On Tue, Jun 26, 2012, Eli Zaretskii wrote about Re: Linux HTML mail agent with
RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support:
In a nutshell, a paragraph is delimited by hard newlines (which could
be some sequence of characters such as CRLF, or something else,
depending on the platform
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:45:49 +0300
From: Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.il
Cc: Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com, shac...@shemesh.biz,
linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012, Eli Zaretskii wrote about Re: Linux HTML mail agent
with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz wrote:
On 06/25/2012 06:21 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Schachar, I before addressing the issue at hand, I would like to state
an observation. When I reply to your mail, all text is of the same
quote level. That is, there is a
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz wrote:
If you want your Hebrew email to appear as you have written it, you need
to send it in HTML.
I would like to see an example of Hebrew mail that you believe cannot
be represented in plain text, under the conditions that
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:28:13 +0300
From: Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com
Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
I never quoted any standard nor made any claim as to what the standard
says. I only asked for clarification. In any case I tried to get past
the issue of what designates the end of a
On 06/26/2012 11:34 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz wrote:
If you want your Hebrew email to appear as you have written it, you need
to send it in HTML.
I would like to see an example of Hebrew mail that you believe cannot
be
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 22:17:27 +0300
From: Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz
Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
I would like to see an example of Hebrew mail that you believe cannot
be represented in plain text, under the conditions that such a mail
could be represented in plain text had it
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Eli Zaretskii e...@gnu.org wrote:
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:28:13 +0300
From: Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com
Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
I never quoted any standard nor made any claim as to what the standard
says. I only asked for clarification. In any case
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz wrote:
On 06/26/2012 11:34 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz
wrote:
If you want your Hebrew email to appear as you have written it, you need
to send it in HTML.
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:51:01 +0300
From: Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com
Cc: shac...@shemesh.biz, linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Emacs does TRT with these two paragraphs.
What is TRT?
The Right Thing.
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On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 8:06 AM, Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz wrote:
I disagree completely. The embedding control characters are designed for,
well, embedding.
Correct. As plain text has no concept of a paragraph, using \n, \n\n,
\r\n, \r\n\r\n, or any other convention for a paragraph is
On 06/25/2012 01:42 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 8:06 AM, Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz wrote:
I disagree completely. The embedding control characters are designed for,
well, embedding.
Correct.
Good. But
As plain text has no concept of a paragraph,
Well, that really
Schachar, I before addressing the issue at hand, I would like to state
an observation. When I reply to your mail, all text is of the same
quote level. That is, there is a single gt at the beginning of each
line, whether it is a line that you wrote or a line that I wrote.
Obviously, I am replying
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 13:42:20 +0300
From: Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com
Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
[...] plain text has no concept of a paragraph [...]
That's not true. The UBA explicitly defines a paragraph as chunk of
text delimited by paragraph separator characters:
Paragraphs
On 06/25/2012 06:21 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Schachar, I before addressing the issue at hand, I would like to state
an observation. When I reply to your mail, all text is of the same
quote level. That is, there is a single gt at the beginning of each
line, whether it is a line that you wrote or
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:19:01 +0300
From: Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz
Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
\r\n, \r\n\r\n, or any other convention for a paragraph is arbitrary.
Technically true, but both irrelevant and misleading. Misleading because
the choice of \n or \r\n was arbitrary,
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:21:25 +0300
From: Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com
Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
So we have established that sections of text separated by newlines are
paragraphs. Let us return to the issue. In a plain text file, as
defined above, there does exist a method by which
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 20:02:48 +0300
From: Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz
Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Therefore there is no
need for HTML to send RTL emails, nor is there technical need for the
email client to guess.
Except there so no standard, de-facto or otherwise (as far as
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 08:06:14 +0300
From: Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz
Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
What the standard[1] suggests, but does not
require, is the use of the first strong directional character in the
paragraph.
You are wrong, it does require that. See below.
the
On 06/25/2012 08:13 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 20:02:48 +0300
From: Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz
Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Therefore there is no
need for HTML to send RTL emails, nor is there technical need for the
email client to guess.
Except there so no
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:00:07 +0300
From: Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz
CC: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
On 06/25/2012 08:13 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 20:02:48 +0300
From: Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz
Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Therefore there is no
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012, Shachar Shemesh wrote about Re: Linux HTML mail agent
with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support:
I disagree completely. The embedding control characters are designed
for, well, embedding. What the standard[1] suggests, but does not
require, is the use of the first
On 06/25/2012 09:56 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
Outlook employs a higher level protocol. It is all paragraphs are LTR,
unless the user presses CTRL+RIGHT SHIFT, in which case all paragraphs
are RTL. It is a valid, standard conforming protocol
Again, I think such an interpretation is against the
On 06/25/2012 11:22 PM, Nadav Har'El wrote:
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012, Shachar Shemesh wrote about Re: Linux HTML mail agent
with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support:
I disagree completely. The embedding control characters are designed
for, well, embedding. What the standard[1] suggests
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:22:03 +0300
From: Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.il
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012, Shachar Shemesh wrote about Re: Linux HTML mail agent
with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support:
I disagree completely. The embedding control characters are designed
for, well
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 04:12:01 +0300
From: Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz
CC: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
On 06/25/2012 09:56 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
Outlook employs a higher level protocol. It is all paragraphs are LTR,
unless the user presses CTRL+RIGHT SHIFT, in which case all
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 04:28:33 +0300
From: Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz
Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
no standard really specified what in a text file is a
paragraph.
And lucky for you that they don't. Even with the simple case of a plain
text file, a paragraph is defined
After having suffered with terrible outllook web mail for sending email at
work for a long time, the system is finally able to accept SMTP
connections. So I set out looking for a mail agent that has the following
properties:
- Ability to send HTML mail.
- Ability to set the Bidi base
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.com wrote:
After having suffered with terrible outllook web mail for sending email at
work for a long time, the system is finally able to accept SMTP connections.
I suggest Thunderbird, for the following reasons:
So I set out
On 06/24/2012 05:01 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.com wrote:
After having suffered with terrible outllook web mail for sending email at
work for a long time, the system is finally able to accept SMTP connections.
I suggest Thunderbird,
Thanks Shachar and Dotan,
Thinderbird with the bidiui extension seems to work great.
Dov
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.bizwrote:
On 06/24/2012 05:01 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:10:14 +0300
From: Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.com
- Ability to set the Bidi base direction explicitly of each paragraph.
Paragraph direction is determined by the first letter that has strong
directionality. If this is what you want, it should happen
On 06/24/2012 07:20 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:14:50 +0300
From: Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz
Cc: linux-il linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Thunderbird with the bidiui extension. Set the style to paragraph, and
the directionality buttons work per paragraph
זו, לדוגמא,
Actually, it would be very nice with a emacs-based mail agent that used
implicit email direction for composition, but encoded the result in
explicit html (based on the resolved directions) when sending the result.
Perhaps it may be done through org-mode. How to deal with incoming html
mail is a
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz wrote:
There is a standard way to specify paragraph directionality in emails. It is
done through HTML. There is a standard way in HTML to specify
directionality. Unless a recent proposed change to HTML5 is accepted, the
first
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 19:30:47 +0300
From: Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz
CC: dotanco...@gmail.com, linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
One of the paragraphs of this email was marked as RTL for no reason
other than a whim. Eli will not know which it was
Of course, I do.
On 06/24/2012 10:40 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz wrote:
There is a standard way to specify paragraph directionality in emails. It is
done through HTML. There is a standard way in HTML to specify
directionality. Unless a recent
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