Re: GoDaddy DNS

2014-01-25 Thread Randy Bush
I should be clear that there are no bangs (!) in dns. the dns is 8-bit clean. bangs, dots (not as separators), blanks, etc. are all valid. some applications may have trouble with use of some of these :) randy

Re: GoDaddy DNS

2014-01-25 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 2:39 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: I should be clear that there are no bangs (!) in dns. the dns is 8-bit clean. bangs, dots (not as separators), blanks, etc. are all valid. some applications may have trouble with use of some of these :) Not in the

Re: GoDaddy DNS

2014-01-25 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 03:20:07AM -0600, Jimmy Hess wrote: The 32 bits will be interpreted as the bits of an IPv4 address, which are always 4 numeric values (0 to 255) separated by dots. Well, that's how they're listed in master files, anyway; that's the only constraint RFC 1035 makes

Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-01-25 Thread Sebastian Spies
Hi there, as 2-byte ASNs are close to depletion (see NRO announcement this week), we have come across a topic, that might influence the adoption of 4-byte ASNs. First of all, we have no data or experience about 4-byte ASN adoption and are therefore unable to evaluate, if we should rush for the

Re: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-01-25 Thread Rubens Kuhl
What happens, if the IXP uses a 4-byte ASN? RFC5668 (4-Octet AS Specific BGP Extended Community) defines Global Admin,4bytes:Local Admin, 2bytes. I have been asking some IXP operators, about their practice and their reply was 4-byte ASNs are supported by our RS. What's your experience? Did

Re: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-01-25 Thread Job Snijders
Dear Sebastian, On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 02:56:16PM +0100, Sebastian Spies wrote: So here's the thing: IXPs usually implement N:M filtering based on standard community strings. As standard BGP communities support only 4 bytes, this only works for IXPs with 2-byte ASNs and peers with 2-byte

Re: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-01-25 Thread Bryan Socha
I have over 100,000 servers located in routing diverse datacenters with 4byte ASN numbers and have not had 1 problem or complaint related to the ASN for not able to communicate with the datacenter. The first 1 did make me really nervous for all of the reasons already mentioned but turned out to

Re: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-01-25 Thread Job Snijders
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 10:04:30AM -0500, Bryan Socha wrote: I have over 100,000 servers located in routing diverse datacenters with 4byte ASN numbers and have not had 1 problem or complaint related to the ASN for not able to communicate with the datacenter. The first 1 did make me really

Re: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-01-25 Thread Bryan Socha
Re-reading, I was thinking of someone connecting to an IXP, not a new IXP needing a 2Byte.This is an interesting situation and you are correct, my comment was off topic. *Bryan Socha* Network Engineer 646.450.0472 | *br...@serverstack.com br...@serverstack.com* *ServerStack* | Scale Big

Re: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-01-25 Thread Sebastian Spies
Am 25.01.2014 16:38, schrieb Bryan Socha: Re-reading, I was thinking of someone connecting to an IXP, not a new IXP needing a 2Byte.This is an interesting situation and you are correct, my comment was off topic. Sorry for not mentioning the beef: Extended Communities effectively leave 6

Re: Opensource tools for inventory and troubleticketing

2014-01-25 Thread Vireak Ouk
We decided against RT and use Redmine for tickets instead. We find Redmine to be much more user-friendly. On Jan 25, 2014 8:14 AM, Franck Martin fmar...@linkedin.com wrote: On Jan 24, 2014, at 1:37 AM, Octavio Alfageme palae...@palaemon.es wrote: Hello everyone, I work for a small

Re: OSPF Costs Formula that include delay.

2014-01-25 Thread Mark Tinka
On Friday, January 24, 2014 10:36:48 PM Owen DeLong wrote: Of course this all fails miserably if you are using anything like MPLS underneath your OSPF. Specifically, fails miserably if you use RSVP-TE to build your MPLS backbone. LDP follows IGP cost (has to be manually enabled in Junos),

Re: OSPF Costs Formula that include delay.

