Re: [Openstack] Do we need SSL on nova-api ports?

2011-05-03 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On 3 May 2011, at 01:34, Eldar Nugaev wrote: #1 Replace existed plain http to ssl #2 Add additional ports for ssl (save plain http) #3 Do nothing I suggest: a) Make SSL only the default (ideally with client cert on as well). b) Postulate that one port lower there is an optional

Re: [Openstack] Do we need SSL on nova-api ports?

2011-05-03 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On 3 May 2011, at 03:29, Todd Willey wrote: We should be able to do it with a wsgi middleware and either include it or not in the paste config file. In a heavily load-balanced environment you'll probably want to terminate SSL before it gets proxied to the actual api servers, Agreed. And

Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum

2011-05-03 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/03/2011 10:29 AM, Jordan Rinke wrote: To make this a bit more democratic I have created a survey. Simply vote for your answer and whichever has the most votes wins. (If we had a forum already, the poll/vote could have happened there) http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Z9VPLSJ (It is

Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum

2011-05-03 Thread Soren Hansen
2011/5/3 Ron Pedde ron.pe...@rackspace.com: On 5/2/11 6:10 PM, Soren Hansen so...@linux2go.dk wrote: I just know from experience that try as I might, I'm not likely to maintain any sort of motivation to participate in forums for any useful amount of time. And I think that would be the objective

Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum

2011-05-03 Thread Soren Hansen
2011/5/3 Everett Toews everett.to...@cybera.ca: What I think the essential features for any user support forum are: 1. ability to up vote so the best answers bubble to the top. 2. for the original poster to be able pick the answer they used. In addition to forums, Ubuntu also has a

Re: [Openstack] Do we need SSL on nova-api ports?

2011-05-03 Thread Soren Hansen
2011/5/3 Todd Willey t...@ansolabs.com:  In a heavily load-balanced environment you'll probably want to terminate SSL before it gets proxied to the actual api servers, Why is that? It seems like a win to distribute as much processing as possible, including SSL termination? -- Soren Hansen    

Re: [Openstack] Do we need SSL on nova-api ports?

2011-05-03 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On 3 May 2011, at 10:31, Soren Hansen wrote: 2011/5/3 Todd Willey t...@ansolabs.com: In a heavily load-balanced environment you'll probably want to terminate SSL before it gets proxied to the actual api servers, Why is that? It seems like a win to distribute as much processing as

Re: [Openstack] lunr reference iSCSI target driver

2011-05-03 Thread FUJITA Tomonori
Thanks for the explanation! On Mon, 2 May 2011 21:12:22 -0700 Michael Barton mike-launch...@weirdlooking.com wrote: What I've been playing with is having a manifest that contains hashes of (4mb) chunks for the volume's backups. When a user initiates a new backup, dm-snapshot does its thing

Re: [Openstack] lunr reference iSCSI target driver

2011-05-03 Thread FUJITA Tomonori
On Mon, 2 May 2011 21:19:43 -0700 Michael Barton mike-launch...@weirdlooking.com wrote: Oh, and I don't know if keeping track of dirty chunks so backups are less work is worth putting an indirection layer on top of volumes. I think that it depends on volume capacity and the frequency of

Re: [Openstack] Do we need SSL on nova-api ports?

2011-05-03 Thread Todd Willey
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 5:39 AM, Dirk-Willem van Gulik dirk-willem.van.gu...@bbc.co.uk wrote: On 3 May 2011, at 10:31, Soren Hansen wrote: 2011/5/3 Todd Willey t...@ansolabs.com: In a heavily load-balanced environment you'll probably want to terminate SSL before it gets proxied to the

Re: [Openstack] Do we need SSL on nova-api ports?

