Re: Evaluating Photographs - long

2003-09-25 Thread Lon Williamson
Perspicacious, eh? Sweaty? grin. No one's mentioned photography's magic dirty little secret: What you choose to show is vital. What percentage of your shots would you show on PUG, for example? For me, right now, selecting shots to scan/keep is the real magic. I mean, you should see some of

Re: Evaluating Photographs - long

2003-09-25 Thread frank theriault
Hi, Lon, From a post of mine from last night, on another thread: I'm gradually learning that taking photographs is only a small part of this endeavor. Choosing what to show is just as important. Ha!! Seriously, you're right. When one shoots a coupla rolls a week, the photos add up. It's

Re: Evaluating Photographs - long

2003-09-23 Thread Eactivist
Holy cats, you're pushing all my buttons tonight, Marnie. :-) TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ I think you possibly you may have missed the ironic tone in my post and missed my other comments in other posts. Unless you are being ironic also. ;-) Or very deliberately making a point. Such as IMHO, it is art

Re: Evaluating Photographs - long

2003-09-23 Thread Eactivist
Doug, I am going to postscript myself to be very, very clear. Sometimes I am not clear. Despite the fact that I think art is very, very subjective -- in both the creation and the response to it, I think people like feedback. And some critiquing can be of real value. And the creator can always

Re: Evaluating Photographs - long

2003-09-23 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 4:31:55 PM, you wrote: Time to get into the fray. I have long disagreed with the concept that something is art simply because someone calls it art. The lady urinating in the bucket would be a good example of it. I'm slowly revising my position. People can

Re: Evaluating Photographs - long

2003-09-23 Thread frank theriault
Well, Bob, This is at least the third post you've made on these threads. Maybe it is a waste of time, but I find it interesting and somewhat seductive. Watching Monday Night Football is a spectacular waste of time, too, but millions do it anyway! vbg Yeah, we're arguing Angels on the Head of

Re: Evaluating Photographs - long

2003-09-23 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, I entirely agree. Bob Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 10:32:11 PM, you wrote: Well, Bob, This is at least the third post you've made on these threads. Maybe it is a waste of time, but I find it interesting and somewhat seductive. Watching Monday Night Football is a spectacular waste of

Re: Evaluating Photographs - long

2003-09-22 Thread frank theriault
Well, I now have a bit of time, so I can respond to the original post, with a couple of more thoughts that I didn't mention when I answered Paul's post directly. I'll try my best not to repeat anything (but no promises) g. First, I think one should remember that one doesn't simply become an

Re: Evaluating Photographs - long

2003-09-22 Thread graywolf
Whether one is an artist or not is, I think, simply a matter of intent. If ones intent is to produce art than one is an artist. Now I am willing to admit that becoming a good artist, much less a great one, can take years or even decades of hard work, but whether one is an artist is simply a

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2003-09-22 Thread frank theriault
Come on, Tom, It's never as simple as that. That is never a simple concept... g cheers, frank graywolf wrote: major snippage It is as simple as that. -- Hell is others -Jean Paul Sartre

Re: Evaluating Photographs - long

2003-09-22 Thread frank theriault
But, seriously, Tom, Geez, you know, I wish I could express myself as well in these sorts of discussions as some. I'm just not articulate when it comes to things artistic. Unfortunately for this list, that won't stop me from trying... g On the whole, your thesis makes sense. There are a

Re: Evaluating Photographs - long

2003-09-22 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, Monday, September 22, 2003, 10:24:34 PM, you wrote: Whether one is an artist or not is, I think, simply a matter of intent. If ones intent is to produce art than one is an artist. Now I am willing to admit that becoming a good artist, much less a great one, can take years or even

Re: Evaluating Photographs - long

2003-09-22 Thread Mark Cassino
At 05:34 PM 9/22/2003 +0200, Feroze Kistan wrote: With the recent thread about evaluating photgraphs, I thought I'd share this with the list. Regards, Feroze The Painter's Mistakes -snip- Great story that offers a lot of food for thought. I may be reading into it too much, but I'd take the

Re: Evaluating Photographs - long

2003-09-22 Thread Eactivist
Whatever the intention of the creator of a piece, the viewer must have a say as to whether a piece is art or not. If a piece is not art, how can its creator be an artist? And why can't art be produced by a non-artist? I'm really confused now... cheers, frank IMHO, it is art is if the

Re: Evaluating Photographs - long

2003-09-22 Thread Herb Chong
criticism. in my case, it was crude and demeaning alterations. Herb - Original Message - From: Feroze Kistan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 11:34 AM Subject: Evaluating Photographs - long With the recent thread about evaluating

Re: Evaluating Photographs - long

2003-09-22 Thread frank theriault
Well, as I said earlier, I wonder then if something can be art, regardless of the intention of it's creator. Conversely, I'd wonder about something that only it's creator considers art, and no one else. That could end up being a very narrow definition of art. I can't help but think that some