On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Aaron Imbrock aimbr...@gmail.com wrote:
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--- On Mon, 1/12/09, Nathan Malynn ne...@nerdramblingz.com wrote:
From: Nathan Malynn ne...@nerdramblingz.com
Subject: Re:
To: Aaron Imbrock aimbr...@gmail.com
On Monday 12 January 2009 01:11:50 Aaron Imbrock wrote:
Stop
in the name of love
, drop, and roll?
-Original Message-
From: Aaron Imbrock [mailto:aimbr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:12 AM
To: NANOG@nanog.org
Subject:
Stop
Stop
Making sense?
Stop
the insanity.
(please)
Draggin my heart around.
-Original Message-
From: Aaron Imbrock [mailto:aimbr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:12 AM
To: NANOG@nanog.org
Subject:
Stop
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On 12-Jan-09, at 6:45 AM, Ray Sanders wrote:
Draggin my heart around.
-Original Message-
From: Aaron Imbrock [mailto:aimbr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:12 AM
To: NANOG@nanog.org
Subject:
Stop
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Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future.
around the world in 80 days...
Jay Murphy
IP Network Specialist
NM Department of Health
ITSD - IP Network Operations
Santa Fe, New Mexico 87502
Bus. Ph.: 505.827.2851
We move the information that moves your world.
-Original Message-
From: Ray Sanders
NANOG is too cool.
Rhyming with net engineers.
Poet don't know it.
Jay Murphy
IP Network Specialist
NM Department of Health
ITSD - IP Network Operations
Santa Fe, New Mexico 87502
Bus. Ph.: 505.827.2851
We move the information that moves your world.
-Original Message-
From:
The XO version:
XO is low cost
The cabinets had no power
Service was useless
Jeff
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Murphy, Jay, DOH
jay.mur...@state.nm.us wrote:
NANOG is too cool.
Rhyming with net engineers.
Poet don't know it.
Jay Murphy
IP Network Specialist
NM Department of Health
Customers thank me
I will not stoop much lower
Pay dirt for transit
-Original Message-
From: Murphy, Jay, DOH [mailto:jay.mur...@state.nm.us]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 09:41
To: neal rauhauser; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Cogent Haiku v2.0
NANOG is too cool.
Rhyming with net
good stuff
Jay Murphy
IP Network Specialist
NM Department of Health
ITSD - IP Network Operations
Santa Fe, New Mexico 87502
Bus. Ph.: 505.827.2851
We move the information that moves your world.
-Original Message-
From: Darryl Dunkin [mailto:ddun...@netos.net]
Sent: Monday,
I like the haiku! On a serious note, we are considering getting a
connection from Cogent. We currently have connections to att, Level
3 and TW Telecom. The low cost and high number of peer AS number's
seems appealing to us. Every carrier has its issues, so I don't know
what to make of the
Cisco 7k nodes
Cascading VIP card failures
Reload the router
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Darryl Dunkin ddun...@netos.net wrote:
Customers thank me
I will not stoop much lower
Pay dirt for transit
-Original Message-
From: Murphy, Jay, DOH [mailto:jay.mur...@state.nm.us]
Sent:
Net admins are bored
Nanog lists run wild
Useless spam blows up phone
:)
-r
-Original Message-
From: Jeffrey Lyon [mailto:jeffrey.l...@blacklotus.net]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:48 PM
To: Murphy, Jay, DOH
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0
The XO version:
XO is
Level 3 has gear.
Bleeding edge technology.
Get huge pipes right now.
Jay Murphy
IP Network Specialist
NM Department of Health
ITSD - IP Network Operations
Santa Fe, New Mexico 87502
Bus. Ph.: 505.827.2851
We move the information that moves your world.
-Original Message-
Cisco 7k nodes
Cascading VIP card failures
Reload the router
McColo shuts down
Spammers enjoy holiday
.. and then recommence
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Darryl Dunkin ddun...@netos.net
wrote:
Customers thank me
I will not stoop much lower
Pay dirt for transit
-Original
Mike,
Aside from the occasional peering wars i've never had or witnessed any
serious issues with Cogent. If you want some redundancy you might also
try some other similarly priced providers like WBS Connect, HE, or
BtN.
Best regards, Jeff
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Mike Bartz
NANOG has admins
They waste a lot of time now
Maybe paid to much
-Original Message-
From: Murphy, Jay, DOH [mailto:jay.mur...@state.nm.us]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 11:57 AM
To: Mike Bartz; neal rauhauser
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Cogent Haiku v2.0
Level 3 has gear.
