Re: [Int-area] Completion of working group last call for draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-02

2012-08-09 Thread Dan Wing
-Original Message- From: Wesley Eddy [mailto:w...@mti-systems.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 8:26 PM To: Dan Wing Cc: 'Scott Brim'; 'Joe Touch'; 'Internet Area'; 'Behcet Sarikaya' Subject: Re: [Int-area] Completion of working group last call for draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal

Re: [Int-area] Completion of working group last call for draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-02

2012-08-08 Thread Joe Touch
On Aug 6, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Dan Wing wrote: ... During the INTAREA presentation, one suggestion I heard was a separate protocol (ident-like). I will submit an I-D towards that end, which I am dusting off from 2010 when I first considered ident and discarded it for a variety of reasons.

Re: [Int-area] Completion of working group last call for draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-02

2012-08-08 Thread Scott Brim
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Joe Touch to...@isi.edu wrote: On Aug 6, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Dan Wing wrote: ... During the INTAREA presentation, one suggestion I heard was a separate protocol (ident-like). I will submit an I-D towards that end, which I am dusting off from 2010 when I first

Re: [Int-area] Completion of working group last call for draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-02

2012-08-08 Thread Dan Wing
-Original Message- From: Scott Brim [mailto:scott.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 8:02 AM To: Joe Touch Cc: Dan Wing; Internet Area; Behcet Sarikaya Subject: Re: [Int-area] Completion of working group last call for draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-02 On Wed

Re: [Int-area] Completion of working group last call for draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-02

2012-08-08 Thread Joe Touch
On Aug 8, 2012, at 8:30 AM, Dan Wing wrote: 3) making sure that not everyone can associate the identity with that tag. Scott, Today's Internet users, which are not sharing addresses with other users, are sending an uniquely-identifyable identifier to every Internet server they use:

Re: [Int-area] Completion of working group last call for draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-02

2012-08-08 Thread Wesley Eddy
On 8/8/2012 11:30 AM, Dan Wing wrote: Today's Internet users, which are not sharing addresses with other users, are sending an uniquely-identifyable identifier to every Internet server they use: their unique IP address. Users don't have IP addresses. Machines do. Which are we trying to

Re: [Int-area] Completion of working group last call for draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-02

2012-08-06 Thread Dan Wing
-Original Message- From: Wesley Eddy [mailto:w...@mti-systems.com] Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 12:28 AM To: Dan Wing Cc: sarik...@ieee.org; 'Internet Area'; 'Behcet Sarikaya' Subject: Re: [Int-area] Completion of working group last call for draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis

Re: [Int-area] Completion of working group last call for draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-02

2012-07-30 Thread Brian Haberman
; Internet Area Objet : Re: [Int-area] Completion of working group last call for draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-02 On Jul 27, 2012, at 0:09, mohamed.boucad...@orange.com wrote: The argument I heard in Paris meeting for including a recommendation is to help vendors to select the solution

Re: [Int-area] Completion of working group last call for draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-02

2012-07-30 Thread Francis Dupont
In your previous mail you wrote: You keep saying privacy, but without explaining the problem or how IPv4 address sharing makes privacy better or worse than IPv6. = there are two levels about the privacy problem: the technical one which is explained/addressed in the draft (section 4) and

Re: [Int-area] Completion of working group last call for draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-02

2012-07-30 Thread Eggert, Lars
Hi, On Jul 29, 2012, at 23:41, mohamed.boucad...@orange.com wrote: Could be more explict and explain what is missing in draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-02 to reach that stage? the goal of this draft was to survey the options. I don't think it should make any recommendation at all. If

Re: [Int-area] Completion of working group last call for draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-02

2012-07-29 Thread Francis Dupont
In your previous mail you wrote: What analysis is missing from draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis to weigh the drawbacks of the 8 solutions. = there are two kinds of drawbacks: the technical drawbacks and the not technical drawbacks, e.g., the impact on privacy... Note because if the

Re: [Int-area] Completion of working group last call for draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-02

2012-07-28 Thread Wesley Eddy
of working group last call for draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-02 On 7/26/2012 1:08 PM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 3:25 AM, mohamed.boucad...@orange.com wrote: Dear Suresh, all, After reading received comments, the major point we need to discuss is whether the WG

Re: [Int-area] Completion of working group last call for draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-02

2012-07-27 Thread mohamed.boucadair
-Message d'origine- De : int-area-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:int-area-boun...@ietf.org] De la part de Suresh Krishnan Envoyé : vendredi 20 juillet 2012 20:56 À : Internet Area Objet : [Int-area] Completion of working group last call for draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-02 Hi all, After going

Re: [Int-area] Completion of working group last call for draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-02

2012-07-27 Thread Eggert, Lars
On Jul 27, 2012, at 0:09, mohamed.boucad...@orange.com wrote: The argument I heard in Paris meeting for including a recommendation is to help vendors to select the solution to implement in their devices. They can not provide the same feature using 8 implementation options. That argument

Re: [Int-area] Completion of working group last call for draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-02

2012-07-26 Thread mohamed.boucadair
d'origine- De : int-area-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:int-area-boun...@ietf.org] De la part de Suresh Krishnan Envoyé : vendredi 20 juillet 2012 20:56 À : Internet Area Objet : [Int-area] Completion of working group last call for draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-02 Hi all, After going

[Int-area] Completion of working group last call for draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-02

2012-07-20 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi all, After going through the responses to the WGLC, it is clear that the draft is not ready to go forward in the publication process. We will discuss further steps for this draft at the Vancouver meeting. Thanks Suresh Julien ___ Int-area mailing