Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

2022-03-27 Thread JAY DWYER
John, Thank you for having the guts to speak up. I know from my conversations with parents that many feel the same way you do but “don’t want to ruffle feathers“. I, like you, care more about the education of the students and giving them a solid foundation to learn anything they want to in the

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

2022-03-25 Thread john gregg via Lincoln
We can look at the data and talk about MCAS of which again I am not a fan of and whether CRT is or is not in the schools in one form or another and get nowhere. What I can tell you is that my conversation with my child is that he feels that he is not challenged enough in most classes except

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

2022-03-24 Thread Donald Fonseca
stserv, Listserv Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience) We can look at the data and talk about MCAS of which again I am not a fan of and whether CRT is or is not in the schools in one form or another and get nowhere. What I can tell you is t

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

2022-03-24 Thread Donald Fonseca
tps://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: Lincoln on behalf of JAY DWYER Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 8:59:53 AM To: Bryce Wells Cc: Listserv, Listserv Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience) Hi Bryce, Thanks for bringing u

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

2022-03-24 Thread RAandBOB
When I was on the school committee 35 years ago or so, the same question came up every year. We researched it that time and the answer was that many parents send their child to private school after grade 5 or 6 for several reasons: 1) they want an extended day program with sports. 2) everyone

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

2022-03-24 Thread Fuat Koro
Anne - I found the database from the Department of Education very helpful. In addition to MCAS scores, there was a section on "accountability" relative to targets listed at the school level. Lincoln -- without Hanscom -- was at 82 percentile in 2019, the last year the data was published due to

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

2022-03-24 Thread Sara Mattes
All, The reason I suggested looking a longitudinal trends is it would reveal whether or not this is a new phenomena. Don’t look at population trends as this is an argument about whether or not the parents of school age children elect to send their kids to private vs public school. So, you need

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem !

2022-03-24 Thread Joan Kimball
After reading Scott's email, I wondered how Jay's concern about CRT (Critical Race Theory --a subject taught in colleges and graduate schools) has to do with his running for a seat on the Lincoln K-8 school committee. I didn't receive Jay's flier and feel we all be able to understand. Thanks,

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

2022-03-24 Thread Richard Panetta
A quick look shows a decline of less than 100 students in the past 20 years from mass.edu’s site. The question is where did those students go? We’re they home schooled, go to private school or a natural decline in residency? On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 5:24 PM Pastor Allen wrote: > Sara is right:

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

2022-03-24 Thread Richard Panetta
Allen, I would beg to differ. I’ll try and find the numbers but the enrollment goes up and down. When I was in school we barely had 40 kids in our Brooks graduating class. 25% then went on to private school. The enrollment then went up around when Smith was renovated I believe. And is there an

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

2022-03-24 Thread Pastor Allen
Sara is right: a lower birth rate and the resulting increasing percentage of “Empty Nesters” and retired households in town are the biggest factor in declining school enrollment - there are simply far fewer kids here than there used to be. …This trend has been obvious for decades. The number

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

2022-03-24 Thread Anne Wang
Just to clarify, the link that John gave for MCAS scores was for the entire district (Hanscom + Lincoln). However, roughly 1/3 of Hanscom students enter and leave the district every year with almost all students staying no more than 3 years so MCAS scores are not a good representation of the

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem !

2022-03-24 Thread Sara Mattes
And how do you propose we achieve this dream? Sara Mattes -- Sara Mattes > On Mar 23, 2022, at 7:27 PM, JAY DWYER wrote: > > > > “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation > where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

2022-03-24 Thread Sara Mattes
Mr. Dwyer, As someone who advocates the use of good data before we jump to conclusions and answers, that we diagnose accurately before we prescribe, what data have you used to imply large numbers of students are leaving for private schools? What have the numbers been over the years, decades?

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem !

2022-03-24 Thread JAY DWYER
“I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.” MLK Jr. If you agree with this quote, as I do, vote for Joseph Dwyer for school committee on March 28. Jay Dwyer

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

2022-03-24 Thread JAY DWYER
Hi Fuat, “There are lies ,damn lies and statistics”. I agree that we have to take more than one matrix when evaluating performance. In addition to the numerical scores I was also shocked by the number of students leaving to go to private schools. That fact car leaded what did decline in

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

2022-03-24 Thread JAY DWYER
Hi Bryce, Thanks for bringing up your questions and concerns in the well reasoned manner. You are correct, I do not have a background in education other than being educated in two systems. The first one was a public school where I was not thriving. The second one was a parochial school whic

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

2022-03-24 Thread Fuat Koro
Bryce, My observation is when residents question the "goodness" of our education, discussions typically get stuck in much the same way you highlighted: "Typical assessment approaches like test scores and rankings by various publications are not good indicators of our education quality. In the

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

2022-03-24 Thread john gregg via Lincoln
Bryce, It is not a perceived problem, my child has expressed to me that he does not feel challenged and does not think he is being pushed outside of one subject where the teacher assigns more work, that is not perceived, that is a reality for me as a parent. I am not a fan of MCAS and

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

2022-03-23 Thread Bryce Wells via Lincoln
John, Thanks for pulling those MCAS scores. Nothing's perfect, but at least these are standardized across districts. Some thoughts from your note: 1) You said "*I also do not see it as a problem that someone who is not an educator but is expressing concern over the state of our education system

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem !

2022-03-22 Thread Virginia Goodwin
Oo, that is an interesting subtlety. I just went to niche.com and then used the search bar to navigate to Lincoln MA, and since I saw the pin in the map where the Lincoln school is, I figured that was the correct page. It was not readily apparent that there's a different page that captures

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem !

2022-03-22 Thread Virginia Goodwin
FYI all, when I go to niche.com and look at Lincoln, MA public schools, I see that they give us an* A- *overall. Academics: *A* Teachers: *A-* Diversity: *A-* Literacy proficiency rate: *73%* Math proficiency rate: *75%* See: https://www.niche.com/k12/lincoln-school-lincoln-ma/ I can't speak to

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

2022-03-22 Thread Bryce Wells via Lincoln
Jay, I find it concerning that you are prescribing a solution to a (perceived) problem without any background or experience as an educator. I find it galling that you are using Niche.com as your primary source for the problem, but that's another issue for another time. My recommendation is that

[LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem !

2022-03-22 Thread JAY DWYER
Why ? Here are the numbers for K-8 Lincoln Schools from : niche.com 59% proficient in math 61% proficient in english What grade do you get with 61% on a report card? You get an F for failure. We spent $13 million a year for our schools and this is what we get. People with the ability to