Mike Bartz wrote:
I like the haiku! On a serious note, we are considering getting a
connection from Cogent. We currently have connections to att, Level
3 and TW Telecom. The low cost and high number of peer AS number's
seems appealing to us. Every carrier has its issues, so I don't know
Jeffrey Lyon wrote:
Mike,
Aside from the occasional peering wars i've never had or witnessed any
serious issues with Cogent. If you want some redundancy you might also
try some other similarly priced providers like WBS Connect, HE, or
BtN.
(resend due to subject filter)
Plus if you had
Jeffrey Lyon wrote:
Mike,
Aside from the occasional peering wars i've never had or witnessed any
serious issues with Cogent. If you want some redundancy you might also
try some other similarly priced providers like WBS Connect, HE, or
BtN.
I can second that. For the amount of money they
Jeffrey Lyon wrote:
Mike,
Aside from the occasional peering wars i've never had or witnessed any
serious issues with Cogent. If you want some redundancy you might also
try some other similarly priced providers like WBS Connect, HE, or
BtN.
Plus if you had direct connectivity to Cogent, their
On 2009-01-12, at 12:47, Zaid Ali wrote:
Hi, I am looking for a solution where I can tie a US number to a SIP
solution. Has anyone had experience with this and if so can you make
some recommendations?
I've used broadvoice before for personal telephony, and they were
competent and
Adam Young wrote:
I wouldn't take my word for it but truthfully, you get what you pay for.
Given you have other, more reliable transit, adding Cogent may be ok.
I wouldn't rely on it for anything serious though.
That has not been my experience. Peering wars have been an issue, but
aside from
I'm not entirely certain what is going on but has anyone noticed some
strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24?
I received a hijack notice that my AS (AS11708) was announcing the above
IP range. I verified that I was not when I started noticing some
strange announcements for that range.
So, you're essentially getting paid peering from Cogent then ?
Joe McGuckin
ViaNet Communications
j...@via.net
650-207-0372 cell
650-213-1302 office
650-969-2124 fax
On Jan 12, 2009, at 10:17 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
Jeffrey Lyon wrote:
Mike,
Aside from the occasional peering wars i've
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:40:42PM -0600, Michienne Dixon wrote:
I'm not entirely certain what is going on but has anyone noticed some
strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24?
I received a hijack notice that my AS (AS11708) was announcing the above
IP range. I verified that I was not
Same here.. got a notice this morning and while it's false, I still have
no response from Randy neither on this matter...
If they are going to involve our AS numbers and trigger alarms it would
be nice to notify us first... especially on something as major as a
prefix hijacking (potentially)
At some point 3130 announced these prefixes, and is now prepending other
ASes to them. Pretty Good BGP (and hence the IAR) sees them as prefix
hijacks. If you'd like to see the entire list of prefixes, check out:
http://iar.cs.unm.edu/search.php and enter in 3130 as the Victim AS
Josh
On Mon,
On 1/12/09, Jim Shankland na...@shankland.org wrote:
Adam Young wrote:
I wouldn't take my word for it but truthfully, you get what you pay for.
Given you have other, more reliable transit, adding Cogent may be ok.
I wouldn't rely on it for anything serious though.
That has not been my
We peer with Cogent. They are very competitive in terms of pricing.
To be honest, Cogent has been pretty good to us. As long as you have a
2nd peer (which it sounds like you do) for backup I'd say they're a
pretty safe bet.
The only problem I've had with Cogent is that they're still not ready
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:52:17 -0500
From: Paul Stewart pstew...@nexicomgroup.net
Same here.. got a notice this morning and while it's false, I still have
no response from Randy neither on this matter...
If they are going to involve our AS numbers and trigger alarms it would
be nice to
The IAR was the source of my notice as well and is what started me down
this path of cat herding.
I would think that it would only be polite to notify people about what
is going on so that other people do not waste their time looking for
phantom issues.
-
Michienne Dixon
Network Administrator
MSA Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:48:42 +
MSA From: Majdi S. Abbas
MSA More seriously, this is indeed reachability research. Try emailing
MSA the AS 3130 contacts although I'd imagine Randy will see this.
Why not do this in a lab instead?
;-)
Eddy
--
Everquick Internet -
I've used broadvoice before for personal telephony, and they were
competent and asterisk-friendly, and seemed to have DIDs in many US
LCAs. http://broadvoice.com
Just to throw another name into the arena http://voicepulse.com/
Pros:
SIP and IAX termination
Many US NPP/NXX exchanges and 800
Absolutely - according to their website No real or production prefixes
or data packets are being harmed in this experiment. If you become aware
that this experiment causes any actual real operational problem, please
write to us immediately.
