places where you can find them.
So what I’m curious about is whether the discourse backend would allow us to
do such things like categorisation for easy finding and browsing of threads or
even single solutions?
Cheers,
Valentin
Am Sonntag, 12. März 2023, 11:54:27 CET schrieb Andrew Bernard:
>
You can get various stats from Discourse. There are over 6.5K users who
have posted over the years and consequently have been created. An
amazing community.
Andrew
at if they would like. I'll publish the domain name that
it sits on then.
One thing I like about Discourse is the good search function. Sure you
can search the web based user archive but this is all integrated on the
Discourse web interface and it's a pleasure to use. The recent versions
of Discourse also
On 06/03/2023 02:52, David Kastrup wrote:
Andrew Bernard writes:
I should add that a normal fresh install does not require large
RAM. It's only the mbox import script. I think it's poorly written and
does not constrain itself when it comes to memory.
Is it necessary to run the import on the
On Mon 06 Mar 2023 at 04:18:17 (+0100), David Kastrup wrote:
> Andrew Bernard writes:
>
> > Well you can dynamically increase CPU or RAM or both on Digitalocean
> > that I use. You can do it on a temporary basis - but I'm not sure if
> > you get charged for a month or on a strict time basis,
Andrew Bernard writes:
> Well you can dynamically increase CPU or RAM or both on Digitalocean
> that I use. You can do it on a temporary basis - but I'm not sure if
> you get charged for a month or on a strict time basis, it's hard to
> find out!. It's not a matter of needing a separate system.
But that is exactly my point. A system that does require much more resources
to set up is a bit fishy in my eyes.
Also my point still stands:
As far as I see discourse uses docker containers for deployment. Wouldn’t it
be possible to set up the container on a local machine, export the set up
Andrew Bernard writes:
> Well you can dynamically increase CPU or RAM or both on Digitalocean
> that I use. You can do it on a temporary basis - but I'm not sure if
> you get charged for a month or on a strict time basis, it's hard to
> find out!. It's not a matter of needing a separate system.
Well you can dynamically increase CPU or RAM or both on Digitalocean
that I use. You can do it on a temporary basis - but I'm not sure if you
get charged for a month or on a strict time basis, it's hard to find
out!. It's not a matter of needing a separate system. My only issue is
that I am
Andrew Bernard writes:
> I should add that a normal fresh install does not require large
> RAM. It's only the mbox import script. I think it's poorly written and
> does not constrain itself when it comes to memory.
Is it necessary to run the import on the same machine that is going to
run the
I should add that a normal fresh install does not require large RAM.
It's only the mbox import script. I think it's poorly written and does
not constrain itself when it comes to memory.
Andrew
On 6/03/2023 1:29 pm, Andrew Bernard wrote:
On 6/03/2023 3:04 am, Valentin Petzel wrote:
I
No. You misunderstand. Discourse is quite compact. The 8GB of RAM is
only required temporarily for importing 20+ years worth of mbox files.
My Discourse servers all run fine in 2GB of RAM, with unlimited posts,
which are just in a database on disk.
On 6/03/2023 3:04 am, Valentin Petzel wrote
rented a Server
together, but I think if we do something like this we should make full use of
that server.
Cheers,
Valentin
Am Sonntag, 5. März 2023, 06:04:40 CET schrieb Andrew Bernard:
> I'm still keen on Discourse for our community and have been giving it
> some attention. People have r
I'm still keen on Discourse for our community and have been giving it
some attention. People have right;y said the full historical archive is
important. David Kastrup usefully pointed out all the mbox archives are
freely available, back to the beginning. Discourse can import mbox
archives
On 27/02/2023 09:58, Andrew Bernard wrote:
Not sure where my brain has been holidaying lately - I had the idea you
can't import mbox format lists into Discourse and even gave what I
thought were reasons you can't. This it totally wrong. Discourse does
have an import mechanism for loading
On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 1:59 AM Andrew Bernard
wrote:
>
> So I think I'll run up a Discourse server and load a substantial number
> of years of this list and then we can play with it to see. That will be
> better than me just talking about it.
>
Great idea! Although I
Not sure where my brain has been holidaying lately - I had the idea you
can't import mbox format lists into Discourse and even gave what I
thought were reasons you can't. This it totally wrong. Discourse does
have an import mechanism for loading mailing lists.
