Hi, interested. What is the saddle height in the picture? Do you have any
more pictures? And what brakes are you using currently? Last question:
where are you located? Thanks.
On Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 4:00:41 PM UTC-6 gson...@gmail.com wrote:
> I will disassemble if I find a buyer. No
betty foy would be affected
> similarly, and again it just doesn't go that far. I think it lasts maybe 45
> minutesish.
>
> I think the better option is to try and riv-ify an ebike rather than
> ebike-ify a rivendell.
> On Sunday, June 2, 2024 at 8:33:13 PM UTC-7 Hoch in ut wrot
This is an old topic. But curious how your dad has liked the Swytch kit.
I was originally thinking of getting my wife a Specialized ebike. As she
has troubles riding the hills around here. But she loves her Betty. I
figure if this Swytch will work, that would be great for her. Hopefully
they
, 2024 at 11:58:15 AM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> I wrote them but never heard back. Very frustrating.
>>
>>
>> On May 29, 2024, at 9:56 AM, Hoch in ut wrote:
>>
>>
>> Has anyone been able to get a response from the person selling the 58cm
&g
Has anyone been able to get a response from the person selling the 58cm
Hunqapillar? I’ve messaged several times but no response. As appears to be
still up.
On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 10:58:48 AM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com wrote:
> Damn. That’s my size and I’ve always wanted one in that
Mostly everyone is responding with their heart, which is expected.
Atlantis is a touring bike. Heavy duty frame, large tire clearance.
Exceptional bike. I had two Hunqapillars, which I see as equivalent to the
Atlantis. For touring and/or slower long distance rides, I’d say go for it.
For a
There is a guy on Facebook Riv Marketplace that says he has a Toyo built
57-58”, 26” Atlantis. Guy named William John Spencer in a WTB: Toyo
Atlantis thread.
On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 6:27:42 PM UTC-6 jerry...@gmail.com wrote:
> Appreciate the insight regarding Toyo Atlantis frame to wheel
With everyone on high alert with fraudulent ads lately, I’d highly suggest
posting details, location, and pictures.
On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 7:50:49 AM UTC-6 gson...@gmail.com wrote:
> Please email me for details
> If interested. Asking $1800.
>
> GMS
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Fantastic pictures, John. Makes me miss my old 54 Hunq.
On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 4:32:22 PM UTC-6 John M wrote:
> I'm not Johnny but I used to have a 54 cm Hunqapillar in green and here's
> an assortment of pictures from tours in New Mexico and Colorado-- mostly
> the Great Divide Mountain
Would it be possible to list the names of the scammers somewhere? Just for
those initiated contact by a private message prior to the ban.
On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 1:46:25 PM UTC-6 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
> Hey all -
>
> I just removed another person who listed an item and appears to have been
I emailed this seller on May 4th and have not seen a response. If I hear
back, I’ll post updates. Hoping the person is not a scammer but just
someone that infrequently checks emails.
On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 8:40:15 AM UTC-6 Jordan R. wrote:
> I took those photos of the handlebar for a sale
I’m glad this has been brought up to keep others from getting scammed.
If there are any others that need to be brought to the group’s attention,
please speak up. I feel it’s our responsibility and duty to protect the
group. Don’t be timid. See something, say something.
On Friday, May 3, 2024
As Tim said, handlebar choice be a big consideration in recommending
sizing. Upright/alt bars (ie Albatross, Tosco, etc) would give you the most
flexibility in sizing. Road bars are more finicky.
On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 4:48:44 AM UTC-6 Tim Bantham wrote:
> To add further confusion I
If this is your one bike, I’d say go for the 700c. You’re already used to
that wheel size from the Vaya. Maybe you have some tubes and 700c parts as
well.
Additionally, I am the same height as you with a 83.3cm PBH and much prefer
700c. I like the handling and rollover when on rough roads.
I
I agree with aeroperf. Both will work just fine for your usage. I’d just
base it on the other bikes in your possession. It’s nice to swap tires and
dynamo wheels between bikes.
On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 7:58:10 AM UTC-6 aeroperf wrote:
> I would think it would be all about the tires.
>
>
ing videos. No bike no likes right? I
>>>> subscribed to the YouTube channel.
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 8:39:37 PM UTC-4 weste...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for sharing -- nice understated video that real
I’ve tried 8,9,10 speeds with friction shifting. 10 speed, nope. 9 was ok
But settled on 8-speed for pretty much all friction shift bikes.