2014-01-25 Thread Mark Tinka
On Friday, January 24, 2014 10:59:19 PM Owen DeLong wrote: I wasn’t attempting to promote or discourage use of MPLS. I was merely endeavoring to point out that in an MPLS world, OSPF costs are not how you want to manage your traffic. Again, only an issue when using RSVP-TE. I'd recommend

opensource tools for IP DNS management [was: Opensource tools for inventory and troubleticketing]

2014-01-25 Thread Miles Fidelman
Along related lines: Anybody have any suggestions for good opensource tools for managing blocks of IP addresses, and domain name assignments - ideally with hooks for updating nameservers and registry databases? Last time I looked everyone was still using either spreadsheets or high-priced

Re: opensource tools for IP DNS management [was: Opensource tools for inventory and troubleticketing]

2014-01-25 Thread Mike Hale
I've used IPPlan in the past to keep track of both internal and external assignments, and it worked really well. Super simple to use and setup. It's a bit of a dated project, but it'll still work pretty well. I also just saw this: http://phpipam.net/ It looks pretty slick. Haven't used it

Re: OSPF Costs Formula that include delay.

2014-01-25 Thread Mark Tinka
On Saturday, January 25, 2014 08:10:54 AM Graham Beneke wrote: The auto-cost capability in some vendors devices seems to have left many people ignoring the link metrics within their IGP. From what I recall in the standards - bandwidth is one possible link metric but certainly not the only

Re: opensource tools for IP DNS management [was: Opensource tools for inventory and troubleticketing]

2014-01-25 Thread Mark Seiden
i am aware of http://www.stanford.edu/group/networking/netdb which is used widely at stanford and few other places. it’s going through some improvements, according to my reading of the list. tilburg university appears to be adopting it. not sure if it’s suitable mostly for an ISP. it

Re: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-01-25 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 25/01/2014 15:48, Sebastian Spies wrote: To make things worse: even if the IXPs ASN is 2-byte, I would assume, that RS implementors chose to interpret extended community strings as always being in the format 4-byte:2-byte (see RFC5668). some ixp operators (e.g. me) are rather enthusiastic

Re: opensource tools for IP DNS management [was: Opensource tools for inventory and troubleticketing]

2014-01-25 Thread Alexander Merniy
Try this: http://nocproject.org On 25 Jan 2014, at 23:25, Mark Seiden m...@seiden.com wrote: i am aware of http://www.stanford.edu/group/networking/netdb which is used widely at stanford and few other places. it’s going through some improvements, according to my reading of the list.

Re: OSPF Costs Formula that include delay.

2014-01-25 Thread Jeff Tantsura
A path to a destination must be loop free, irrespectively. So it is not a combination of multiple but rather a list of loop free paths to a destination where any other metrics are used as tie-breakers. Another story - how do you get all that state distributed, inter-area cases, how do you make

BCP38.info

2014-01-25 Thread Jay Ashworth
Well, coming up with a Mediawiki registration protocol that's hard to spam is apparently more difficult than I'd thought. For the moment, anyone who wants to contribute to the wiki, and to the expanded deployment of BCP38, is invited to toss a note to moderator [at] bcp38.info with a username,

RE: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-01-25 Thread Jakob Heitz
I would support that. http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities-03 How would you modify it? To me, that draft looks hugely complicated, like everything you could possibly think of was thrown in. I would support a simplified version (and be able to code it without bugs) if it

Will a single /27 get fully routed these days?

2014-01-25 Thread Drew Linsalata
Yeah, its been a while since I had to get involved in this. We have a customer with their own IPv4 allocation that wants us to announce a /27 for them. Back in the day, it was /24 or larger or all bets were off. Is that still the case now?

Re: Will a single /27 get fully routed these days?

2014-01-25 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 1/25/14, 13:17, Drew Linsalata wrote: Yeah, its been a while since I had to get involved in this. We have a customer with their own IPv4 allocation that wants us to announce a /27 for them. Back in the day, it was /24 or larger or all bets were off. Is that still the case now? /24

Re: Will a single /27 get fully routed these days?

2014-01-25 Thread Laszlo Hanyecz
Yes, a /27 is too small. You need at least a /24. On Jan 25, 2014, at 9:17 PM, Drew Linsalata drew.linsal...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, its been a while since I had to get involved in this. We have a customer with their own IPv4 allocation that wants us to announce a /27 for them. Back in the

Re: Will a single /27 get fully routed these days?

