Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research

2016-04-28 Thread Will Stevens
Haha. Ya, I don't envy OpenStack RM(s). That is not my version of fun. :) On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 3:05 PM, ilya wrote: > If you look at it objectively - while lack of Citrix's involvement to > create foundation - hurt the project, it also ensured that our code

Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research

2016-04-28 Thread ilya
Well summarized! On 4/28/16 9:38 AM, Ian Rae wrote: > The accounting is incorrect, these are just marketing claims. Much is > services or "attached" revenue. In the past some analysts have confused > the revenue of entire companies (Rackspace) with being OpenStack > revenue. Bottom line is, most

Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research

2016-04-28 Thread ilya
On 4/28/16 12:53 PM, Sebastien Goasguen wrote: > >> On Apr 28, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Sunando Bhattacharya >> wrote: >> >> I really don’t know on what basis we are saying that openstack doesn’t work… >> $3.4Bill of revenues !!! > > So I am of the opinion that “openstack works”

Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research

2016-04-28 Thread Sebastien Goasguen
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:03 PM, Steve Wilson wrote: > > I agree that CloudStack works and is great technology. However, OpenStack > won the marketing war because their foundation was set up to do so. All > attempts that Mark Hinkle and others made to pull together a

Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research

2016-04-28 Thread Sebastien Goasguen
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Sunando Bhattacharya wrote: > > I really don’t know on what basis we are saying that openstack doesn’t work… > $3.4Bill of revenues !!! So I am of the opinion that “openstack works” just because some friends at CERN have it working.… But

Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research

2016-04-28 Thread ilya
If you look at it objectively - while lack of Citrix's involvement to create foundation - hurt the project, it also ensured that our code base is less of a zoo - OpenStack has these days. My 2'cents, its much easier to work with a project that has relatively small committer base VS thousands of

Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research

2016-04-28 Thread Steve Wilson
I agree that CloudStack works and is great technology. However, OpenStack won the marketing war because their foundation was set up to do so. All attempts that Mark Hinkle and others made to pull together a real marketing alliance to promote CloudStack as an industry initiative seemed to run

Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research

2016-04-28 Thread Will Stevens
I don't want to come across as anti-OpenStack because I am not. We use some components of OpenStack. The problem I see is that everyone investing in OpenStack has to prove its value, which has resulted in extensive smoke and mirrors. Because of this many companies have invested heavily in

Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research

2016-04-28 Thread Yim, Philip
I'm new to the thread but does cloudstack solve this problem ? Philip On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Will Stevens > wrote: I would be curious to know how many billions of $ of consulting and operational costs were incurred to boost the

Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research

2016-04-28 Thread Will Stevens
I would be curious to know how many billions of $ of consulting and operational costs were incurred to boost the $3.4B of revenues. :) I wonder which number is bigger... You still can't upgrade an openstack cloud, so if you want to go to a new version, you have to build a new cloud and migrate

Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research

2016-04-28 Thread Sunando Bhattacharya
I really don’t know on what basis we are saying that openstack doesn’t work… $3.4Bill of revenues !!! Fact is openstack is production-grade and catching up fast on most counts with ACS, and actually ahead on some features like NFV. Lets call a spade a spade Sunando Bhattacharya M +91 97111

Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research

2016-04-28 Thread Giles Sirett
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Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research

2016-04-28 Thread Will Stevens
Openstack is just bitter because they still don't have a product that works and our product works just fine. Just goes to show that more money doesn't always solve the problem... :) All that money and almost no success stories. Kind of sad really... On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Madan