Tom Brinkman wrote:
Yes, packet writing is the only process that enables it.
There's more to it than just a patch for the Linux kernel. As the
article states, it has to be supported by hardware also and does
use the UDF file system. This project had been around quite a
while. It's already
On Thursday 30 October 2003 04:37 am, John Richard Smith wrote:
Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96R RAW/R16 RAW/R96R
compare to yours: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R16
RAW/R96P RAW/R96R
Looks like mine is missing something.
I can track at once and disc at once, but packet
On Wednesday 29 October 2003 09:50 pm, Eric Huff wrote:
Hopefully packet writing won't dry up just because of this
latest
deal. I can see where it would be very useful to some,
specially in an office environment.
Wouldn't it be possible to enable packet writing for good
devices,
Tom Brinkman wrote:
On Thursday 30 October 2003 04:37 am, John Richard Smith wrote:
Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96R RAW/R16 RAW/R96R
compare to yours: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R16
RAW/R96P RAW/R96R
For packet writing there's 3 ingredients, kernel support for
Schwartz Avi wrote:
Anne,
Your comment was not about me, right?
Now let me ask you a question. If Microsoft had released a new version
of Windows that so happened to destroy CD drives, would you be as
generous as you are to Mandrake or would you scream from the top of your
lungs for
Franki wrote:
The fault is LG's, they used a command that is sposed to clear the
drives buffer on burners to instead be interpreted by their CD rom as
upload firmware, thereby wiping the drives firmware.
Their drives are NOT ATAPI drives as they do not support he ATAPI
standard, therefore
John Richard Smith wrote:
Which is why we need a TWIKI to tell us which hardware conforms to
minimum standards, and which hardware does not, and may cause, or be,
harmed . As a newbie we cannot be expected to know the difference. It is
all too damn easy to buy the wrong equipement.
John
Franki wrote:
John Richard Smith wrote:
Which is why we need a TWIKI to tell us which hardware conforms to
minimum standards, and which hardware does not, and may cause, or be,
harmed . As a newbie we cannot be expected to know the difference. It
is all too damn easy to buy the wrong
Franki wrote:
[snip]
The fault is LG's, they used a command that is sposed to clear the
drives buffer on burners to instead be interpreted by
their CD rom as upload firmware, thereby wiping the drives firmware.
Their drives are NOT ATAPI drives as they do not support he ATAPI
standard,
robin wrote:
Franki wrote:
[snip]
The fault is LG's, they used a command that is sposed to clear the
drives buffer on burners to instead be interpreted by
their CD rom as upload firmware, thereby wiping the drives
firmware.
Their drives are NOT ATAPI drives as they do not support he ATAPI
Franki wrote:
[snip]
And your analogy of the school, if the IT guy didn't test it on a few
systems before rollout, the he SHOULD be looking for a new job.
A valid point.
Sir Robin
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:07:40 +0200
robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
I guess now they'll
have to add a little bomb icon for hardware that blows up when used
with Mandrake ;-)
Hows this:
http://www.orderinchaos.org/bomb.png
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On Wednesday 29 October 2003 07:05 am, Bryan Phinney wrote:
On Wednesday 29 October 2003 07:30 am, robin wrote:
An analogy is website design. I write, or at
least try to write, standards-compliant HTML/CSS. If it comes out
fine in Mozilla, I can be pretty damn sure it'll look OK in Opera
On Wednesday 29 Oct 2003 4:36 pm, aronsmith wrote:
enormous snip
Look at it like you buy a yugo pickup then when you load it up the
tires pop Who's fault is it
Friend, if I were paying by the minute to download, you would be right
up there with Steve Ballmer. PLEASE snip
Anne
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Bryan Phinney wrote:
On Wednesday 29 October 2003 07:30 am, robin wrote:
An analogy is website design. I write, or at
least try to write, standards-compliant HTML/CSS. If it comes out fine
in Mozilla, I can be pretty damn sure it'll look OK in Opera or
Konqueror. I also know that there is a
On Wednesday 29 October 2003 12:53 pm, robin wrote:
Of course, in your view, you test on software that is available for free.
So, when IE becomes non-standalone with the next version and the only
way to obtain the newest version is to purchase the entire Windows OS for
$$$, is your view
Bryan Phinney wrote:
On Wednesday 29 October 2003 12:53 pm, robin wrote:
[snip]
I already mentioned that LG are culpable. As for the responsibility of
the user, it is not fair to the user to expect him or her to retest
hardware that has worked successfully with previous versions of Linux.
?