2014-01-25 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Drew Linsalata drew.linsal...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, its been a while since I had to get involved in this. We have a customer with their own IPv4 allocation that wants us to announce a /27 for them. Back in the day, it was /24 or larger or all bets were off.

Re: Will a single /27 get fully routed these days?

2014-01-25 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Sat, 25 Jan 2014, Drew Linsalata wrote: Yeah, its been a while since I had to get involved in this. We have a customer with their own IPv4 allocation that wants us to announce a /27 for them. Back in the day, it was /24 or larger or all bets were off. Is that still the case now? Things

Re: Will a single /27 get fully routed these days?

2014-01-25 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi, Yeah, its been a while since I had to get involved in this. We have a customer with their own IPv4 allocation that wants us to announce a /27 for them. Back in the day, it was /24 or larger or all bets were off. Is that still the case now? This is still the case today. I wonder what

Re: Will a single /27 get fully routed these days?

2014-01-25 Thread Jeff Kell
(snip) I doubt that anything /24 will ever be eligible as a portable provider independent block. If within a provider, you can slice and dice as you wish. Jeff

Re: Will a single /27 get fully routed these days?

2014-01-25 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi, Op 25 jan. 2014, om 23:05 heeft Jeff Kell jeff-k...@utc.edu het volgende geschreven: (snip) I doubt that anything /24 will ever be eligible as a portable provider independent block. If within a provider, you can slice and dice as you wish. Sure, but the text I quoted is about ARIN

Re: Will a single /27 get fully routed these days?

2014-01-25 Thread Phil Fagan
I would imagine this should be announced with the larger block owner. On Jan 25, 2014 2:19 PM, Drew Linsalata drew.linsal...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, its been a while since I had to get involved in this. We have a customer with their own IPv4 allocation that wants us to announce a /27 for them.

Re: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-01-25 Thread Randy Bush
http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities-03 To me, that draft looks hugely complicated, like everything you could possibly think of was thrown in. aol do we have a chat with robert or push an alternative so that the wg is pushed to compromise? randy

Re: Will a single /27 get fully routed these days?

2014-01-25 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Sander Steffann san...@steffann.nl wrote: Sure, but the text I quoted is about ARIN allocations, so ARIN - ISP. So the /28 is not provider-independent. It *is* the provider... And yes: I think this will become a mess in ARIN land :( There aren't any /27 or

Re: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-01-25 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 25/01/2014 22:50, Randy Bush wrote: do we have a chat with robert or push an alternative so that the wg is pushed to compromise? i get the impression that Robert realises that the current draft is unworkably complicated. Nick

Re: Will a single /27 get fully routed these days?

2014-01-25 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi Jimmy, There aren't any /27 or /28 Allocations from ARIN to an ISP A /28 is longer than the ARIN Minimum allocation block size of /22, and longer than the minimum transfer size of a /24 block. Now: yes. Soon: no. Read https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four10 Sander

Re: BCP38.info

2014-01-25 Thread Chris Grundemann
Perhaps instead of trying to do this as a new independent activity (with all of the difficulties that entails), the community would be better served by documenting this information as a BCOP or two or three??? http://bcop.nanog.org/ $0.02 ~Chris On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 4:08 AM, Jay

Re: BCP38.info

2014-01-25 Thread Tony Tauber
Good stuff on this topic assembled by Barry Greene here: http://confluence.senki.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=1474569 Tony On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Chris Grundemann cgrundem...@gmail.comwrote: Perhaps instead of trying to do this as a new independent activity (with all of the

Re: Will a single /27 get fully routed these days?

2014-01-25 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jan 25, 2014, at 13:59 , Sander Steffann san...@steffann.nl wrote: Hi, Yeah, its been a while since I had to get involved in this. We have a customer with their own IPv4 allocation that wants us to announce a /27 for them. Back in the day, it was /24 or larger or all bets were off. Is

Re: Will a single /27 get fully routed these days?

2014-01-25 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi Owen, Op 26 jan. 2014, om 05:36 heeft Owen DeLong o...@delong.com het volgende geschreven: On Jan 25, 2014, at 13:59 , Sander Steffann san...@steffann.nl wrote: Hi, […] But, when that happens ARIN will only have the 'Dedicated IPv4 block to facilitate IPv6 Deployment' [1] left, and