On Jan 26, 2014, at 00:39 , Sander Steffann san...@steffann.nl wrote:
Hi Owen,
Same question… Will people adjust their filters, (even if only for that
prefix)? All over the world? I think 'will adjust their filters for XYZ' is
highly optimistic, but let's hope it will work, otherwise the
But more important: which /10 is set aside for this? It is not listed on
https://www.arin.net/knowledge/ip_blocks.html
I'm not sure it has been determined yet, let alone announced.
According to https://www.arin.net/resources/request/ipv4_countdown.html
phase one it should have been
* Sander Steffann
But more important: which /10 is set aside for this? It is not listed
on https://www.arin.net/knowledge/ip_blocks.html
Probably 23.128/10:
arin||ipv4|23.128.0.0|4194304||reserved|
Tore
Hi,
Op 27 jan. 2014 om 10:49 heeft Tore Anderson t...@fud.no het volgende
geschreven:
* Sander Steffann
But more important: which /10 is set aside for this? It is not listed
on https://www.arin.net/knowledge/ip_blocks.html
Probably 23.128/10:
[...] particularly of policies defined by a handful of folks who bother to
participate in the ARIN public policy processes
I love this part.
I was told a billion times where and how to participate in the policy debate -
to the point where many people complain they are being told too many
- Original Message -
From: John R. Levine jo...@iecc.com
The customer continues to whine about performance. Our ISP says, ah, you
need our Preferred Thoughput Upgrade Innovation (PTUI), available at
modest extra cost. The extra cost, of course, it what it costs to buy
a /24 and get
On Jan 25, 2014, at 23:56 , Sander Steffann san...@steffann.nl wrote:
Hi Owen,
Op 26 jan. 2014, om 05:36 heeft Owen DeLong o...@delong.com het volgende
geschreven:
On Jan 25, 2014, at 13:59 , Sander Steffann san...@steffann.nl wrote:
Hi,
[…] But, when that happens ARIN will only
Hi Owen,
Same question… Will people adjust their filters, (even if only for that
prefix)? All over the world? I think 'will adjust their filters for XYZ' is
highly optimistic, but let's hope it will work, otherwise the ISPs in the
ARIN region will have a problem. (Or maybe not: existing
But more important: which /10 is set aside for this? It is not listed on
https://www.arin.net/knowledge/ip_blocks.html
100.64/10
http://tools.ietf.org/search/rfc6598
sander,
i suspect that, as multi-homing continues to grow and ipv4 space
fragments to be used in core-facing nat[64]-like things, a decade from
now we'll see the boundary move to the right.
randy
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On 26/01/2014, at 10:35 pm, Dave Bell m...@geordish.org wrote:
But more important: which /10 is set aside for this? It is not listed on
Hi,
On 26/01/2014, at 10:35 pm, Dave Bell m...@geordish.org wrote:
But more important: which /10 is set aside for this? It is not listed on
https://www.arin.net/knowledge/ip_blocks.html
100.64/10
http://tools.ietf.org/search/rfc6598
Correct me if I am wrong but this is the space
Hi Randy,
i suspect that, as multi-homing continues to grow and ipv4 space
fragments to be used in core-facing nat[64]-like things, a decade from
now we'll see the boundary move to the right.
Maybe, if the equipment can handle the number of routes. I actually see two
opposing things: the
I wonder what will change (if anything) when ARIN runs out of IPv4 space.
In routing, probably not much. The market in used IPv4 space will
come out from the shadows, and we'll see endless arguments between
buyers of IPv4 space and ARIN, when ARIN refuses the updates to the
address registry.
I
On Jan 26, 2014, at 11:45 AM, John Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote:
I wonder what will change (if anything) when ARIN runs out of IPv4 space.
The market in used IPv4 space will come out from the shadows,
It mostly has already done so in the APNIC and RIPE regions out of necessity.
and we'll see
and we'll see endless arguments between buyers of IPv4 space and ARIN,
when ARIN refuses the updates to the address registry.
This would be bad. I can think of few more effective ways of
destroying the RIR system than by refusing to update the address
registry.
I completely agree, but there
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 8:02 PM, John R. Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote:
I don't see ARIN recognizing bogus transfers in the registry -- if the
transfer policy wasn't followed, then no transfer occurred.
