The license issue is certainly a prerequisite to addressing this
problematic import. Ican't speak for the DWG or LWG here but I think
that the email you got, if it's properly documented, is Good enough.
It bothers me that they think this is
Folks,
The DWG has been informed of a bad import in Blacksburg, VA.
There are a large number of building changesets, but there seems to be
only one address changeset that I see, which is:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/5946768
The buildings and addresses are in separate changesets by
Sorry, this was supposed to also go to the imports list.
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Date: Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Imports] Marin County data license
To: Nathan Mixter nmix...@gmail.com
Nathan,
Unfortunately, as is often
31, 2014 at 7:14 AM, Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote:
Serge,
It reads to me as if the must is a condition on the use of the name
MarinMap, not a condition on the use of the data.
Best
Dan
2014-10-31 11:08 GMT+00:00 Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com:
The minute you use the word
John,
You need to follow the import guidelines on the wiki.
First step, though, is identifying the data license to see if it's
even possible.
What's the URL for this data?
- Serge
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 11:12 PM, John J Czaplewski jczap...@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings!
I'm an experienced
Alex,
That's a great question.
Since Paul hasn't responded yet, I'll speculate that his question is
asking about the training process, which is similar to the questions
that we in NYC had about Seattle's training process.
I remember having an online meeting with you, some other NYC locals
and
heard this before several times from you before on numerous
threads. Time to move on.
Sincerely
-Mikel
* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
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wrote:
David,
Thank you for your straightforward answer. Mikel
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote:
From the Mapbox team, I myself and my colleague Aaron have been in touch
with David Jackson from DC/OCTO who's leading the import to help him work
through setting up tools, so has Mikel who is not affiliated with Mapbox.
Brian
David,
It's been over two weeks and while we've had a lot of questions and
discussion, I haven't seen an update from you on this proposal.
What's the situation?
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On Thu, 29 May 2014 02:52:23 +0200
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
do you have a complete list of the tags that you propose to drop?
key with count of occurrence:
gnis:feature_id=* 26
gnis:id=* 6577
The US
Aaron,
Your memory on the NYC import differs from mine. I recall the major
cause of stopping was not a technical issue- it was that MapBox
employees were importing recklessly (for a lack of a better word) ,
and it was also due to lack of transparency by MapBox on the import
being done by paid
, but based on the supporters explicitly
listed, I think this is a question that the community deserves to know
the answer to.
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I just want to send out a note saying that next week's meeting will be
postponed due to two events.
The first is that it's the day after the State of the Map and many
people will be either travelling or returning.
The second is that it's the first night of Passover.
We'll have to reschedule.
Hey all,
Just a quick reminder than we're on for tonight, 7pm EST on Google
Hangouts. I'll send an email with the URL 10 minutes before the
meeting.
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Hey all,
Just a quick reminder than we're on for tonight, 7pm EST on Google
Hangouts. I'll send an email with the URL 10 minutes before
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 12:18 AM, Dalibor Jelínek dali...@dalibor.cz wrote:
Also we plan to re-import all the address nodes in Czechia how do we tell
What do you mean by re-import?
Do you mean that you'll touch every single address node, either by
deleting and re-creating, or by modifying? If
Benjamin,
Doing mass tagging or mass renaming is quite a difficult process in
OSM. I did a more modest mass tagging change last year, renaming
millions of road names in the US from Rd to Road, and that process
took almost six months of discussion and debate before it was
approved, and what was
Petr,
You're clearly frustrated, but we're all trying to work towards a
solution. Unfortuntely, as you point out, I don't speak Czech. I did
spend a week in Prague, if that counts for anything, but I didn't know
the addressing system.
If your English is up to it, I propose we try to meet by
Sorry, I forgot to announce the meeting tonight on Google Hangouts
Yes, it's tonight!
7pm EST.
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Hi all,
I wrote a blog post on the long term maintenance of imported OSM data
that others may find interesting:
http://blog.emacsen.net/blog/2014/03/13/the-maintenance-of-imported-data-in-openstreetmap/
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Martin,
For maybe the first time ever, we agree on something, and this is
something I brought up early on with this import.
