Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

John,Are you being serious?  Or was this in jest?Suggesting that one citizen compromise their right to use a road for the convenience of another?Please tell me you don’t seriously thing everyone else should navigate around the hours of jerks in cars through the middle of our town during busy

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

Strict traffic law enforcement is very unpopular with voters. Our social contract these past 50 years or more says people get to demand all the traffic rules they want, because nobody wants to be against "safety", on the condition that the rules are not enforced. Speed cameras are a great

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

Right - state law On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 9:25 AM aaron beck wrote: > I think it’s allowed because people use bikes for drop off and pick up at > school as well as ride them to school and back home. It’s also the law they > can use the road. > > Aaron Q. Beck > > > > On Sep 3, 2023, at 8:54 AM,

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

I think it’s allowed because people use bikes for drop off and pick up at school as well as ride them to school and back home. It’s also the law they can use the road. Aaron Q. BeckOn Sep 3, 2023, at 8:54 AM, john gregg via Lincoln wrote:So I guess my question would be why is road traffic like

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

So I guess my question would be why is road traffic like bikes allowed during school drop off and pick up times? Seems like an easy fix, if you plan to use the roads on a bike plan to go around Bedford Road and when you can utilize the paths to get from A to B. Placing blame on the car and not

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

You re correct regarding public safety-it involves response time. As it is, Lincoln Road is a challenge for them-imagine an ambulance or firetruck trying to navigate that road during rush and school drop-offs...no shoulder for anyone to pull on to. Add speed bumps/humps and it is really an

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

I remember hearing that speed bumps can be a problem for public safety vehicles in emergencies. Does anyone know if that is correct? Also, I thought that bicyclists are supposed to follow the same rules as cars. Having witnessed many such incidents as Lisa described happen in front of police,

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

Having speed bumps on curvy roads seems like a small price to pay when cyclists are dying. In Lincoln, we can choose to make the decision to reject the fossil fuel consuming, dangerous, and expensive norm of car culture. Would a speed bump that encourages car use at the speed limit (as opposed to

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

Both riders and drivers shd be licensed  unless we are trying to honor one above the other. Until we dont have as many vehicles everyone shd have  The understanding that vehicles are bigger and more dangerous, yes and also more of them than bikes. Sorry but that is the reality. As we work to

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

Hi Cars and truck are bigger and go faster. Tough for them to stop or slow down in time. (Around corners). They are also heavier and more difficult  to maneuver than cars. Being dangerous to bicycles who think cars and trucks need to be able to slow on a dime. If the bicyclers don't think about

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

Hi John and all, I'm curious why your list of ideas didn't include increased enforcement on our road, or speed bumps? It wouldn't take much to reinstate the reputation of Lincoln as being strict on speed. Bakers Bridge Road is another to add to the above list of Sandy Pond, Weston Road, Tower Rd

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

Hi All,I have been reading about this and tempted now to finally respond.To Ginger--you are so lucky not to be hurt and I am so sorry you had this traumatic experience. Aren't school bus drivers trained to watch out for bikes?I also feel terrible about the Tufts professor who died

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

HATS has been pretty dormant, but the Hanscom issue has revitalized it. Back in the dinosaur days, when I was a Select, we worked on a lot of traffic issues that went beyond HATS region and to the larger region of MAGIC. The Crosby’s Corner project was an outgrowth of first HATS and then the Rt.2

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

Regional collaboration-HATS- was formed, initially, to address safety and traffic issues in the towns of Bedford, Lexington, Lincoln and Concord. In the past, it was effective forum for sharing ideas and concerns and collaborating on possible solutions. We are not an island. As for Wayland, I

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

Kathy, thanks for your attempt to drive safely in the presence of bikes and pedestrians. It may be useful in the midst of this discussion to state what the rules of the road are in this situation. The detail is laid out in MA law, specifically the Acts of 2022, Chapter 358, An Act to Reduce

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

Speed bumps must meet certain criteria listed in the Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices, a publication of federal standards. But it’s not that complicated. Lots of towns in our region have installed them effectively. For example, Wayland has installed a series of them that calm