I have asked them to have some courtesy next time
joe mcguckin wrote:
So, you're essentially getting paid peering from Cogent then ?
I guess you could do that. Normally I'd just throw it in the mix with
the rest and let BGP figure it out if there's another depeering.
~Seth
I once had a legitimate difficulty and posted to this list as a
direct result. As I was moderated at the time, my post was denied
with the provided reason that it was not appropriate for this
list. An attempt to identify the source ISP of a troublesome IP
was not appropriate but the below (and
On Jan 12, 2009, at 2:47 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
On Jan 12, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
Jeffrey Lyon wrote:
Mike,
Aside from the occasional peering wars i've never had or witnessed
any
serious issues with Cogent. If you want some redundancy you might
also
try some other
Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
On Jan 12, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
Jeffrey Lyon wrote:
Mike,
Aside from the occasional peering wars i've never had or witnessed any
serious issues with Cogent. If you want some redundancy you might also
try some other similarly priced providers like
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009, Reese wrote:
I once had a legitimate difficulty and posted to this list as a
direct result. As I was moderated at the time, my post was denied
with the provided reason that it was not appropriate for this
list. An attempt to identify the source ISP of a troublesome IP
was
My apologizes for jumping the gun.
-
Michienne Dixon
Network Administrator
liNKCity
312 Armour Rd.
North Kansas City, MO 64116
www.linkcity.org
(816) 412-7990
-Original Message-
From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:42 PM
To: Paul Stewart
Cc: Majdi
Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
On Jan 12, 2009, at 1:58 PM, Soucy, Ray wrote:
We peer with Cogent. They are very competitive in terms of pricing.
To be honest, Cogent has been pretty good to us. As long as you have a
2nd peer (which it sounds like you do) for backup I'd say they're a
pretty safe
Hi everyone
The Mailing List Committee would like to remind everyone that threads
of this sort are not operationally relevant and go against the spirit
of the AUP [1]. Haikus, one line jokes, and me too replies simply do
not provide enough information for each of NANOG's 10,000 subscribers
Florian Weimer wrote:
I think this is over the line. You can't put other people's IDs into
routing data on production networks. (Well, technically you can,
obviously, but you shouldn't.)
Actually, the placement of the ASN is exactly what they need to do the
test, as it is treated as a
On 2009-01-12, at 15:39, Florian Weimer wrote:
So does academic mean unethical these days?
I think this is over the line. You can't put other people's IDs into
routing data on production networks. (Well, technically you can,
obviously, but you shouldn't.)
The AS_PATH attribute is a
On Jan 12, 2009, at 4:12 PM, Joe Abley wrote:
On 2009-01-12, at 15:39, Florian Weimer wrote:
So does academic mean unethical these days?
I think this is over the line. You can't put other people's IDs into
routing data on production networks. (Well, technically you can,
obviously, but you
* Jack Bates:
Florian Weimer wrote:
I think this is over the line. You can't put other people's IDs into
routing data on production networks. (Well, technically you can,
obviously, but you shouldn't.)
Actually, the placement of the ASN is exactly what they need to do the
test, as it is
If this were not Randy doing a research project, but, say, Cogent
prepending the ASN of $LATEST_DEPEERED_NETWORK on announcements to
Verio, how different would the tone of this thread have been?
yep, tools can be used for both good and bad.
randy
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
On 09.01.13 05:32, Michienne Dixon wrote:
guy's gotta sleep some time. it's 04:40 here.
My apologizes for jumping the gun.
i demand a full refund! :)
but that's about the best use for guns i can think of.
randy
Might
Might be helpful to update the WHOIS data:
arin's good folk say it will be updated in tonight's (stateside night) run.
randy
Does anyone have any opinion on bandwidth.com as a SIP trunk provider by any
chance?
-
Andrey Gordon [andrey.gor...@gmail.com]
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009, Soucy, Ray wrote:
Does anyone know of any software offerings to track your fiber plant
(inside and outdoor) besides the OptiCon Systems offering (formerly
Corning)?
Mapcom came in awhile back to give us a presentation on their platform.
It looked decent, but we ended up
On 2009-01-12, at 16:16, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
People have been doing it forever. However, it has been considered
sketchy at best.
This all seems highly subjective. Considered that way by some, sure
(including you, it seems).
In my experience prepending someone else's AS to a
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 04:51:36PM -0500, Joe Abley wrote:
[snip]
In my experience prepending someone else's AS to a prefix has only
been useful operationally only as a short-term, emergency measure
(e.g. when trying to avoid a black-hole between two remote ASes,
neither of whom shows
In a message written on Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 04:51:36PM -0500, Joe Abley wrote:
Randy's application, and Lorenzo's before him also seem like short-
term applications designed to explore answering operational questions.