There is an enormous amount of redundancy in this information, since
the districts/sections of the city are polygons, it would make more
sense to add them as polygons and
What's really curious is how addr:suburb seems to have changed
meanings between 2009 and 2011...
The current meaning doesn't fit the meaning of the English word at
all, which is part of our tagging philosophy (that tags should make
sense in English).
- Serge
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 11:03 PM,
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Dalibor Jelínek dali...@dalibor.czwrote:
Is there anything else you would like us to do before we start the import?
I have a few questions.
1. Can you please directly link to where the data is specified as public
domain?
Is it in the metadata? I did not see
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Jason Remillard
remillard.ja...@gmail.comwrote:
Hello Everybody,
Each municipality is a different import. Part of the process needs to be
to be validation, for example, which has already been brought up and not
answered.
I have been trying to follow this
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 5:24 AM, Zbigniew Czernik zbign...@openstreetmap.pl
wrote:
W dniu 20.02.2014 09:57, Martin Koppenhoefer pisze:
I sent this data after checking and confirmation by user:ukasiu, who gave
me a feedback via IRC.
Should I wait for confirmation from non-polish community
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com
wrote:
Should I wait for confirmation from non-polish community for every
municipality? :P
Yes. That is part of the process, to get the feedback
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Zbigniew Czernik zbign...@openstreetmap.pl
wrote:
Should I compare every address with imagery?
If you aren't comparing them to imagery, how do you know they're accurate?
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We have a meeting tonight on Google+, 7pm EST.
I'll send the hangout link 10 minutes before the meeting.
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It's way early but:
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Hey all,
Meeting today at Google+. Same bat time, same bat station.
7pm EST. I'll send the hangout URL before
All,
I have to tell everyone that this thread has me extremely burned, not just
on imports, but I may need to take some time off OSM after today, just to
keep my sunny disposition...
As I see it, this discussion has both sides digging in their heels and
seeing less of what the other side is
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote
Of course OpenStreetMap is meant to be used. What else is it about? If we
want to build a project of social impact, one that changes who draws the
map, then this is about getting OpenStreetMap used.
We all want OSM to be a
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:
But your statement does remind me of a good point: those that claim
imports harm community have not shown any data supporting that viewpoint.
I have anecdotal evidence to that effect, which is that I've personally had
trouble
My anecdotal evidence shows the opposite: people are more excited about
OSM in Chicago with the buildings import from last year.
I am not talking about excitment, I'm talking about how many objects are
actually updated.
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On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Saikrishna Arcot saiarcot...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm using the capitalization of the street name as it is in OSM.
Technically, shouldn't the city name in OpenStreetMap match the
legal/geographical city and not the postal city?
Technically the city name in OSM
Please do not cross post.
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Johan C osm...@gmail.com wrote:
But if you have the buildings, I think the consensus has been to merge
them in.
Not quite. Consensus has been that there are two options, and that local
communities (not individuals) can decide on the
Saikrishna,
You've made some big improvements to the wiki- thank you.
I think we still have a ways to go before this is ready to be vetted
in depth- we have a few big issues, as I see it (and I'm sure others
will jump in with their own):
1. The license issue is still unresolved
I looked at the
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.uswrote:
I agree with Martijn. Addresses add real value to OSM. With an address
node, routing works better, adding POI information is easier, and it aids
disaster recovery work. I'll admit, building outlines look nice and
Saikrishna,
I understand your enthusiasm for wanting to have address points for Fulton
County, Georgia, but before you start uploading, we need to examine a few
issues:
1. What is the license for this data?
I was unable to download the data that was linked to from the wiki page.
You have a
Hi all,
Happy New Year!
It's time for another meeting, on Google Hangouts, at 7pm EST.
I'll be posting a link to the hangout 10-15 minutes before the meeting.
Hope to see you all there.
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Quick reminder that there's a meeting tonight on Google+.
Will send URL 10-15 minutes before meeting.
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Indeed, they absolutely lead to problems.
In NYC we've found several problems with IDs already:
1. The IDs that we thought were unqiue are not- some have special magic
values. It turns out two agencies have different IDs for the same
building, and we may have wanted to be using the other one the
No offense to either of you, and mad props to Ian Dees, but there have been
a number of people who've been checking the NYC area very mythodically,
including Toby Murray, Richard Welty, Paul Norman and myself
I want to be sure that all non-local folks who've been digging in and
checking the areas
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I can make it today at 5pm.