So I think I'll run up
On 26/02/2023 06:21, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
But (contrary to a false statement I made about import into
Discourse) you can't import mailbox format lists into Discourse
simply, because, for example, the creation of users from 25 years
ago who most probably no longer have the same email addresses
Werner LEMBERG writes:
> Andrew,
>
>
> thanks for your long reponse. I have to correct two of your
> statements:
>
>> But (contrary to a false statement I made about import into
>> Discourse) you can't import mailbox format lists into Discourse
>> simply
Le dimanche 26 février 2023 à 11:02 +, Werner LEMBERG a écrit :
> I suggest that you look at
>
>
> [https://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?idxname=lilypond-user](https://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?idxname=lilypond-user)
>
> AFAICS, this is much more than a 'simple
> I didn't go into detail, but I can assure you user emails are not
> exposed on the web in Discourse, [...]
I didn't say or imply that.
> but a post has to be associated with an account, and an account has
> to be verified by emailing the user, and the email is stored in
>
Le dimanche 26 février 2023 à 10:13 +0100, Jean Abou Samra a écrit :
that you can post by email.
Sorry, of course I meant: post through the Web interface.
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Date: Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 4:13 AM
Le dimanche 26 février 2023 à 06:21 +, Werner LEMBERG a écrit :
> However, e-mail addresses
> shouldn't be exposed in the web interface (the already existing e-mail
> list archive doesn't do that either).
The existing archives do. If you visit
Le dimanche 26 février 2023 à 19:40 +1100, Andrew Bernard a écrit :
> And as a last gasp, I recall when I was running the GNU Mailman lists
> that we had a web based interface to it which was half way decent. This
> may only be supported with GNU Mailman 3, I don't remember (we are on
> 2).
Le dimanche 26 février 2023 à 19:40 +1100, Andrew Bernard a écrit :
> I didn't go into detail, but I can assure you user emails are not
> exposed on the web in Discourse, but a post has to be associated with an
> account, and an account has to be verified by emailing
I didn't go into detail, but I can assure you user emails are not
exposed on the web in Discourse, but a post has to be associated with an
account, and an account has to be verified by emailing the user, and the
email is stored in their private profile so they can, well, receive
email
Andrew,
thanks for your long reponse. I have to correct two of your
statements:
> But (contrary to a false statement I made about import into
> Discourse) you can't import mailbox format lists into Discourse
> simply, because, for example, the creation of users from 25 years
>
as this is in answer to today's
posts, as I have discussed these points. The way I set up email in
Discourse it works great, it's one click to subscribe, it has subject
lines which give the topic and the category for easy filtering, and I
can see no difference between the the email functionality
this claim on.
I looked up the other list that moved to Discourse (I think they had the
same Discourse/Discord confusion), but I remember that being sold
strongly on the web interface. I was certainly left with the very strong
impression email was a second class citizen.
If discourse works
David Santamauro writes:
> Since we’re airing grievances …
>
> The format of the response below is exactly what bothers me most about
> email lists and why I favor forums. The etiquette is to quote what you
> are responding to and remove everything else. Imagine 4 other people
> quoted different
> I looked up the other list that moved to Discourse (I think they had
> the same Discourse/Discord confusion), but I remember that being
> sold strongly on the web interface. I was certainly left with the
> very strong impression email was a second class citizen.
As mentioned alrea
On 25/02/2023 13:34, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
Le samedi 25 février 2023 à 16:56 +0330, Omid Mo'menzadeh a écrit :
Hi all,
Speaking up as one of the silent majority on this topic, now that it's
mentioned, as I think I have two cents to add.
I personally wouldn't be against Discourse, as I find
-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Discourse
> Additionally, I find value in the archived aspect of web fora in
> which all the discussions remain available in a very convenient
> manner.
If you look at the e-mail fields of any message you receive from the
list, you can see the following
> Additionally, I find value in the archived aspect of web fora in
> which all the discussions remain available in a very convenient
> manner.
If you look at the e-mail fields of any message you receive from the
list, you can see the following
List-Id: LilyPond user discussion
This has been a fascinating discussion bringing up many aspects I would not
have thought about, having no background in mailing list administration or
managing an online forum. The discussion of blocked access in some countries
was eye-opening for me as I did not know that happened.
Le samedi 25 février 2023 à 16:56 +0330, Omid Mo'menzadeh a écrit :
> Hi all,
> Speaking up as one of the silent majority on this topic, now that it's
> mentioned, as I think I have two cents to add.
> I personally wouldn't be against Discourse, as I find its email interface
&
Hi all,
Speaking up as one of the silent majority on this topic, now that it's
mentioned, as I think I have two cents to add.