2011-05-03 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On 3 May 2011, at 13:30, Todd Willey wrote: On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 5:39 AM, Dirk-Willem van Gulik dirk-willem.van.gu...@bbc.co.uk wrote: On 3 May 2011, at 10:31, Soren Hansen wrote: 2011/5/3 Todd Willey t...@ansolabs.com: In a heavily load-balanced environment you'll probably want to

Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum

2011-05-03 Thread Jordan Rinke
Can anyone name a large successful project that either doesn't have an official forum, or that multiple unofficial forums haven't sprung up around? Also, I looked and phpbb has a mod that allows marking topics as solved, selecting a post as the answer and also giving posts solve ratings so I

Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum

2011-05-03 Thread Todd Morey
+1 for the idea of a StackExchange-type site. I tend to find them to be better resources than old-school forums, but without the barriers to just dropping by with a question that Ron mentioned for mailing lists. (It's hard to get users to search mailing list archives before reposting a

Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum

2011-05-03 Thread Jordan Rinke
Linux Kernel: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chromeie=UTF-8q=linux+kernel+forum 5 million results Apache: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chromeie=UTF-8q=apache+forum 23 million results I am sure at least one or two of those are active forums. LinuxQuestions.org is a good example,

Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum

2011-05-03 Thread Rick Clark
a few comments about a forum: + While I agree with Thierry that most end user apps have forums, some SA/Dev oriented software also have forums. + I think there is a need for a place where people can ask simple questions they would not feel comfortable asking on the ML. - Forums are very

Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum

2011-05-03 Thread Thierry Carrez
Jordan Rinke wrote: I think a purely QnA site misses the mark a little, that style is great for a very specific question (And the OSQnA stuff Everett linked looks great) but I think a lot of users are lacking the knowledge to ask a very specific question just yet. So maybe it is that we need a

Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum

2011-05-03 Thread Jordan Rinke
Interesting because Ron very specifically mentioned being able to find useful and relevant information on the Ubuntu forums without bothering devs at the beginning of this discussion (which Soren then noted as an excellent point). We don't have an extended answer from Anne yet, but she did vote

Re: [Openstack] Openstack Network service wiki and meeting

2011-05-03 Thread Dan Wendlandt
Hi Alex, Great to hear that you're getting resources lined up! Other folks are still figuring out exactly what resources they will be able to contribute as well, which is why we're still planning on waiting until 5/10 for the actual discussion of what dev tasks various people will pick off and

Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum

2011-05-03 Thread Everett Toews
I believe that should be http://askubuntu.com/ Everett On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Jordan Rinke jor...@openstack.org wrote: Interesting because Ron very specifically mentioned being able to find useful and relevant information on the Ubuntu forums without bothering devs at the beginning

Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum

2011-05-03 Thread Rick Clark
On 05/03/2011 09:36 AM, Jordan Rinke wrote: Interesting because Ron very specifically mentioned being able to find useful and relevant information on the Ubuntu forums without bothering devs at the beginning of this discussion (which Soren then noted as an excellent point). I think there is

Re: [Openstack] Do we need SSL on nova-api ports?

2011-05-03 Thread Edward Konetzko
On 05/03/2011 06:39 AM, Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: On 3 May 2011, at 13:30, Todd Willey wrote: On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 5:39 AM, Dirk-Willem van Gulik dirk-willem.van.gu...@bbc.co.uk wrote: On 3 May 2011, at 10:31, Soren Hansen wrote: 2011/5/3 Todd Willeyt...@ansolabs.com: In a heavily

Re: [Openstack] lunr reference iSCSI target driver

2011-05-03 Thread Jagane Sundar
Hello Mike, Tomo: I invite you to take a look at Livebackup for kvm: http://wiki.qemu.org/Features/Livebackup This is a feature that I am currently developing. In brief, livebackup enables full and incremental backups of running VMs. It has enhancements to qemu that enable it to keep an

Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum

2011-05-03 Thread Anne Gentle
Hey all, thanks for asking for my input. :) A few months ago, I said it's too early. This month, I do sense a need for community support, based on questions I see on the docs site and the types of questions in Launchpad Answers. I think we're getting to a real user community and it would be good

Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum

2011-05-03 Thread Lorin Hochstein
Anne: Somebody (several people?) have mentioned OSQA as a free Stack Exchange clone. We're running it internally at ISI, it works fairly well. It's a django app. Shapado is another (Ruby-based) Stack Exchange clone. Lorin -- Lorin Hochstein, Computer Scientist USC Information Sciences

Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum

2011-05-03 Thread Everett Toews
Regarding your StackExchange questions Anne. For an Open Source StackExchange-like site OSQA (http://www.osqa.net/) could be used. For StackExchange itself it's free as in beer ( http://area51.stackexchange.com/faq). How much does Stack Exchange cost? Creating a Stack Exchange site is free.