At 7pm we have the import meeting, so that's my hard stop.
- Serge
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote:
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.comwrote:
It's actually more bizarre than that- the importers
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:51 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.comwrote:
MapBox employee edits have been of bad quality, done extremely rapidly
with lots of errors, tons of omissions. In nearly every single task I've
Ian,
Please stick to the facts, file bugs where you see them*, and stop using
overblown, unsubstantiated words. This pushes
people away from our community and makes the people you're criticizing
defensive and ignore the issue at hand.
I have made a number of bug reports in the past, mainly in
I got word that Eric won't be able to make the meeting.
Can we record it so that he (or anyone else) can watch it later?
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. I
recommend trying this once before, it's really easy but there's an
additional authentication step tha tyou need to do once if I remember this
right.
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I got word that Eric won't be able to make the meeting.
Can we
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On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:00 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
It's hard to believe it's been only two weeks since our last meeting, but
it has, and so it's time for another one!
We'll
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 11:10 PM, Randal Hale
rjh...@northrivergeographic.com wrote:
I'll get the files up shortly - found an issue and I'm working back
through them.
For me the whole license issue is a bit foggy. If public domain isn't a
good one to go with there are multiple imports that
Hi all,
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After thinking about this import- I think that it's overall a bad idea
because the addresses are not tied to physical structures.
It would be better, IMHO, until the areas have building coverage, to
use this as an external resource.
Nonetheless I will reply to this address expansion because I
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Martin Raifer tyr@gmail.com wrote:
Randal Hale rjh...@northrivergeographic.com wrote:
I ask because I will (hopefully) be faced with a comparable problem in
2014
I'm also involved in a similar address import which is still in an early
phase. And I see
/24/2013 08:32 AM, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 07:53:30AM -0500, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
After thinking about this import- I think that it's overall a bad idea
because the addresses are not tied to physical structures.
It would be better, IMHO, until the areas have building
Ben,
As someone who is overseeing a large import as well (though not as
large as all of Belgium), I have a number of questions:
1. What QA have you done on the data to see that it's both good and consistent?
Belgium is a large area and what we have found in the past is that
data may be great in
Darrell,
The US board has given us the impression that it is very concerned
about the state of the documentation around imports, so we've begun
looking at what can be done to fix the situation.
I proposed documentation to go on the OSM US website on the request of
Martijn (the president) and
Hi all,
It's time again for our biweekly meeting. That will be tonight at 7pm
EST on Google Hangouts.
I'll send the URL to the group and IRC 10-15 minutes before the meeting starts.
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On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Daniel O'Connor
daniel.ocon...@gmail.com wrote:
Can I push a different approach, for the longer term?
You can discuss it.
I understand the problem we are trying to solve is preventing harmful
imports, so the map data is of high quality.
That's *one* of the
Folks,
Have we lost our digital heritage?
If you use in-line replies (like we do for pretty much everything
else), all will be easy.
http://www.river.com/users/share/etiquette/#inline
I'll reply about substance soon.
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Carol,
Your responses are commentary, rather than suggestions for
improvements to the document.
Please make concrete suggestions, such as
Original text
Original doesn't sound as good to the ear as Classic, so it would read
Classic text
Thank you,
- Serge
Randal and all,
Let's remember that this is a discussion about a web page, not
regarding policy of any sort. This is about telling people about the
issue of imports with clear, factual information- telling them that
imports are welcome if they're carefully cultivated, but many
datasets, and many
in and of itself.
-Carol
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Carol Kraemer
North River Geographic Systems, Inc
http://www.northrivergeographic.com
404.431.0125 cakrae...@northrivergeographic.com
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Hi all,
In light
Carol,
My issue is this is not Serge vs Carol or Serge vs Randal. In
fact, I liked Randal for the few hours I met him back in Atlanta so
many years ago (that doesn't mean I don't like you- I've just never
met you).