On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 7:27:21 PM UTC-6 ber...@bernardduhon.com wrote:
> I have been friction shifting my 10 speed campy set up. 11-26 X 44-28
>
Maybe I’ll be alone in this, but… Just ride it! For the type of riding on a
Chev, microknobs/file tread doesn’t help much. If you run bigger knobbies,
it may actually be dangerous with the tire clearance maxed out. Any stone
picked up by the tread could jam against the fork or chain/seat stays.
I’m building up a vintage MTB frame. Looking for decent v brakes with
levers. Nothing too expensive as this is a cheap frame. Thanks.
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https://youtu.be/IFoDkOQjk08?si=tOa6oP0IbiZmwNRQ
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One thing I noticed on my Clem was with a heavy load on the rear, the tail
wagged a little much for me. Due to the low step through design. I’d
imagine with the Gus’ top tube being higher, the frame most likely wouldn’t
flex as much. I noticed your rear rack on your Clem and thought I’d point
Large volume tire is amazing on pavement. Given you’re not racing.
The larger the tire, the more imperative you get the PSI right. I usually
use the Silca calculator.
Generally, if I’m riding pavement (and pavement around here can be pretty
rough), I’m at 18-20psi on 700x60 tires.
Get some
:
> If I stay seated & spin (long stays) I do not spin out on steep / slightly
> rocky climbs. Stand up & you are done. I never stand.:)
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 7, 2024, at 6:12 PM, Hoch in ut wrote:
>
> Keith, I’m assuming you’re in the western Wyoming
Keith, I’m assuming you’re in the western Wyoming area?
I actually bought a Jabberwocky back in 2010 or so. To test out the Wet Cat
geo.
Bike rode nice but it wasn’t for me. Ironically, I thought it excelled on
the descents. Climbing, due to the long chainstays, did not fare so well.
Note
What I’m reading is that most of you concur that Grant is not right all the
time (with regards to bike design). Big companies are not right all the
time. He’s right some of the time, as are the big companies. Answer, as
always, is somewhere in the middle.
It’s a good time to be a cyclist
apillars were "transitional"
> ("medium?" between the older [long then, short now] ones and the newer ones
> [super duper long])?
>
> FINALLY: how long is long enough for all the beneficial characteristics
> that long bikes give? Does anyone think Riv will come out wi
track.
>
> Last thought: I have several older more-traditional rivendell models,
> with short stays and near-level top tubes. I'm so accustomed to them after
> years of adjustments that they are good enough and I have no reason to ever
> upgrade. But they look dated to my eye - not &q
Who’s doing long chainstays other than Jones?
For MTB, it doesn’t work for me. I was getting hung up like crazy.
Switchbacks and tight turns were a chore. Up and down techy Boulder
sections, the bash guard was getting a workout. Stopped me dead in my
tracks a few times.
On Wednesday, March
I’m not a fan of long chainstays, either, FOR MY TYPE OF RIDING.
When I’m cruising around on bike paths and paved roads, long chainstays are
fine. For everything else, I much prefer the typical 430-440mm chainstays,
like the older Rivendells.
I sold my old Hunqapillar and bought a Clem. And
ots-Willsen.
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 5:48:43 PM UTC-8 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> I agree with Richard. Although both would serve your needs, if there is
>> any chance you’ll ride some singletrack, I’d wholeheartedly get the suze.
>> 2.6” tires with that long w
I agree with Richard. Although both would serve your needs, if there is any
chance you’ll ride some singletrack, I’d wholeheartedly get the suze. 2.6”
tires with that long wheelbase is a riot.
Caveat is I only have a 6 mile round trip commute. And grocery is 6 mile
trip. So any bike works. If
26” will be
> nearly the same. Probably easier to score, too.
>
> I’m 5’8” with a 83 PBH, and riding a 54.5 Atlantis. Could just as easily
> ride a 56cm.
>
> - Brian
>
> On Feb 5, 2024, at 10:26 PM, Hoch in ut wrote:
>
> Looking for an All Rounder. Not sur
Looking for an All Rounder. Not sure what the sizing was, but my PBH is
83.3cm at 5’11”.
I’ll most likely equip it with moustache or similar “sporty” bars.
Please let me know if you have one available.
I may be talked into a pre-MIT Atlantis or Hunqapillar. Thanks.
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Searching for an Atlantis (before the long chainstays) or a Hunqapillar for
29” wheels. In size 54cm or so (could fit 56 or 57 as well).
I had a 54cm Hunq a few years ago and foolishly sold it. Thanks.
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I’m interested in the Yves Gonez. My wife has a Betty and I’ve always
wanted a counterpart.
Anyone know what the max tire clearance is on the Gomez? Is it 700 or 650b?