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

The bike rider / car driver quandry is just that. I recall a town in Italy - Ferrara - where all townsfolk seem to be bicyclists. Also Amsterdam. I think about those places when I’m driving patiently at 10 mph behind a biker on Baker Bridge Road which is treacherous for bicyclists. Yes, I do go

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

1. 'If we are to include bikes as legitimate and equal ...' That is settled, they already are. 2. '... , perhaps licensing is a good path to pursue' That strikes me as *whataboutism*. How does that address the safety of cyclists and pedestrians? On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 11:22 AM Sara Mattes

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

Speed bumps that do not meet established safety criteria are illegal.It’s complicated.There are no simple answers to this complex and regional issue.We ALL need to be more careful, including bike riders.If we are to include bikes as legitimate and equal partners on the roads, perhaps licensing is

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

Garrick, I've often wondered the same thing and a few things I have come up with include: * The pay isn't great, and far from commensurate with expected skills and experience * Often this is not a full time job for the driver, rather 1 of several jobs they have to earn a living * There is an

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

Hi Gail, BPAC and the RTC are discussing all of the above on a regular basis. I would encourage you to come to one of our meetings to learn more. Speed tables and other traffic calming measures such as the pedestrian island and lighted signs at the Lincoln Road/117 crossing are examples.

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/08/28/metro/bicyclist-dies-after-crash-with-ups-truck-newton/?p1=BGSearch_Overlay_Results Bicyclist killed in crash with UPS truck in Newton was beloved Tufts medical professor bostonglobe.com > On Aug 31, 2023, at 6:57 PM, Bijoy Misra wrote: > > In order to

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

The use of spreed bumps is limited by topography and sightline. Somerville g=has wide, straight streets, unlike Lincoln’s narrow , winding country roads. And, speed bumps maybe not be the best for bikes -- Sara Mattes > On Aug 31, 2023, at 10:49 PM, gail o'keefe wrote: > > Hi John and

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

Ginger was hit by a school bus. The problem is not limited to people cutting through. Let’s please stop pretending our safety problems are caused by “others”. On Thu, Aug 31, 2023 at 1:54 PM V Saleme wrote: > As a cyclist who resides in this town and accrues on average 250 miles a > week

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

In order to be killed, the automobile must be in speed to cause the impact. i was once hit by a garbage truck in Cambridge a long time ago. It was due to the speed delay between bike and truck when the traffic light went green. There was no bike path those days. On Thu, Aug 31, 2023 at 6:51 PM

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

Tufts I think  Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, August 31, 2023, 6:34 PM, Bijoy Misra wrote: There was news that a Brandeis professor died in a bike collision in Newton two days ago.Bijoy Misra On Thu, Aug 31, 2023 at 8:59 AM jsug--- via Lincoln wrote: Hi There, If you are

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

It was a tufts medical professor who died in Newton. My friend saw the accident. A UPS truck hit him. It’s awful, and no one feels okay about it. I don’t think the drivers are horrible drivers; it’s just very hard to manage narrow roads with no shoulder and severe curves, with cyclists. No one

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

There was news that a Brandeis professor died in a bike collision in Newton two days ago. Bijoy Misra On Thu, Aug 31, 2023 at 8:59 AM jsug--- via Lincoln wrote: > Hi There, > > If you are the cyclist who was nearly hit by the school van on Lincoln > Road this morning just before 8 am, and you

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

In addition to being distracted (texting, etc). drivers tend to not see even lighted and visible bikers because they’re aren’t looking for anything other than cars on the road. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo selective attention test youtube.com Jack jfu...@comcast.net 617 835

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

I've often wondered why school vans with precious cargo are careless! On Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 11:49 AM Bob Kupperstein wrote: > So glad to hear that you weren't hurt, Ginger. > > My experience riding here and surrounding towns is that few people seem to > respect the new state law requiring 4'

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

Here's a handful of ideas: Come to the next BPAC meeting on September 28 at 7:30pm on Zoom. Speak to your friends and neighbors about the need to slow down and focus only on driving when behind the wheel. Encourage your local

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

This is terrible. It should NOT be happening…but, I for one will do whatever I can to protect myself, including wearing that ugly vest. At this time, that is all I can do. We can come together, as a region, and discuss how we might be proactive, as communities. How can we turn outrage from