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:36:10 +0200
robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
And if someone doesn't want a user-friendly Linux, I say, let them use
Debian. But as I said, this isn't the issue here.
http://lwn.net/Articles/49967/
I think you should have used a better example ;-)
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On Wednesday 29 October 2003 01:36 pm, robin wrote:
Bryan Phinney wrote:
If the user is not prepared to accept the responsibility,
they should wait for those who are. Trying to stay on the
bleeding edge and expecting no problems is simply asinine and
stupid and there is no one capable
On Wednesday 29 October 2003 02:02 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:
On Wednesday 29 October 2003 01:36 pm, robin wrote:
Bryan Phinney wrote:
If the user is not prepared to accept the responsibility,
they should wait for those who are. Trying to stay on the
bleeding edge and expecting no
Tom Brinkman wrote:
On Wednesday 29 October 2003 01:36 pm, robin wrote:
Bryan Phinney wrote:
If the user is not prepared to accept the responsibility,
they should wait for those who are. Trying to stay on the
bleeding edge and expecting no problems is simply asinine and
stupid and there is no
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:48:17 +
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday 29 Oct 2003 4:36 pm, aronsmith wrote:
enormous snip
Look at it like you buy a yugo pickup then when you load it up the
tires pop Who's fault is it
Friend, if I were paying by the minute to download,
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:32:07 +0200
robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
I think you're being a little unfair to the people who bought LG - how
were they to know it was junk hardware?
Cuz it cost = 20 dollars ;-)
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Tom Brinkman wrote:
On Wednesday 29 October 2003 02:02 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:
The patch in question wasn't 'Bleeding edge' or experimental
(alpha). It simply enabled packet writing to CD drives. A feature
now disabled in the 'fix' (kernel 2.4.22-21mdk) already
available, and various floppy
On Wednesday 29 October 2003 02:30 pm, HaywireMac wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:32:07 +0200
robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
I think you're being a little unfair to the people who bought LG - how
were they to know it was junk hardware?
Cuz it cost = 20 dollars ;-)
Ah, but they are not
On Wednesday 29 October 2003 12:30 pm, robin wrote:
snip
An analogy is
website design. I write, or at least try to write,
standards-compliant HTML/CSS. If it comes out fine in Mozilla,
I can be pretty damn sure it'll look OK in Opera or Konqueror.
I also know that there is a risk that
HaywireMac said:
how were they to know it was junk hardware?
Cuz it cost = 20 dollars ;-)
Since when was price indicative of quality?
Compare price and quality in the software market (specifically desktop OS)
Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft?
Go to
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:40:34 -0600
Dennis Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
Ah, but they are not going to know that if the drive comes installed
in a dell or compaq etc, All they know is that the drive worked before
and now it doesn't. I on the other hand have little or no excuse cause
I
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:45:03 -0800
Mark Kirschner [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
Cuz it cost = 20 dollars ;-)
Since when was price indicative of quality?
Compare price and quality in the software market (specifically desktop
OS)
Please not the ;-)
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On Wednesday 29 Oct 2003 9:05 pm, aronsmith wrote:
On Wednesday 29 October 2003 10:24 am, Heather/Femme wrote:
PLEASE snip
Ok
Thank you
Anne
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On Wednesday 29 October 2003 02:32 pm, robin wrote:
Tom Brinkman wrote:
The patch in question wasn't 'Bleeding edge' or experimental
(alpha). It simply enabled packet writing to CD drives. A
feature now disabled in the 'fix' (kernel 2.4.22-21mdk) already
available, and various floppy
On Wednesday 29 Oct 2003 8:17 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:
Please excuse my own followup, I forgot to provide a very
pertinent linkhttp://packet-cd.sourceforge.net/
I presume that the link on that page means that the more adventurous
of us could recompile the kernel with that patch in,
On Wednesday 29 Oct 2003 8:51 pm, HaywireMac wrote:
Hey, there's plenty of resources out there to educate yourself
before you make a purchase, and if more people used 'em, more mfgrs
would see the effects of producing crap hardware.
Until this reared it's head, to me an ATAPI drive was an
On Wednesday 29 October 2003 02:39 pm, John Richard Smith wrote:
Please excuse my own followup, I forgot to provide a very
pertinent linkhttp://packet-cd.sourceforge.net/
Tom, that was a very interesting article. I had always wondered
why cdrecord and it's many gui front ends
On Wednesday 29 October 2003 02:01 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
Anne
Your'e welcome
(your right much quicker to read ;-)
Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft?
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Tom Brinkman wrote:
On Wednesday 29 October 2003 02:32 pm, robin wrote:
Tom Brinkman wrote:
The patch in question wasn't 'Bleeding edge' or experimental
(alpha). It simply enabled packet writing to CD drives. A
feature now disabled in the 'fix' (kernel 2.4.22-21mdk) already
available, and
On Wednesday 29 October 2003 04:05 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Wednesday 29 Oct 2003 8:17 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:
Please excuse my own followup, I forgot to provide a very
pertinent linkhttp://packet-cd.sourceforge.net/
I presume that the link on that page means that the more
On Wednesday 29 October 2003 02:36 pm, robin wrote:
Since when is a stable release bleeding edge? Bleeding edge is
Cooker. Bleeding edge is running alpha apps. Bleeding edge is using a
development kernel.