On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 9:37:16 AM UTC-7 wpes...@gmail.com wrote:
> I am selling both bikes which we purchased in
How long is your commute? Mine is pretty short. 3 miles. So I’ve used
various bikes, including an Ogre. Ride quality doesn’t matter so much, as
I’m on the bike for 10-15 minutes.
If it’s longer, it depends on your risk appetite. I don’t use any of my
nice bikes due to reason above but also
Hope you guys get yours quick. I put in an order for another item a month
ago at tradeinn and it still hasn’t shown up.
On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 3:46:44 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
> Thanks, I grabbed one. My wife ordered one with her Platy, that has yet to
> ship, and it got me wanting
you
>>>> may
>>>> not be able to get the seat back where you want. Thankfully they do both
>>>> use a 27.2 post though.
>>>>
>>>> Note, the Platy isn't a step through either so all three compared to a
>>>> Clem are more like s
I don’t know about the Platypus, but my wife rides a Betty Foy. It rides
ligh/zippy and she loves it. Currently has a Wald 137 front basket and a
Riv trunk bag.
They’re a bit hard to come by but Cheviot was essentially the same bike.
Tires are 650b x 38 with fenders. Not sure I’d go larger.
A good all-around tire is the Maxxis Ikon in 26 x 2.2. Rolls pretty fast
and has decent grip. I love it for XC rides. I put a pair on a 90’s
Stumpjumper a couple of years ago. Great tire. Not that expensive, either.
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 9:59:55 AM UTC-6 Bones wrote:
> I recently
Good advices above. On my SS mountain bike, I run about 51gi. About 5-700’
climbing per mile around here. More gravel SS, I ran closer to 60gi.
I do love fixed offroad.
If you haven’t visited this site, it’s excellent read.
http://www.63xc.com
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 8:38:07 PM
You can actually print out the templates, take pictures of your feet on
them and send it to Bedrock and they’ll tell you which would be the best
fit. Sometimes it’s hard to tell how much room you need to get a perfect
fit. They were very helpful.
I usually wear a size 10, but had to get size
I’m assuming this is a 64cm frame.
Best wishes to the sale and more importantly, your health.
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:44:31 PM UTC-6 eclec...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi,
> I had a Clem Smith, Jr built at RBW in Walnut Creek about 1 1/2 years ago.
> Shortly after the purchase I had surgery
Honestly, cargo bikes are nice but they’re pretty spendy and take up a lot
of space.
I sold my cargo/kid specific bikes and got a trailer. Chariot is excellent.
Kids are safe, surrounded by a cage. Also weatherproof weather rain, sun,
cold, etc. Best part is you can hook it up to your
2023 at 9:57:41 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Valerie,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The description says it was built in Japan, so Toyo origin. It would
>>>>>> have come with 26" wheels; must be a conversion.
>
SOLD
On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 8:57:58 AM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:
> [image: IMG_1705.jpeg][image: IMG_1704.jpeg][image: IMG_1703.jpeg][image:
> IMG_1702.jpeg][image: IMG_1701.jpeg]Nitto Bullmoose bars in great shape.
> Fillet brazed version. Little bit of bar residue. About
Toyo Atlantis size 53. 650b with dynamo (F). This looks like a fantastic
deal. I have no relation to the seller. Just happen to see it.
https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/72037052
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:17:54 PM UTC-6 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:
> 64cm top tube on that Clem, but
impacted? What would impact the saddle to BB alignment is a
>> difference in seat tube angle.
>>
>> Have you compared the bike geometries on Bike Insights?
>> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=646ed3ba6c60a90021cb6aa5,,
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 9:
Ted, are you setting up the Appaloosa with dropbars or flat bars?
On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 6:09:50 PM UTC-6 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
> Long rambling post ahead, but bear with me...
>
> Folks, I'm stressing about this way more than is probably necessary but
> I've been pining for an
ntains - after all Jan Heine prefers centerpulls over other types of
>> brakes for his wet, mountain pass-heavy and mixed surface riding.
>>
>> On Wednesday, 26 April 2023 at 01:27:52 UTC-7 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>
>>> I’m window shopping for the next project and w
, April 26, 2023 at 8:05:03 AM UTC-6 Ted Durant wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 3:27:52 AM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
> Those of you with Homers, how have you liked or disliked the brakes? Do
> the 559’s give you adequate performance to descend with confidence? One
> thing
I’m window shopping for the next project and was interested in the Homer.
Great looking frame. My only concern is the brakes. I live in a pretty
mountainous area. Meaning plenty of long, fast descents.