Re: [Openstack] Do we need SSL on nova-api ports?

2011-05-03 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 08:09, Dirk-Willem van Gulik dirk-willem.van.gu...@bbc.co.uk wrote: a)      Make SSL only the default (ideally with client cert on as well). Sounds good to me. b)      Postulate that one port lower there is an optional HTTP port (OFF, or tied to localhost). The IETF

Re: [Openstack] Do we need SSL on nova-api ports?

2011-05-03 Thread Dirk-WIllem van Gulik
On 3 May 2011, at 18:49, Richard Hartmann wrote: On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 08:09, Dirk-Willem van Gulik dirk-willem.van.gu...@bbc.co.uk wrote: a) Make SSL only the default (ideally with client cert on as well). Sounds good to me. b) Postulate that one port lower there is an

Re: [Openstack] Openstack Network service wiki and meeting

2011-05-03 Thread Rick Clark
Hi Alex, The meeting today is just to discuss Launchpad setup and infrastructure needs, so we can be ready to hit the ground running. There will be no technical discussions or decisions made. I hope you can attend and give your input. Rick On 05/03/2011 10:02 AM, Dan Wendlandt wrote:

Re: [Openstack] Do we need SSL on nova-api ports?

2011-05-03 Thread Vishvananda Ishaya
I don't really see any reason for production apps to run on anything other than 80/443. In dev mode it is nice to have other ports, but I don't really see a reason for special ports in production systems. Vish On May 3, 2011, at 10:49 AM, Richard Hartmann wrote: On Tue, May 3, 2011 at

Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum

2011-05-03 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 11:24, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: A forum is almost always the wrong solution when we talk about a developer/technical subject. In my experience it always ended up fragmenting the community between developers (who don't read the forums) and users (who

Re: [Openstack] Openstack Network service wiki and meeting

2011-05-03 Thread John Purrier
Rick, we have set up a top level LP project futurestack and moved all of the associated but not official projects to be children of this. Feel free to link the new network projects here if you want, it allows us to have a single LP spot to go to in order to see the activity on these projects.

Re: [Openstack] lunr reference iSCSI target driver

2011-05-03 Thread Josh Durgin
On 05/02/2011 01:46 PM, Chuck Thier wrote: This leads to another interesting question. While our reference implementation may not directly expose snapshot functionality, I imagine other storage implementations could want to. I'm interested to hear what use cases others would be interested in

Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum

2011-05-03 Thread Jordan Rinke
Ladies and Gentlemen... welcome to the official OpenStack Forums! http://forums.openstack.org Work in progress so feel free to join and post up any comments about the forum etc. -Original Message- From: Everett Toews everett.to...@cybera.ca Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2011 1:22pm To: Anne

Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum

2011-05-03 Thread Michael Shuler
On 05/03/2011 02:49 PM, Jordan Rinke wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen... welcome to the official OpenStack Forums! http://forums.openstack.org Work in progress so feel free to join and post up any comments about the forum etc. phpBB is a poor choice of forum software, IMO. -- Michael

[Openstack] Bare metal provisioning group

2011-05-03 Thread Lorin Hochstein
At the Diablo summit, there were several people who expressed interest in using OpenStack to do bare-metal provisioning of nodes as an alternative to virtualization. We're using this approach at ISI to support Tilera hardware. Our implementation is Tilera-specific, but we'd like to build a more

Re: [Openstack] Bare metal provisioning group

2011-05-03 Thread Vishvananda Ishaya
+1 on this. It is a very cool feature and I hope we can eventually support it. Vish On May 3, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Lorin Hochstein wrote: At the Diablo summit, there were several people who expressed interest in using OpenStack to do bare-metal provisioning of nodes as an alternative to

Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum

2011-05-03 Thread Daniel Salinas
This is awesome!!! Now we can spend 3 weeks debating about forum software. I like vbulletin. On 5/3/11 3:32 PM, Michael Shuler mshu...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/03/2011 02:49 PM, Jordan Rinke wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen... welcome to the official OpenStack Forums! http://forums.openstack.org

Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum

2011-05-03 Thread Paul Voccio
Are these really the official openstack forums? I didn't get the impression that this was settled. Didn't we bypass some processes here? On 5/3/11 2:49 PM, Jordan Rinke jor...@openstack.org wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen... welcome to the official OpenStack Forums! http://forums.openstack.org

Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum

2011-05-03 Thread Bernard Golden
Do I have this right? We were just debating this topic this morning and I just see a blog post by Stephen Spector announcing forums? Incroyable! Bernard Golden bernard.gol...@gmail.com On May 3, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Daniel Salinas wrote: This is awesome!!! Now we can spend 3 weeks debating

Re: [Openstack] Moving code hosting to GitHub

2011-05-03 Thread andi abes
I'm not sure who wins in git vs. bzr ease of use... guess it depends on how quickly I get over this error: $ bzr pull lp:swift/1.3 bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir( http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~swift/swift/omega-1.3.0-7/.bzr/branch/lock): Transport oper ation not possible: http does not support

Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum

2011-05-03 Thread Vishvananda Ishaya
I just brought that up in the release meeting. It is on the agenda for the PPB to discuss on Thursday. Vish On May 3, 2011, at 3:09 PM, Paul Voccio wrote: Are these really the official openstack forums? I didn't get the impression that this was settled. Didn't we bypass some processes here?

[Openstack] Separation of IRC Channels

2011-05-03 Thread Ant Messerli
Hey all, I wanted to see what everyones opinions were on separating out some of the IRC channels. When the project started we decided to keep #openstack as the primary channel since the project was small at the time. Over the last year with the project growing, the traffic in the #openstack

Re: [Openstack] Moving code hosting to GitHub

2011-05-03 Thread Josh Kearney
Try 'bzr branch' instead of 'pull'. On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 5:17 PM, andi abes andi.a...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure who wins in git vs. bzr ease of use... guess it depends on how quickly I get over this error: $ bzr pull lp:swift/1.3 bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(

Re: [Openstack] Separation of IRC Channels

2011-05-03 Thread Ken Pepple
On May 3, 2011, at 3:22 PM, Ant Messerli wrote: #openstack – Help and Getting Started #openstack-meeting – Community Meetings #openstack-nova – All Nova Development #openstack-swift – All Swift Development #openstack-glance – All Glance Development Do we have to break out all the projects

[Openstack] Problem with values in JSON responses

2011-05-03 Thread Eldar Nugaev
Hi gents. At this moment we have problem in OS API 1.1. Any JSON response with values doesn't meet specification. Could you please provide information - why we want to see values field in JSON and who is responsable for implementation this specification in OS API 1.1? Also we have broken

Re: [Openstack] Separation of IRC Channels

2011-05-03 Thread Jay Pipes
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Ken Pepple ken.pep...@rabbityard.com wrote: Do we have to break out all the projects into their own development channels ? Can't we just have a #openstack-dev to cover them all ? There are a lot of cross-project discussions (especially between nova/glance, but

Re: [Openstack] Problem with values in JSON responses

2011-05-03 Thread Vishvananda Ishaya
We discussed the values debacle at the design summit last week. The existence of values is due to the ability of lists in xml to have attributes and to allow for extensibility. The solution is ugly and we're looking at a way to fix it. The Rackspace Titan team

Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum

2011-05-03 Thread Jordan Rinke
Yeah... I misunderstood the process and where we were / some direction I received and I implemented the forums before it was fully decided. Once I did that Stephen put out the announcement at my request believing that everything was set and ready to go. I totally take the blame for executing

Re: [Openstack] Problem with values in JSON responses

2011-05-03 Thread Jorge Williams
On May 3, 2011, at 6:29 PM, Eldar Nugaev wrote: Hi gents. At this moment we have problem in OS API 1.1. Any JSON response with values doesn't meet specification. What specification are you referring to? Could you please provide information - why we want to see values field in JSON and

Re: [Openstack] Problem with values in JSON responses

2011-05-03 Thread Paul Voccio
Hi Eldar, There was a good discussion at the summit in regards to how this is going to be represented. Jay Pipes and Jorge Williams were on point (I think) for pushing this topic forward. Hopefully one of them can reply here with their findings. Pvo On 5/3/11 6:29 PM, Eldar Nugaev