I personally wouldn't be against Discourse, as I find its email interface
good enough, however, there's something that does worry me about such a
migration. As I have
- however, my opinion is that the forums
which I follow that have switched to Discourse are less convenient to
use as a result, so I visit them less now.
as we (unconsciously) refer to the
most common decision making patterns: unanimity (consensus) or a
majority vote. Since moving to a different "community platform" (mailman
to Discourse e.g.) is something quite fundamental, since it connects the
community, it's worth building a considerable c
the email approach to Discourse, as in any
case I prefer the structure enforced in forum sections and threads. Also, the
structuring available for threads in mail clients is only one level, and varies
so widely that it can't be seen as universally useful.
As a forum administrator for many
Le samedi 25 février 2023 à 09:51 +, Paul Hodges a écrit :
> **From: ** Andrew Bernard
>
> > I did a major investigation
> > of other free forum programs and it pretty clear that Discourse is
> > superior to all,
>
> I guess that's your
From: Andrew Bernard
I did a major investigation
of other free forum programs and it pretty clear that Discourse is
superior to all,
I guess that's your opinion - however, my opinion is that the forums which I
follow that have switched to Discourse are less convenient to use
Whatever do you mean? If you read the thread I was freely offering my
time and resources to implement Discourse for lilypond, voluntarily.
Discourse is open source and free. There's no hint of anything
commercial here. You can have Discourse host your instance commercially,
but at no time have
Paid announcement
Al.
> On Feb 24, 2023, at 4:14 PM, Andrew Bernard
> wrote:
>
> I wouldn't say lots, and neither for sure. I did a major investigation of
> other free forum programs and it pretty clear that Discourse is superior to
> all, and importantly it
I wouldn't say lots, and neither for sure. I did a major investigation
of other free forum programs and it pretty clear that Discourse is
superior to all, and importantly it can be self hosted, and others
mostly do not have an email list function. Hence why so many
organizations are turning
Le vendredi 24 février 2023 à 12:17 +, Wols Lists a écrit :
> As an alternative to discourse, Google Groups? You might even be able to
> migrate the list email address across! Of course, that would bring its
> own headaches ...
That is pretty much a non-starter since Goog
OK, I think we can drop the discourse on Discourse :-) I see that it is
too big a change for the users of this list. Running GNU Mailman 2 in
parallel with the list is not something I'm prepared to do, even though
it could just barely be made to work. It's a pity people object to this
newer
e? Cynical? :-)
As an alternative to discourse, Google Groups? You might even be able to
migrate the list email address across! Of course, that would bring its
own headaches ... or could you migrate the list address to your own
discourse server?
At the end of the day, I'm an old dinosaur and don't want things
Am Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 12:17:02AM +0100 schrieb Jean Abou Samra:
> Le jeudi 23 février 2023 à 17:08 -0600, David Wright a écrit :
> > I just tried ^P on the same link in FF, and I got a bar that said:
> >
> > "Firefox prevented this site from opening a pop-up window. [Preferences]
> > ×"
> >
On Thu 23 Feb 2023 at 15:14:08 (-0800), Aaron Hill wrote:
> On 2023-02-23 3:08 pm, David Wright wrote:
> > On Thu 23 Feb 2023 at 23:50:43 (+0100), Jean Abou Samra wrote:
> > > Le jeudi 23 février 2023 à 22:14 +, Wols Lists a écrit :
> >
> > > > Many of the websites I interact with on a
Le jeudi 23 février 2023 à 17:08 -0600, David Wright a écrit :
> I just tried ^P on the same link in FF, and I got a bar that said:
>
> "Firefox prevented this site from opening a pop-up window. [Preferences] ×"
>
> What does it contain/is it for?
It contains a printing dialog. Try it, it
You can set your preferences as you see fit. See previous post.
Andrew
On 24/02/2023 10:14 am, Aaron Hill wrote:
That's an overly aggressive pop-up blocker. Opening new pages for
printing is a pretty normal use case.