Those of you with Homers, how have you liked or disliked the brakes? Do the
559’s give you
PMed you
On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 8:35:34 AM UTC-6 jeffbog...@hotmail.com
wrote:
> Great shape, includes double struts for a more rigid mount. $125
> Please send PM for interest, thanks for looking.
>
> Jeff
> (Alabama)
>
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Instead of switching out the bars, I’d experiment on a ride by grabbing the
more forward part of the handlebars. If that alleviates the issue, then I’d
even say a longer stem might do the trick. Then I’d go to bars. Just a
thought.
On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 7:12:44 AM UTC-6
Anyone have any details on the Appaloosa’s that’s supposed to go on sale in
June? Geometry or color details?
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>
>
> On Apr 19, 2023, at 6:23 PM, Hoch in ut wrote:
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> Would prefer a frameset but will consider a complete as well.
>
> Thanks.
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Would prefer a frameset but will consider a complete as well.
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As low as possible without pinch flatting. Usually that means 20-21psi
(2.2-2.4” tires)) for me at 160lbs. Lots of rocks and sharp edges where I
ride.
On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 1:12:35 PM UTC-6 jwhit...@gmail.com wrote:
> For what it's worth I usually pump my 55mm Fleecer ridges to 18psi
My wife loves hers as well. Looks like a very nicely kept bike at a superb
price! This shouldn’t last long.
On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 10:19:02 AM UTC-6 Steve Cole wrote:
> I'm selling my wife's Betty Foy. She was the second owner. As you will
> see from the attached photos, it was very
If you’re referring to my bars, please send me a private message. Thanks.
On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 5:33:23 AM UTC-6 Andrew Huston wrote:
> I’m definitely interested in your bars.
>
> On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 9:11:21 PM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>>
>> I have one
I have one in silver. Brand new. I purchased it new and was waiting for a
frame to come along. I wouldn’t mind keeping it but I could be talked into
letting it go as I don’t see getting a new frame anytime soon. I’d like to
get what I initially paid ($130) plus shipping. (I paid shipping/taxes
My main mountain bike is a singlespeed so I know what you mean by standing
and mashing. For bikes with swept back bars, it just doesn’t work for me to
do that.
When I had the Clem on steep dirt roads, I sit and spin.
First reason, as you stated, bars are too close to your legs. It feels very
“Shipped” price means the seller will pay for shipping. “Net” means the
buyer pays for fees if applicable (ie PayPal fees). This is an excellent
price. Last time i shipped bars, i think it was $25 or $30.
On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 10:17:03 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
> Am I
Hi Johnny, yes, I’d like to pick one up. I know they’re pretty rare though!
On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 7:58:23 AM UTC-7 johnny@gmail.com wrote:
> Hoch you thinking of getting one or did you find a 58 and wondering if
> it'll fit? It took me a few years to find mine so if you find one in
Thank you, Johnny!
On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 11:09:16 AM UTC-7 johnny@gmail.com wrote:
> I measure it to be right at 22 1/2". That's center of bb to top of top
> tube.
>
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Hi, some great looking Hunq’s. Can someone with a 58 please measure the
seat tube length? Center to Top of the seat tube? Thank you!
On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 4:05:16 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
> Johnny,
>
> No, no real structural reason for the change, just an aesthetic decision.
>
Bike has been sold. Thanks.
On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 10:40:31 AM UTC-7 Hoch in ut wrote:
> Almost new Crust Romanceur in 58cm size (large). I bought the frame new
> over last summer and built it up. But it only has 30 miles on it, as it’s
> one of (too?) many bikes I have.
Almost new Crust Romanceur in 58cm size (large). I bought the frame new
over last summer and built it up. But it only has 30 miles on it, as it’s
one of (too?) many bikes I have.
It’s a great riding bike but I will be moving and need to cut down the
collection.
Build specs (some components
You don’t need a recessed nut. Just go down to your local hardware store
and get a bolt long enough with a nylock nut. And a couple of washers.
Should cost you less than $5. I’d get stainless as well.
On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 2:48:34 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
> Hi,
>
> You
For reference, I built a Pugsley years ago with White Industries cranks and
custom BB. The narrowest I could get the Q factor was 183mm. That is with
about 2-3mm crank clearance. Much narrower than stock but definitely
nowhere close to 160.
On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 10:48:43 AM UTC-7
I’ve owned a number of fat bikes. One I thought was the most Riv-esque was
the Ritchey Commando. I don’t think they make them anymore. But you may be
able to find a used one. They rode fantastic. Chainstays were relatively
long.