Well, maybe. My vision is that the ISP calls up their upstreams and/or
peers, some say OK,
I don't see ARIN recognizing bogus transfers in the registry -- if the
transfer policy wasn't followed, then no transfer occurred.
I expect the party that paid good money for the address space, and the
party who they paid, and their respective attorneys, will strenously
disagree with you, but
Sander Steffann wrote:
i suspect that, as multi-homing continues to grow and ipv4 space
fragments to be used in core-facing nat[64]-like things, a decade
from now we'll see the boundary move to the right.
Maybe, if the equipment can handle the number of routes. I actually
see two opposing
I don't see ARIN recognizing bogus transfers in the registry -- if the
transfer policy wasn't followed, then no transfer occurred.
do you share what you are smoking?
Yeah, its been a while since I had to get involved in this. We have a
customer with their own IPv4 allocation that wants us to announce a /27 for
them. Back in the day, it was /24 or larger or all bets were off. Is
that still the case now?
On 1/25/14, 13:17, Drew Linsalata wrote:
Yeah, its been a while since I had to get involved in this. We have a
customer with their own IPv4 allocation that wants us to announce a /27 for
them. Back in the day, it was /24 or larger or all bets were off. Is
that still the case now?
/24
Yes, a /27 is too small. You need at least a /24.
On Jan 25, 2014, at 9:17 PM, Drew Linsalata drew.linsal...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, its been a while since I had to get involved in this. We have a
customer with their own IPv4 allocation that wants us to announce a /27 for
them. Back in the
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Drew Linsalata
drew.linsal...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, its been a while since I had to get involved in this. We have a
customer with their own IPv4 allocation that wants us to announce a /27 for
them. Back in the day, it was /24 or larger or all bets were off.
On Sat, 25 Jan 2014, Drew Linsalata wrote:
Yeah, its been a while since I had to get involved in this. We have a
customer with their own IPv4 allocation that wants us to announce a /27 for
them. Back in the day, it was /24 or larger or all bets were off. Is
that still the case now?
Things
Hi,
Yeah, its been a while since I had to get involved in this. We have a
customer with their own IPv4 allocation that wants us to announce a /27 for
them. Back in the day, it was /24 or larger or all bets were off. Is
that still the case now?
This is still the case today.
I wonder what
(snip)
I doubt that anything /24 will ever be eligible as a portable
provider independent block. If within a provider, you can slice and
dice as you wish.
Jeff
Hi,
Op 25 jan. 2014, om 23:05 heeft Jeff Kell jeff-k...@utc.edu het volgende
geschreven:
(snip)
I doubt that anything /24 will ever be eligible as a portable
provider independent block. If within a provider, you can slice and
dice as you wish.
Sure, but the text I quoted is about ARIN
I would imagine this should be announced with the larger block owner.
On Jan 25, 2014 2:19 PM, Drew Linsalata drew.linsal...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, its been a while since I had to get involved in this. We have a
customer with their own IPv4 allocation that wants us to announce a /27 for
them.
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Sander Steffann san...@steffann.nl wrote:
Sure, but the text I quoted is about ARIN allocations, so ARIN - ISP. So
the /28 is not provider-independent. It *is* the provider... And yes: I
think this will become a mess in ARIN land :(
There aren't any /27 or
Hi Jimmy,
There aren't any /27 or /28 Allocations from ARIN to an ISP
A /28 is longer than the ARIN Minimum allocation block size of /22, and
longer than the minimum transfer size of a /24 block.
Now: yes. Soon: no. Read https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four10
Sander
On Jan 25, 2014, at 13:59 , Sander Steffann san...@steffann.nl wrote:
Hi,
Yeah, its been a while since I had to get involved in this. We have a
customer with their own IPv4 allocation that wants us to announce a /27 for
them. Back in the day, it was /24 or larger or all bets were off. Is
Hi Owen,
Op 26 jan. 2014, om 05:36 heeft Owen DeLong o...@delong.com het volgende
geschreven:
On Jan 25, 2014, at 13:59 , Sander Steffann san...@steffann.nl wrote:
Hi,
[…] But, when that happens ARIN will only have the 'Dedicated IPv4 block to
facilitate IPv6 Deployment' [1] left, and
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