I will tell you that I'm quite frustrated when I read comments like
this from
All,
At the last meeting, we discussed creating a page on the OSM US
website about imports. The message for this page is that we welcome
imports, but that before an import is done, the importer must do a lot
of homework and be prepared for a long process.
Martijn and I separately decided to take
Carol,
I want the mail to go through so that we can capture the discussion.
That is, I don't want to shunt the discussion to a third party
platform.
Please folks, if you have feedback, use the mailing list. If we want
to move the discussion to an editable document, we can use the Wiki or
Randal,
I strongly dislike wikis for discussion because the discussion is
split between the group and those on the wiki. If we keep everything
on the list, we keep not only the text, but the discussion, which is
even more important.
I sent the draft in plain text markdown, which is the format
I'm very sorry for not announcing the call for tonight. I've been very
busy with some family issues.
I can make it tonight and will run it if people show up. If not, I
will postpone one week.
Am EXTREMELY SORRY.
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There's a bit of context missing from this conversation, so I want to
fill people in on what happened, and then we can discuss the technical
merits.
Alex made his proposal (with my endorsement) before the import
happened. Alex suggestebut then modified the data to this alternate
way before the
Hi all,
As Alex mentioned, we had a test of our import this weekend.
The event went great, with 22 people coming to help import.
Before the event began, Alex gave a great walkthrough. In addition, we
had written instructions on the tasking manager:
http://tasks.openstreetmap.us/job/2
And I
Hi all,
Meeting tonight at 7pm EST, on Google Hangout, as usual.
Same bat time, same bat place, as they say.
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The reason I didn't bring up Dan's argument (though I love Dan's
evidence) is that cost recovery is often a term used. So someone
might ask Where's our cost recovery?
So for the economic argument, you need to talk to the mayor or others,
rather than the GIS department.
- Serge
On Sat, Oct 12,
Aaron,
I think this is really great, really smart, innovative and awesome
work generally.
The direction you're going is exactly along the trajectory that we're
moving as a community, using the combination of people and tools and
trying to figure out how to use them both where they can do the
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I didn't have to go very far on this proposal to see a showstopper:
Recently, SASA published some of its data as “quasi open data” (CC-BY-NC)
Well, that's not OSM compatible, so there's no need to comment on anything else.
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Aaron,
I have a number of thoughts about your tool.
First, the good:
This is great. It is very similar to the work Martijn and I have done
with MapRoulette. MapRoulette can essentially do what this tool does,
so there wasn't really a need for yet another tool. In fact, my only
complaint is that
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 7:57 AM, a...@mapbox.com a...@mapbox.com wrote:
Maybe i am missing something here, what are the issues referred to
her_specifically_? :
Because of previous imports issues with manual imports
The examples that came up were the French imports, and the DC imports.
The
tiger:name_1
The tiger name_#, name_base, name_direction, prefix, suffix tags are
still useful.
Ideally, all TIGER names would be folded into more meaningful tags
(name, alt_name, etc.) but until then, we want to keep the names in
the object.
- Serge
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Hmm, regarding the ones not touched by the name expansion bot due to
prior user activity... is there a list of these way id's somewhere?
No, but it wouldn't be too hard
Hi all,
There's a meeting scheduled for tonight, but I have an old friend in
town that I haven't seen in a long while, so I won't be able to make
it.
But Jason Remillard has agreed to take over for me, so he'll be
running things tonight.
I hope I see all, or at least most of you this weekend
Looks good to me. Maybe add bot=yes or some other specific import
identifier to the changeset tags?
- Serge
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Jason Remillard
remillard.ja...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Lars and I have finished QA'ing the MassGIS lake uplaod file, and
would like to do the upload next
Innocensia,
I think I speak for many of us when we say that we want to help you,
but are very confused.
Your previous import changeset had 600 ways. What is this one road?
And why is this single way object inside a relation?
Is this part of a new import attempt of the same data, or new data?
I haven't heard any news on this. I know this import had its
supporters who think it can be salvaged. Are you folks going to
provide a plan to address its various issues?
- Serge
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Thomas,
Your answers are really interesting, but your style of response is
quite complicated.
Can you please use the in-line reply style that many of us are used to:
http://www.river.com/users/share/etiquette/#inline
Thanks,
- Serge
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