Regarding chainstays, it was just fine in snow. Mike C’s point
I had a green one. 700c. Clearance and wheelbase appeared to be essentially
the same. I couldn’t fit anything bigger than Thunder Burt’s.
On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 5:37:40 PM UTC-7 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:
> What are the differences between Hunqapillar generations? I have a July
>
I’ve run both Ehline 2.5” and Honcho 2.6” on Cliffhanger rims. Both
measured just about true to indicated. Zero issues setting up tubeless. I’d
go with Cliffhangers, personally.
I actually have an almost brand new set of 29” Cliffhanger wheels, laced to
SON28 and Bitex rear (100/135). I wish
arent and kid to have the wonderful experience my daughter and I
> had for the couple years she fit the Yepp seat, so if there's a
> more-or-less drop-in replacement out there, I want to know about it.
>
> Paul
>
> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:59:34 AM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>
I believe the Rosco uses Clem forks, so I’m assuming the front end is
similar, if not the same. Rivendell told me that they also use the same
front end on the Gus, Susie, Atlantis so they should all ride very similar.
Unless you just want a new bike to get a new bike (nothing wrong with
Looks like you’re all sorted, but if you wanted to use your current bell,
seems like a fairly easy DIY process. And a chance for another excellent
video from you
https://youtu.be/9P6SPTVJwJU
On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 6:19:26 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks to all who
Ah, one bike topic—winter time must be upon us.
I’m also fortunate to have a bike for almost every purpose. But if I had to
choose one, it wouldn’t be a Rivendell. Unfortunately, there is no lighter
tubed, traditional Diamond frame bike with ~2.2” clearance available.
I currently ride a
ve a large Susie, and I'm running Rene Herse
>>>>> tires, and I'm impressed with the responsiveness. It's very plush! Kind
>>>>> of
>>>>> wish I'd gotten the Gus, just because I've packed on some weight and
>>>>> there's a small dr
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>
> What bars are you running on the Romanceur? I was about to start a
> similar thread looking for advice and one of my shortlist choices was the
> Romanceur..so curious about your set up.
> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 8:32:37 PM UTC-5 H
I’d agree Gus is not the right bike. Neither is a Clem. Riv rates them the
same, as far as durability.
There’s been some good suggestions already.
I’d offer a non-Riv option: Crust Romanceur. Light, lugged frame. 853
steel. 650b x 2.4” clearance. In my opinion, perfect for the ride that you
I’ve been running RH Untanum on my Romanceur. I’m not sure how aggressive
of a tire you’re looking for, But it had plenty of side knob traction on
some single track I rode. Lots of loose over hard. I’m not sure how rowdy
you get on the Clem, but these tires have been enough, or possibly too
l in seconds. No idea on a price for
>>>>> the frame/fork yet so who knows. Similar ugly as sin front dropouts as
>>>>> the
>>>>> Wombat is the only downside I could see from the teaser. Looks like
>>>>> something on a bike from Walmart. There is a p
I haven’t heard of the Ronnie aluminum ATB. Any details you can post? A
link?
On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 6:26:46 PM UTC-6 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
> The only conclusion I can come up with is N+1. I thought, maybe I’ll just
> sell my Susie, I absolutely love my Clem H. Had to take the Clem
My wife is 5’6” with a 79cm PBH and rides a 52.
Size is perfect with 110mm stem and Albatross bars. I’d say your wife would
fit on it just fine. Especially with a shorter stem and if needed, bars
that swept back more (ie Bosco).
Best of luck.
On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 1:00:06 PM UTC-6
gt;>
>> PM sent. Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Jan
>> San Francisco
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:17:48 AM UTC-7 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>
>>> Clem Smith Jr. in 59cm size. Rides great.
>>> No crashes, dings, dents, or scratches. Al
Wilbur knowing your budget or intended usage, I’d say for a bike like a
Sam, I’d get a local wheel builder to build up:
- Velocity Quill rims
- Bitex hubs, front and rear
This should cost around $600 usd. Great set up for pavement and gravel
riding.
I recently built up a heavier duty set up
I have a Clem L 59 and have fitted some 29x2.5” tires. (700x63mm). Coming
from the stock 45mm slicks, these fat tires have been amazing and made the
bike super fun. Even on pavement.
On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 4:44:11 PM UTC-6 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
> My understanding is it's a
Make sure a 3” tire will be enough for you. I’ve ridden deep sand in
southern Utah. 3” tires (Chupacabra and XR4) were ok. You’re still putting
out a ton of wattage to keep going, especially on climbs.
Nothing beats fat tires. 4” or bigger. Get yourself a fat bike with light
carbon rims and
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