Just because something is generally not used, or even if it's only
] part of the experiment is to measure the difference between the amount
] of nanog mail lorenzo drew in 2005 by pre-announcing with the amount we
] get in 2009 while not pre-announcing. :)
This statement is an admission that he set out to annoy people,
annoy them enough they would complain on
snip
] part of the experiment is to measure the difference between the amount
] of nanog mail lorenzo drew in 2005 by pre-announcing with the amount we
] get in 2009 while not pre-announcing. :)
This statement is an admission that he set out to annoy people,
annoy them enough they would
For us, it was annoying - we look for prefix hijackings or what appear
to be. In this case it was a false alarm but one that consumed NOC
resources to troubleshoot and resolve... later to find out it was an
academic test and nothing was really going on.
Paul
-Original Message-
From:
On 09.01.13 07:42, Paul Stewart wrote:
For us, it was annoying - we look for prefix hijackings or what appear
to be.
i think herein lies the rub. it is not prefix hijacking and in no way
should it appear that way to you. i suggest tuning your detectors. i
am told that path poisoning is
The only exception I took with this morning's exercise is that had I
known that Mr. Bush was doing legitimate testing I would have allocated
my time differently.
I would consider this analogous to a customer testing their home alarm
system and not letting the alarm company know about the test.
Hi Randy (and the cast of characters on this thread),
Could you please put in a lightning talk for this experiment? It would be
great to hear more about this in .DR. We're accepting submissions now for
lightning talks on Monday the 26th of January. http://www.nanogpc.org is
the best place.
But isn't this method kind of related to how an network from the
Mediterranean/Mid-east went about blocking what they felt was
undesirable/offensive content from entering their network?
-
Michienne Dixon
Network Administrator
liNKCity
312 Armour Rd.
North Kansas City, MO 64116
Patrick,
I'd contend that using Cogent is a good way to reduce your cost of
doing business while maintaining an acceptable level of service, not
to necessarily improve reach. If your network absolutely must have the
best routes you may be better off adding some other providers
regardless.
Best
Could you please put in a lightning talk for this experiment? It would
be great to hear more about this in .DR. We're accepting submissions now
for lightning talks on Monday the 26th of January.
a - i will not be in dr. i really wanted to support the dr meeting,
but it's hard to justify
On Jan 12, 2009, at 5:55 PM, Michienne Dixon wrote:
But isn't this method kind of related to how an network from the
Mediterranean/Mid-east went about blocking what they felt was
undesirable/offensive content from entering their network?
No.
--
TTFN,
patrick
This was a test using unassigned IP block, unless I'm reading it wrong. If a
noc alerted on this it should have still be a low priority issue. I don't see
any issues with the way this was carried out at all.
-jim
--Original Message--
From: Michienne Dixon
To: NANOG list
Subject: RE:
I sit corrected. I thought they had started announcing someone else's
AS and network range.
-
Michienne Dixon
Network Administrator
liNKCity
312 Armour Rd.
North Kansas City, MO 64116
www.linkcity.org
(816) 412-7990
-Original Message-
From: Patrick W. Gilmore
Fair enough. Unfortunate, and I'll miss you in .DR, but understood.
Now that doesn't mean other operators can't put in a lightning talk about
the impact or 'event' this triggered in their own NOC environments along
with what they recommend operators do to reduce the spun cycles G
Cheers, -ren
snip
Now that doesn't mean other operators can't put in a lightning talk
about the impact or 'event' this triggered in their own NOC environments
along with what they recommend operators do to reduce the spun cycles
G
snip
Easy - Refer all anomalies that do not the result of a direct outage to
The alerts we got were because our AS number was showing up somewhere
else in the world. Whether it's legit IP space or not - it still
warrants investigation on a high priority from my perspective.
I have nothing against Randy or anyone else involved with this project
.. to be quite honest I'd
In a message written on Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 08:20:28AM +0900, Randy Bush wrote:
of course, we're sorry we set off folk's broken alarm systems :-) [
sense of humor required, leo ]
Ah, I get the smiley this time. That's the indication you're not
serious about the sentence you just wrote! Ah
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Leo Bicknell bickn...@ufp.org wrote:
You really should make some friends Randy.
He is, on Second Life.
Seriously though... I've not seen any discussion of the application of
allowas-in, a valid neighbor configuration under certain
topologies/scenarios, as
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