Re: OT: privacy [was: Re: [newbie] Question]

2002-09-18 Thread robin
At some point, somebody wrote: I *will* claim that (too) many Americans are hyper-sensitive to *any* criticism of their country. Actually, just about all the Americans I know personally take criticism of their country surprisingly mildly. As one commented wryly (on anti-American

Re: OT: privacy [was: Re: [newbie] Question]

2002-09-18 Thread John Richard Smith
robin wrote: At some point, somebody wrote: I *will* claim that (too) many Americans are hyper-sensitive to *any* criticism of their country. Actually, just about all the Americans I know personally take criticism of their country surprisingly mildly. As one commented wryly (on

Re: OT: privacy [was: Re: [newbie] Question]

2002-09-18 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Tuesday September 17 2002 04:54 pm, et wrote: snip I think all this pro-/anti-American stuff is a smokescreen to prevent people noticing that we are using a French distribution. M. Robin by jove. Bonapartists...damn I wish I had percieved such Actually, recently on the

Re: OT: privacy [was: Re: [newbie] Question]

2002-09-18 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Wednesday 18 September 2002 02:14 pm, robin wrote: At some point, somebody wrote: I *will* claim that (too) many Americans are hyper-sensitive to *any* criticism of their country. Actually, just about all the Americans I know personally take criticism of their country surprisingly

Re: OT: privacy [was: Re: [newbie] Question]

2002-09-17 Thread Miark
Marco, Anyone who doesn't agree 100% with what George W. Bush says or does, is automatically considered a terrorist or terrorist sympathiser, and can be detained indefinitely without a shred of evidence, legal representation or even visitation rights for his next of kin. Have Newbie

Re: OT: privacy [was: Re: [newbie] Question]

2002-09-17 Thread Patrik Marxer
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 06:42, Dennis Myers wrote: On Monday 16 September 2002 10:27 pm, Marco Nadal wrote: Shane! you've just decribed better then half the people reading this list, myself included! ;) Mark Anyone who doesn't agree 100% with what George W. Bush says or

RE: OT: privacy [was: Re: [newbie] Question]

2002-09-17 Thread Barran, Richard
Wrong, we have a bill of rights. It isn't a Bill Gates of rights but it works none the less. People disagree with W all the time and live to tell about it, and in this day and age most Americans know their rights very well, we have tv programs with new episodes every week that let

Re: OT: privacy [was: Re: [newbie] Question]

2002-09-17 Thread Alastair Scott
On Tue, 2002-09-17 at 08:13, Patrik Marxer wrote: To be honest, we don't like bush much over here. I guess not many in europe do. In the rest of the world it may be similar. In fact he is the most unpopular leader in the world, as I have heard - even more unpopular than Saddam Hussein.

Re: OT: privacy [was: Re: [newbie] Question]

2002-09-17 Thread Alastair Scott
On Tue, 2002-09-17 at 06:16, Ricardo Castanho de Oliveira Freitas wrote: Em Ter 17 Set 2002 01:42, Dennis Myers escreveu: That was before G.W.Bush! I'm Brazilian and I've lived during our so called military period (they were rulling the country for over 30 years!) None of those military

Re: OT: privacy [was: Re: [newbie] Question]

2002-09-17 Thread et
On Monday 16 September 2002 11:27 pm, you wrote: Shane! you've just decribed better then half the people reading this list, myself included! ;) Mark Anyone who doesn't agree 100% with what George W. Bush says or does, is automatically considered a terrorist or terrorist sympathiser,

Re: OT: privacy [was: Re: [newbie] Question]

2002-09-17 Thread Patrik Marxer
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 11:47, Alastair Scott wrote: On Tue, 2002-09-17 at 08:13, Patrik Marxer wrote: To be honest, we don't like bush much over here. I guess not many in europe do. In the rest of the world it may be similar. In fact he is the most unpopular leader in the world, as I

Re: OT: privacy [was: Re: [newbie] Question]

2002-09-17 Thread et
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 03:26 am, you wrote: Marco, Anyone who doesn't agree 100% with what George W. Bush says or does, is automatically considered a terrorist or terrorist sympathiser, and can be detained indefinitely without a shred of evidence, legal representation or even

Re: OT: privacy [was: Re: [newbie] Question]

2002-09-17 Thread et
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 04:56 am, you wrote: Wrong, we have a bill of rights. It isn't a Bill Gates of rights but it works none the less. People disagree with W all the time and live to tell about it, and in this day and age most Americans know their rights very well, we have

Re: OT: privacy [was: Re: [newbie] Question]

2002-09-17 Thread Ricardo Castanho de Oliveira Freitas
Em Ter 17 Set 2002 06:52, Alastair Scott escreveu: As his motto: Or we agree with him or we are against him! You are absolutely right! Although, I've listenned him saing that! Great emphasis on TV! I agree that the idea was what you mentioned, but ... The problem I see is the over-reaction on