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

People, a SCHOOL BUS hit a cyclist in broad daylight. This is not about what anyone should be wearing but rather about the fact that driving entitlement is reaching epidemic proportions here in Lincoln and all across the country. Much like gun-violence, there is plenty of outrage and lots of

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

Sorry to hear about your incident Ginger, it’s becoming more and more difficult out there on the major roads of Lincoln with the behavior of the drivers. Rob On Thu, Aug 31, 2023 at 1:55 PM V Saleme wrote: > As a cyclist who resides in this town and accrues on average 250 miles a > week

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

I’m also a long time road cyclist, and I feel much more visible since I’ve added front (white) and rear (red) blinkers to my bike. Passing cars seem to give me much wider berth. It’s an extra step but seems very worthwhile. I also wear a day-glo green helmet. Visibility really does make a

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

As a cyclist who resides in this town and accrues on average 250 miles a week between trails and the road, I believe it’s important to devise a way of getting out of this echo chamber and speak to the broader group of people who, let’s face it, use this town as a cut through. They are the problem,

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

Let alone the Chairperson of Lincoln Bicycle Safety!?  If it weren’t Ginger this am, maybe a child!Paula Robinson617.981.1945On Aug 31, 2023, at 1:42 PM, Lucy Maulsby wrote:What the cyclist was wearing seems to me to be entirely beside the point.   Lucy Maulsby On Thu, Aug 31, 2023 at 1:34 PM

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

It certainly doesn’t hurt-and you never know what does or does not catch the eye of a driver when they are heading toward work, or to drop a kid off at school…or whatever. I put my vest on whenever I head out to walk on a road, regardless of weather, light conditions, or the time of day. I am

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

What the cyclist was wearing seems to me to be entirely beside the point. Lucy Maulsby On Thu, Aug 31, 2023 at 1:34 PM Bob Wolf wrote: > This is generally good advice. But at 8 am on a clear day on Lincoln Rd > ANY attentive driver can spot a cyclist no matter what they are wearing. > > On

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

Glad you are OK. Something similar happened to me and a friend jogging across a crosswalk to a driveway into Donelan’s. I don’t know what happened in your situation, but I think sometimes people are not fully paying attention or just make mistakes. It is an important reminder to all of us to stay

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

And I would strongly urge drivers to slow down, obey the law, and pay attention to what is in front of them at all times when behind the wheel of a large, powerful object capable of inflicting terrible injuries to walkers, cyclists,

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

This is generally good advice. But at 8 am on a clear day on Lincoln Rd ANY attentive driver can spot a cyclist no matter what they are wearing. > On Aug 31, 2023, at 1:21 PM, Sara Mattes wrote: > > I would strongly urge all walkers and bikers to wear some sort of neon/ > reflective safety

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

I would strongly urge all walkers and bikers to wear some sort of neon/ reflective safety vest. They are lightweight and cheap and they really help drivers see us. Dark clothing, esp at dusk or in mottled shade, makes us disappear. -- Sara Mattes > On Aug 31, 2023, at 12:47 PM, Lynne

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

Fascinating article! As a helmet and goggle wearing cyclist, I’m now going to be extra careful since some drivers might not recognize me as human!Lynne Smith5 Tabor Hill RoadLincoln, MA 01773781-258-1175Sent from my iPhoneOn 31 Aug 2023, at 11:24 a.m., Ginger Reiner wrote:Julianne,That was me. I

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

So glad to hear that you weren't hurt, Ginger. My experience riding here and surrounding towns is that few people seem to respect the new state law requiring 4' from riders and pedestrians when passing (if they're even aware of it, which I suspect most aren't). -Bob On Thu, Aug 31, 2023 at

Re: [LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

Julianne, That was me. I actually was hit by the school van in the interaction although I stayed upright and am not hurt. Thanks for reaching out and I’d love a witness statement. To the rest of LincolnTalk, I write this as a reply-all because people on bikes are sometimes viewed as “less human”

[LincolnTalk] To the cyclist who was almost hit on Lincoln Road by a School Van

Hi There, If you are the cyclist who was nearly hit by the school van on Lincoln Road this morning just before 8 am, and you were hoping to report this, I wanted to let you know I would be happy to provide witness statement if needed.  Best,juliannej...@aol.com-- The LincolnTalk mailing list.