Mandrake Linux is considered much more cutting edge and state of the art than
many
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:47:48 -0500
Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
My point was, I don't care about MS's monopoly,
This is where we part ways. MS's monopoly, and the propaganda and
government machinery that supports it, must be actively opposed and
countered at every turn. Making
On Wednesday 29 October 2003 05:02 pm, robin wrote:
The hardware doesn't blow up, just it's non standard bios
is corrupted. The drive can be fixed by replacing the firmware.
Now that I didn't know.
Well, that was my own conjecture. But, I just read, believe it
was the cooker list,
On Wednesday 29 October 2003 10:05 am, Bryan Phinney wrote:
snip
The reason that standards exist is to eliminate the need for developers to
buy one of each different type of drive and test it. That is really the
only way to insure compatibility. On the other hand, it would have been
Hopefully packet writing won't dry up just because of this
latest
deal. I can see where it would be very useful to some, specially
in an office environment.
Wouldn't it be possible to enable packet writing for good devices,
but prevent sending the bad-for-LG commands to the LG's, now
Schwartz Avi wrote:
On Oct 27, 2003, at 17:45, Richard Urwin wrote:
On Monday 27 Oct 2003 9:55 pm, Schwartz Avi wrote:
What I heard was that Mandrake used some new untested kernel code in
their kernel for the 9.2 release.
I think they would prefer the adjective remarkably cutting-edge.
You
On Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 6:01 pm, Franki wrote:
Schwartz Avi wrote:
On Oct 27, 2003, at 17:45, Richard Urwin wrote:
On Monday 27 Oct 2003 9:55 pm, Schwartz Avi wrote:
What I heard was that Mandrake used some new untested kernel
code in their kernel for the 9.2 release.
I think they
On Oct 28, 2003, at 13:59, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 6:01 pm, Franki wrote:
Schwartz Avi wrote:
On Oct 27, 2003, at 17:45, Richard Urwin wrote:
On Monday 27 Oct 2003 9:55 pm, Schwartz Avi wrote:
What I heard was that Mandrake used some new untested kernel
code in their kernel for
On Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 8:11 pm, Schwartz Avi wrote:
I'd get upset if mandrake even thought about paying for it..
LG, should be paying for it because the problem is with them..
not mandrake..
The only thing mandrake have to do, is put in the workaround..
which they already have it
On Tuesday 28 October 2003 12:01 pm, Franki wrote:
Schwartz Avi wrote:
On Oct 27, 2003, at 17:45, Richard Urwin wrote:
On Monday 27 Oct 2003 9:55 pm, Schwartz Avi wrote:
What I heard was that Mandrake used some new untested kernel code in
their kernel for the 9.2 release.
I think they
On Oct 28, 2003, at 14:21, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 8:11 pm, Schwartz Avi wrote:
I'd get upset if mandrake even thought about paying for it..
LG, should be paying for it because the problem is with them..
not mandrake..
The only thing mandrake have to do, is put in the
On Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 8:34 pm, Schwartz Avi wrote:
On Oct 28, 2003, at 14:21, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 8:11 pm, Schwartz Avi wrote:
I'd get upset if mandrake even thought about paying for it..
LG, should be paying for it because the problem is with
them.. not
On Tuesday 28 October 2003 03:34 pm, Schwartz Avi wrote:
I don't know if would have been as nice as you. I installed 9.2 for a
friend on his IBM laptop. While using it, the machine locked solid and
would not boot anymore. It claims not to find the HD anymore. In this
case *I think* the
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Tuesday 28 October 2003 13:11, Schwartz Avi wrote:
I just wonder what will happen to all the people that lost their
drive. Is Mdk going to pay for them? Can they even afford it?
Avi
Lol,
I'd get upset if mandrake even thought about
On Oct 28, 2003, at 15:57, Charlie M. wrote:
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Tuesday 28 October 2003 13:11, Schwartz Avi wrote:
I just wonder what will happen to all the people that lost their
drive. Is Mdk going to pay for them? Can they even afford it?
Avi
Lol,
I'd get upset if
On Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 10:39 pm, Schwartz Avi wrote:
Well, Charlie M., too bad you will not be able to read this
message, but hopefully other will read it and know you are an ass.
Are you less of an ass if you talk to someone you believe to be not
listening?
I was not trolling, I wanted to
Anne Wilson wrote:
Jim Connor has documented this problem on the TWiki page
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/CDroms
If anyone can add the model number, please make adding this a
priority.
I'm wondering .. does only mandrake have this problem ?? or do other
distros to? any signs
What I heard was that Mandrake used some new untested kernel code in
their kernel for the 9.2 release. If this is the case then only
Mandrake 9.2 should be affected since most (if not all) other
distributions would have stayed away from this code.