Re: OT: privacy [was: Re: [newbie] Question]

2002-09-17 Thread et
snip call me a consiprisy theroy nut, but in my lifetime you will _never_ convince me that of Geo. the elder had not survived WW2, we would have never been in 'Nam. let me (at least) correct the double negitive; that if Geo. the elder had not survived WW2, we would have been in 'Nam. Want to

Re: OT: privacy [was: Re: [newbie] Question]

2002-09-17 Thread John Richard Smith
I'm not going to add much to this thread, except to say, I do not feel proud of my Country today , I feel that a much loved friend, with whom in the past we have shared many experiences, has just insisted that I help him murder his motherinlaw because he and his wife want to live off the income

Re: OT: privacy [was: Re: [newbie] Question]

2002-09-17 Thread et
the part I really enjoy tho.. is who gets to decide, and by what criteria, what make a person a terrorist? that to me is (at the least) one of the biggest malfunctions of this whole pile. Am I a terrorist? what if I speak openly against the Bush Family? what if I call for the USA to join the

Re: OT: privacy [was: Re: [newbie] Question]

2002-09-17 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Monday 16 September 2002 11:27 pm, you wrote: Anyone who doesn't agree 100% with what George W. Bush says or does, is automatically considered a terrorist or terrorist sympathiser, and can be detained indefinitely without a shred of evidence, legal representation or even visitation rights

Re: OT: privacy [was: Re: [newbie] Question]

2002-09-17 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 04:56 am, you wrote: And Americans wonder why much of the rest of the planet hates them :-( I do... Yes, you have a Bill of Rights. And it applies to (white) Americans. It just looks like it doesn't need apply to anyone who isn't an American. Thats just plain

Re: OT: privacy [was: Re: [newbie] Question]

2002-09-17 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 09:50 am, Anne Wilson wrote: (Certainly, in the United Kingdom, nobody would consider even the less successful Prime Ministers of recent times, such as Jim Callaghan and John Major, to be stupid; Couldn't resist jumping in here - John Major made a great play

Re: OT: privacy [was: Re: [newbie] Question]

2002-09-17 Thread Patrik Marxer
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 15:05, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Tuesday 17 September 2002 03:13 am, you wrote: To be honest, we don't like bush much over here. I guess not many in europe do. In the rest of the world it may be similar. In fact he is the most unpopular leader in the world, as I

Re: OT: privacy [was: Re: [newbie] Question]

2002-09-17 Thread Patrik Marxer
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 09:26, Miark wrote: Marco, Anyone who doesn't agree 100% with what George W. Bush says or does, is automatically considered a terrorist or terrorist sympathiser, and can be detained indefinitely without a shred of evidence, legal representation or even

Re: OT: privacy [was: Re: [newbie] Question]

2002-09-17 Thread shane
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 16 September 2002 9:42 pm, Dennis Myers did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: Anyone who doesn't agree 100% with what George W. Bush says or does, is automatically considered a terrorist or terrorist sympathiser, and can be

Re: OT: privacy [was: Re: [newbie] Question]

2002-09-17 Thread shane
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 17 September 2002 12:26 am, Miark did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: You, on the other hand, just criticized the US. Worse, you are wrong, and clueless as to what goes on here. (And watching Aussie news doesn't count.) Do you

Re: OT: privacy [was: Re: [newbie] Question]

2002-09-17 Thread shane
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 17 September 2002 11:47 am, robin did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: I think all this pro-/anti-American stuff is a smokescreen to prevent people noticing that we are using a French distribution. Hasn't anyone noticed the

Re: OT: privacy [was: Re: [newbie] Question]

2002-09-17 Thread Dennis Myers
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 03:56 am, Barran, Richard wrote: Wrong, we have a bill of rights. It isn't a Bill Gates of rights but it works none the less. People disagree with W all the time and live to tell about it, and in this day and age most Americans know their rights very

Re: OT: privacy [was: Re: [newbie] Question]

2002-09-16 Thread Dennis Myers
On Monday 16 September 2002 10:27 pm, Marco Nadal wrote: Shane! you've just decribed better then half the people reading this list, myself included! ;) Mark Anyone who doesn't agree 100% with what George W. Bush says or does, is automatically considered a terrorist or terrorist

Re: OT: privacy [was: Re: [newbie] Question]

2002-09-16 Thread Ricardo Castanho de Oliveira Freitas
Em Ter 17 Set 2002 01:42, Dennis Myers escreveu: That was before G.W.Bush! I'm Brazilian and I've lived during our so called military period (they were rulling the country for over 30 years!) None of those military dictators scares me more than G.W.Bush! As his motto: Or we agree with him or