You have blocked popups in Firefox. It's not from the site. Printing a
page requires a popup dialog. At least my current version of Firefox
(111.0) has an Options button allowing you to handle this in whatever
way you want, which shows at the top of the page. Perhaps in your
version the button
On 2023-02-23 3:08 pm, David Wright wrote:
On Thu 23 Feb 2023 at 23:50:43 (+0100), Jean Abou Samra wrote:
Le jeudi 23 février 2023 à 22:14 +, Wols Lists a écrit :
> Many of the websites I interact with on a regular basis (shopping, of
> course) have completely broken print interfaces, so
On Thu 23 Feb 2023 at 23:50:43 (+0100), Jean Abou Samra wrote:
> Le jeudi 23 février 2023 à 22:14 +, Wols Lists a écrit :
> > Many of the websites I interact with on a regular basis (shopping, of
> > course) have completely broken print interfaces, so bad that one page of
> > interesting
Le jeudi 23 février 2023 à 22:14 +, Wols Lists a écrit :
> On 22/02/2023 12:39, Andrew Bernard wrote:
>
> > My offer is open. For the main Discourse server I run, amusingly the
> > majority of people use the email interface, no matter how much I
> > encourage
ote:
> On 22/02/2023 12:39, Andrew Bernard wrote:
> > My offer is open. For the main Discourse server I run, amusingly the
> > majority of people use the email interface, no matter how much I
> > encourage them to use the nice web interface. [It's a forum devoted to
> &
On 22/02/2023 12:39, Andrew Bernard wrote:
My offer is open. For the main Discourse server I run, amusingly the
majority of people use the email interface, no matter how much I
encourage them to use the nice web interface. [It's a forum devoted to
harpsichord.] The point is that it runs
import such lists.
>
> I was thinking more indirectly, with the only "interface" between them being
> email:
>
> * Every list email becomes a Discourse email-origin post
>
> * Every Discourse-origin post becomes a list email
>
> Unless there are reason
On Wed, Feb 22, 2023, 7:52 AM Andrew Bernard
wrote:
> Sorry, it can't interface to GNU Mailman, although, as said, it can
> import such lists.
>
I was thinking more indirectly, with the only "interface" between them
being email:
* Every list email becomes a Discourse email-o
Sorry, it can't interface to GNU Mailman, although, as said, it can
import such lists.
Andrew
On 23/02/2023 12:48 am, Karlin High wrote:
If Discourse can be configured to simply provide a web interface for
the email list, I think that would be more of a restoration rather
than a change
On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 7:12 AM Jean Abou Samra wrote:
> a bridge with this list.
This existed in the past with Nabble.
If Discourse can be configured to simply provide a web interface for
the email list, I think that would be more of a restoration rather
than a change to the LilyP
Le mercredi 22 février 2023 à 23:39 +1100, Andrew Bernard a écrit :
> My offer is open.
Migrating and shutting down this mailing list would be a really,
*really* major change that would need broad discussion and approval
after quite some time of using the new Discourse server in paral
I mean openlilylib.space not .org.
a
On 22/02/2023 11:39 pm, Andrew Bernard wrote:
And of course, re openlilylib.org and it's associated Discourse
server, I created that and shut it down recently due to virtually
complete lack of interest.
My offer is open. For the main Discourse server I run, amusingly the
majority of people use the email interface, no matter how much I
encourage them to use the nice web interface. [It's a forum devoted to
harpsichord.] The point is that it runs the web interface and email list
including
Le mercredi 22 février 2023 à 22:45 +1100, Andrew Bernard a écrit :
> If people think an email list presents a barrier to people, I'm willing
> to offer to set up and host the list as a Discourse server, the modern
> way which has a superb web interface and also supports at the
Hi All,
I'm not suggesting OLL should live in isolation. Of course we can post
messages to this group. but the day to day affairs can go on in the
forum, the same as the LilyPond development list. We'll see how it
turns out. I hope that any extended threads will take place in the
forum. Evenly
On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 9:32 AM Gilles Sadowski wrote:
> However, average users might want to be informed when
> some significant improvement has been made such that there is
> now a new recommended/easy way for accomplishing certain
> tasks.
Other LilyPond-related projects such as Frescobaldi
Good suggestion..
On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 10:33 AM Gilles Sadowski wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> 2020-10-16 15:47 UTC+02:00, Andrew Bernard :
> > To provide a focus and a sub-community for LilyPond users and those
> > interested in openLilyLib, I have established a Discourse f
Hi.
2020-10-16 15:47 UTC+02:00, Andrew Bernard :
> To provide a focus and a sub-community for LilyPond users and those
> interested in openLilyLib, I have established a Discourse forum here:
>
> https://discourse.openlilylib.space
>
> All are welcome to join. It's a forum and
To provide a focus and a sub-community for LilyPond users and those
interested in openLilyLib, I have established a Discourse forum here:
https://discourse.openlilylib.space
All are welcome to join. It's a forum and a parallel mailing list for
support, help, development talk, and all matters
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