Avi
On Oct 27, 2003, at 15:17, Anarky wrote:
On Monday 27 Oct 2003 9:55 pm, Schwartz Avi wrote:
What I heard was that Mandrake used some new untested kernel code in
their kernel for the 9.2 release.
I think they would prefer the adjective remarkably cutting-edge.
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On Sunday 26 October 2003 12:10 am, Franki wrote:
Tom my man,
you may have been on cooker for too long dude..
Most people already have their CDROM be it a 4 dollor POC or
not..
Hey buddy
Not telling people that mandrake will fry their drive is NOT
gonna help mandrakes public opinion.
Franki wrote:
Tom Brinkman wrote:
On Saturday 25 October 2003 02:11 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Saturday 25 Oct 2003 6:37 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:
Let me add some caution here.
I'm not out to cause scaremongering - the opposite in fact,
but I do think it's wise to say on the TWiki
Jim Connor has documented this problem on the TWiki page
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/CDroms
If anyone can add the model number, please make adding this a
priority.
Anne
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On Saturday 25 October 2003 07:28 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
Jim Connor has documented this problem on the TWiki page
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/CDroms
If anyone can add the model number, please make adding this a
priority.
Anne
Mandrake is already compiling a list. Search
On Saturday 25 October 2003 08:37 am, Tom Brinkman wrote:
On Saturday 25 October 2003 07:28 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
Jim Connor has documented this problem on the TWiki page
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/CDroms
If anyone can add the model number, please make adding this a
For anyone who owns a LG CDRom and intends installing 9.2, see
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/LgCdrom
for a list of models known to be fried/working.
Anne
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On Saturday 25 October 2003 09:04 am, Dennis Myers wrote:
On Saturday 25 October 2003 08:37 am, Tom Brinkman wrote:
Mandrake is already compiling a list. Search IMPORTANT
on the cooker list archive. Currently,
fried:
COMPAQ CRD-8322B(CP1)
CRD-8400B (machine: Dell Optiplex
On Saturday 25 Oct 2003 4:07 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:
On Saturday 25 October 2003 09:04 am, Dennis Myers wrote:
On Saturday 25 October 2003 08:37 am, Tom Brinkman wrote:
snip
Tom, can you get to cooker and have them add the LG GCR-8523B
model. That is the model that went up in smoke at
On Saturday 25 October 2003 11:40 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
I never saw Tom's original post, nor Derek's reply to it. More
posts that went missing sigh.
When we get's Derek's update on his hardware, in a format that
matches the rest of the list, I'll add it - assuming that I get
it. Please
On Saturday 25 October 2003 10:07 am, Tom Brinkman wrote:
On Saturday 25 October 2003 09:04 am, Dennis Myers wrote:
On Saturday 25 October 2003 08:37 am, Tom Brinkman wrote:
Mandrake is already compiling a list. Search IMPORTANT
on the cooker list archive. Currently,
fried:
On Saturday 25 Oct 2003 6:37 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:
Let me add some caution here. First the problem seems to be
software (kernel patch, from kernel.org) that can adversely affect
cheap substandard corner cutting hardware. The trend appears that
this is happening mostly on ready made
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 08:00, Dennis Myers wrote:
snip
Wonder how a retail boxed LG would do,
I chicken to try it. I will be getting several new Sony or EPO DVDroms as
replacements.
Guess I'll find out in the next day or two when I get round to installing
9.2 on my 2nd PC. It has an LG
On Saturday 25 October 2003 02:11 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Saturday 25 Oct 2003 6:37 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:
Let me add some caution here.
I'm not out to cause scaremongering - the opposite in fact,
but I do think it's wise to say on the TWiki that if you have one
of these drives
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:55:10 -0500
Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
Well, so I'll say this newbie user TWiki is redundant, loaded
with marginal solutions. Often wrong or not useable for all.
That's why I haven't contributed. Better wicki's are already
provided by Mandrake or
HaywireMac wrote:
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:55:10 -0500
Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
Well, so I'll say this newbie user TWiki is redundant, loaded
with marginal solutions. Often wrong or not useable for all.
That's why I haven't contributed. Better wicki's are already
provided by
On Sunday 26 Oct 2003 12:55 am, Tom Brinkman wrote:
On Saturday 25 October 2003 02:11 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Saturday 25 Oct 2003 6:37 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:
Let me add some caution here.
I'm not out to cause scaremongering - the opposite in fact,
but I do think it's
Tom Brinkman wrote:
On Saturday 25 October 2003 02:11 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Saturday 25 Oct 2003 6:37 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:
Let me add some caution here.
I'm not out to cause scaremongering - the opposite in fact,
but I do think it's wise to say on the TWiki that if you have one
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