[Openstack] Lieutenants (Again)

2011-05-03 Thread Vishvananda Ishaya
Hey Everyone, A couple people have stepped up to lead development on different sections of the code. Thanks to Brian Waldon and Brian Lamar for listing themselves at http://wiki.openstack.org/NovaLieutenants I'm still looking for points of contact for the remaining sections. Even though

Re: [Openstack] Problem with values in JSON responses

2011-05-03 Thread Eldar Nugaev
I'm referring to the http://docs.openstack.org/cactus/openstack-compute/developer/openstack-compute-api-1.1/ documentation. There are examples of json responses with values. I suppose we should change documentation to the actual state or change actual state to the documentation. On Tue, May 3,

Re: [Openstack] Problem with values in JSON responses

2011-05-03 Thread Jay Pipes
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Jorge Williams jorge.willi...@rackspace.com wrote: On May 3, 2011, at 6:29 PM, Eldar Nugaev wrote: Could you please provide information - why we want to see values field in JSON and who is responsable for implementation this specification in OS API 1.1? We

Re: [Openstack] lunr reference iSCSI target driver

2011-05-03 Thread MORITA Kazutaka
At Tue, 03 May 2011 12:19:50 -0700, Josh Durgin wrote: On 05/02/2011 01:46 PM, Chuck Thier wrote: This leads to another interesting question. While our reference implementation may not directly expose snapshot functionality, I imagine other storage implementations could want to. I'm

Re: [Openstack] Discussion on October Design Summit Locations

2011-05-03 Thread Devin Carlen
There was a lot of talk earlier about Seattle and there seemed to be a fair amount of interest. Devin On May 3, 2011, at 2:49 PM, Stephen Spector wrote: Team: As we all are interested in where the next event is located I thought I would send out a recap of the meeting I had last week at

Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum

2011-05-03 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/04/2011 05:42 AM, Daniel Salinas wrote: This is awesome!!! Now we can spend 3 weeks debating about forum software. I like vbulletin. On 5/3/11 3:32 PM, Michael Shuler mshu...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/03/2011 02:49 PM, Jordan Rinke wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen... welcome to the

Re: [Openstack] Lieutenants (Again)

2011-05-03 Thread Matt Dietz
I'll add myself to the pool for Xen From: Vishvananda Ishaya vishvana...@gmail.commailto:vishvana...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 17:08:35 -0700 To: openstack@lists.launchpad.netmailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: [Openstack] Lieutenants (Again) Hey Everyone, A couple people have

Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum

2011-05-03 Thread Daniel Salinas
And I think that is exactly the things one should bring to the table when discussing the pros/cons of a piece of software. I don't have a preference myself. I don't really know of any webapp beyond security problems. What is more important to me is who will maintain it and how quickly that app's

Re: [Openstack] Discussion on October Design Summit Locations

2011-05-03 Thread Thomas Goirand
- Original message - As for Europe, the consensus in the room was that we don't have too many developers in Europe at this time and almost everyone would need to travel which would increase costs across the community as well as limit the number of developers who could attend as

Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum

2011-05-03 Thread Thomas Goirand
- Original message - Is there another free OSS option out there for a forum? All the others I     know of require money for commercial use etc. About 2 dozen of very valuable projects yes. PunBB, SMF and Fudforum pops to my mind, smf being the most famous, Fudforum being the most

[Openstack] Network service: Quantum and Donabe BPs

2011-05-03 Thread Ram Durairaj (radurair)
Hello All: As per our discussions in Design summit, created 4 Blueprint (BP) placeholder for Donabe...and also see 6 BPs for Quantum ...wondering about need for so many # of BPs... Could we just have two BPs one for Quantum and another for Donabe? That way most of the discussions and the

Re: [Openstack] Separation of IRC Channels

2011-05-03 Thread Wayne A. Walls
What's this forum stuff that is going on? ;). AnywaysI'm not against an #OpenStack and an #OpenStack-dev/whatever, but being a non-dev, I pick up a ton of good information just lurking and following conversation. I love eavesdrop for locating past discussions, and adding more channels